Desai says there is still competition at nickel

crueltyabc · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 pm

I already gave up on Shelley during the pre-season and now I'm done with Christian. I'm ready to ask Vildor to play NB and bring in Burns as CB2 for the nickel package. I don't think it's an overreaction to week 1 - these guys didn't get it done this summer either.

Moriarty · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:35 pm

crueltyabc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 pm

I already gave up on Shelley during the pre-season and now I'm done with Christian. I'm ready to ask Vildor to play NB and bring in Burns as CB2 for the nickel package. I don't think it's an overreaction to week 1 - these guys didn't get it done this summer either.

Forget nickel package, I don't know why they're not going with Burns on the outside always and Vildor getting a shot at NB.
A tiny Day 3 corner just isn't a realistic starting candidate.

But if they want to burn a few games convincing themselves, I guess that's fine.
If they're actually trying to evaluate backups already (they aren't - just making a baffling first choice), I'd rather see DHC at FS and some Herbert at RB, though.

Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:48 pm

If the nickel spot was settled by Marquis Christian winning the job, decision makers on the coaching staff had no choice to but to un-settle that particular issue. Christian is a complete liability at corner.

Shelley probably won't fare much better.

IE · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:57 pm

I thought Shelley played OK towards the end of last year. Wonder if he is struggling with what Desai is wanting him to do?

Otis Day · Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:02 pm

Shelley was inactive for Game 1. That tells me pretty much all I want to know if he can't beat out Chrisitan. Hell, start pulling people off the street.

crueltyabc · Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:58 pm

Moriarty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:35 pm
crueltyabc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 pm

I already gave up on Shelley during the pre-season and now I'm done with Christian. I'm ready to ask Vildor to play NB and bring in Burns as CB2 for the nickel package. I don't think it's an overreaction to week 1 - these guys didn't get it done this summer either.
Forget nickel package, I don't know why they're not going with Burns on the outside always and Vildor getting a shot at NB.
A tiny Day 3 corner just isn't a realistic starting candidate.

But if they want to burn a few games convincing themselves, I guess that's fine.
If they're actually trying to evaluate backups already (they aren't - just making a baffling first choice), I'd rather see DHC at FS and some Herbert at RB, though.

People seem to think Vildor was ok in that game and I haven't watched all-22 so I'm not trying to deny it yet.

Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:55 am

Christian was ok in the preseason when the offenses weren't doing anything complex. He's a safety that has barely played at his designated position, let alone a new one.

dplank · Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am

They should’ve kept Trufant and played Vildor at nickel, but Bears

Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:43 am

dplank wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am but Bears

All the excuse anyone needs say anymore.

"XYZ was possible, but Bears" is evergreen.

IE · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:45 pm

UOK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:43 am
dplank wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am but Bears
All the excuse anyone needs say anymore.

"XYZ was possible, but Bears" is evergreen.

It is true. Today, you are a poet.

RichH55 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:02 pm

IE wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:57 pm I thought Shelley played OK towards the end of last year. Wonder if he is struggling with what Desai is wanting him to do?

I.E. Cover?

Boris13c · Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:26 pm

RichH55 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:02 pm
IE wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:57 pm I thought Shelley played OK towards the end of last year. Wonder if he is struggling with what Desai is wanting him to do?
I.E. Cover?

yeah ... and maybe tackle now and then

IE · Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:47 pm

He didn't even play. I mean seriously, Trolls.

Hero · Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:03 am

IE wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:47 pm He didn't even play. I mean seriously, Trolls.

Please explain. Name the trolls and what did the trolls say? Not saying you are wrong?

IE · Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:44 am

Hero wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:03 am
IE wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:47 pm He didn't even play. I mean seriously, Trolls.
Please explain. Name the trolls and what did the trolls say? Not saying you are wrong?

Apparently some people want Shelly to jump from the sidelines to knock a pass down or tackle a guy. But I'm pretty sure that's a penalty.

The Cooler King · Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:48 am

Well hopefully competition breeds improvement.

Right? Right?

IE · Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:51 am

The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:48 am Well hopefully competition breeds improvement.

Right? Right?

No - Sitting is what really improves a guy, apparently.

Otis Day · Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:38 am

RichH55 · Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:11 pm

IE wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:51 am
The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:48 am Well hopefully competition breeds improvement.

Right? Right?
No - Sitting is what really improves a guy, apparently.

3rd Corner and QB - dare I say it might be different in terms of what is needed

Apparently

Grizzled · Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:07 am

Read an article suggesting Ejax be moved to slot CB if his play doesn't improve and Bush take over his safety position.

RichH55 · Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:30 pm

Grizzled wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:07 am Read an article suggesting Ejax be moved to slot CB if his play doesn't improve and Bush take over his safety position.

Was it written by Brandon from Woodridge?

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:33 pm

Shelley was bad today. The nickel spot remains a concern.

The Cooler King · Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:45 pm

wab wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:33 pm Shelley was bad today. The nickel spot remains a concern.

At least the outside spots seem relatively answered. 15 more games to try and find an in house guy, but I suspect they'll be looking at FA solutions for 2022.

IE · Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:51 pm

The Cooler King wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:45 pm
wab wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:33 pm Shelley was bad today. The nickel spot remains a concern.
At least the outside spots seem relatively answered. 15 more games to try and find an in house guy, but I suspect they'll be looking at FA solutions for 2022.

He was pretty bad at times - it's no good when the announcers are using your name and saying "again....". Duke was a decent tackler but really was lost in coverage more times than is OK. He was not as bad as Skrine was last year - but we'll see once he's facing a Rodgers. You show that & they start picking on you. I'd still like to see DHC get a chance at NB. I kind of liked Roberson actually. It doesn't seem like Shelly's replacement level is very high - so no harm in experimenting.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:59 pm

wab wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:33 pm Shelley was bad today. The nickel spot remains a concern.

Like bad...bad, bad.

You know who's name is not getting called a lot? Vildor's. I'd have to go back and watch, but I think he's anchoring that 2nd CB position pretty well.

RichH55 · Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:01 pm

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:59 pm
wab wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:33 pm Shelley was bad today. The nickel spot remains a concern.
Like bad...bad, bad.

You know who's name is not getting called a lot? Vildor's. I'd have to go back and watch, but I think he's anchoring that 2nd CB position pretty well.

Very bad - it's a real problem

dplank · Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:36 pm

We should’ve signed Breeland this offseason - he was affordable and available. We’d be a lot better if Vildor was the nickel.

RichH55 · Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:19 am

dplank wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:36 pm We should’ve signed Breeland this offseason - he was affordable and available. We’d be a lot better if Vildor was the nickel.

They'd probably just pick on Breeland then

Offenses are picking the lowest hanging fruit against us

HisRoyalSweetness · Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:45 pm

Perhaps it's time they elevated Thomas Graham Jr from the Practice Squad. After all he was a 6th round pick who might have gone higher if he hadn't opted out of last year due to Covid concerns. I seem to recall a lot of talk about him being suited to playing nickel when he was drafted and quite a few articles about him being a potential draft steal. Didn't PFF have him ranked as one of their top 100 players in the draft? Anyway, given the absolutely dire performances of Christian and Shelley in the first two games would it hurt to call Graham up to the squad and give him a chance to show what he can do even if it isn't as the full time starter?

Moriarty · Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:51 pm

HisRoyalSweetness wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:45 pm Perhaps it's time they elevated Thomas Graham Jr from the Practice Squad. After all he was a 6th round pick who might have gone higher if he hadn't opted out of last year due to Covid concerns. I seem to recall a lot of talk about him being suited to playing nickel when he was drafted and quite a few articles about him being a potential draft steal. Didn't PFF have him ranked as one of their top 100 players in the draft? Anyway, given the absolutely dire performances of Christian and Shelley in the first two games would it hurt to call Graham up to the squad and give him a chance to show what he can do even if it isn't as the full time starter?

He got roasted in the preseason, I believe.