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Regarding Cohen, I think Loggains knows that when Cohen is on the field, the defense also knows the ball will be going to him. Let's be honest, the pitches outside worked very early in the season but they stopped about the 3rd or 4th game. News flash, this kid can run inside zone too! He is very effective off tackle. Plus, I also feel the biggest issue that isn't being addressed here is the lack of play building. This offense simply doesn't build off of what they set up. Against the pukers, Loggains used Cohen as a decoy, he had some confusion going but then failed to actually give him the ball to show the defense he's not just a bluff. Also they've pounded the rock with Howard but how often do we see play action built off of all those hand offs? How about naked boots? Now I understand that when you get behind the sticks, down and distance becomes a factor limiting which plays are called. Which leads us to the next problem, gaining plus yardage on 1st down. I feel this is where Cohen could be most effective. Lining him up outside on a bubble will create a mismatch, this type of play is safe and is two fold. It shows the defense we will throw on first down and it allows the offense a good opportunity for plus yardage on first down. Once the offense systematically loosens the box, the real MVP (Howard) of this offense can then take over. Remember the games he used to break at least two 20 plus yarders a game?? This kid is also good in space!

docc wrote:

Nice shot there docc. Got yourself a Fox

6 more weeks of this. I think I can last.

I am starting to suspect the Fox is really doing Andy Kaufman type performance art. Conner Barth was in on it. Fox's challenge flag is in on it too.

I'm starting to think McDaniels is the best man for the job... sounds like his failures have humbled him, but nobody can deny his play-calling and in-game adjustments as a coordinator. Pairing him with McCoy would give him a familiar voice and someone else with head coaching experience. Curious what he would want to do defensively... but if you want to follow that New Orleans blueprint with Sean Payton... McDaniels IMO is the best fit.

What other choices does he have if he wants a gig this year?

Cleveland is a shit-show and I'm not convinced Jackson is gone.
San Francisco is committed to Shanahan.
NY Giants perhaps if McAdoo is whacked... still they have no QB (Eli is old)
Denver seems committed to Vance, and Elway isn't giving up any control
Indy could be a fit, but would Ballard want to give up final say?

etc.

I would be ecstatic for McDaniels.

G08 wrote:I'm starting to think McDaniels is the best man for the job... sounds like his failures have humbled him, but nobody can deny his play-calling and in-game adjustments as a coordinator. Pairing him with McCoy would give him a familiar voice and someone else with head coaching experience. Curious what he would want to do defensively... but if you want to follow that New Orleans blueprint with Sean Payton... McDaniels IMO is the best fit.

What other choices does he have if he wants a gig this year?

Cleveland is a shit-show and I'm not convinced Jackson is gone.
San Francisco is committed to Shanahan.
NY Giants perhaps if McAdoo is whacked... still they have no QB (Eli is old)
Denver seems committed to Vance, and Elway isn't giving up any control
Indy could be a fit, but would Ballard want to give up final say?

etc.

I think McDaniels is a great coordinator. I also think he has an inherent personality flaw that makes him a poor head coaching candidate. He can say he’s a new man and all, but from what I’ve read aboot him in Denver, the shit he pulled was just him being him.

What are you talking aboot?

Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.

Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)

Not listening to coordinators, at all.

Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.

Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.

So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?

What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.

southdakbearfan wrote:Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.

Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)

Not listening to coordinators, at all.

Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.

Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.

So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?

What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.

I read a piece by Dan Pompei regarding Josh McDaniels and I came away from it more impressed with the person than what I had known about him before (basically everything you said about him in Denver). I think he was a smug, egotistical little shit during those two years in Denver and I think he was humbled greatly. He seems to carry a sense of faith more closely now in his life, he has made notes/corrections to listen to everyone in his coaching staff and plans to make sure to not allow football to burn him out like it did in Denver.

I think spending 9 years around the greatest coach in NFL history can only be a positive, but the caveat would be that McDaniels would need to know he isn't Bill Belichick and he can't run a team entirely the same way that Belichick has done in his career. I think he knows football, I think he knows how to develop a QB, and of all these names I'm looking at I would have to think someone that has spent 9 years with Tom Brady should have *some* idea of what it takes to make a QB great. With a hard-working/impressionable kid like Mitch Trubisky, I think that could be gold.

southdakbearfan wrote:Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.

Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)

Not listening to coordinators, at all.

Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.

Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.

So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?

What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.

wonder if Pace thinks about any of this

Little McNapoleon as he was called..
In NE..with excellent talent HOF OB..TE..HC..and excellent cast..

Yeah he does well..
How about rookies and 2nd tiers like we have ? Yeah..plug in a QB in NE is QUITE different than what we'd have here..
In Denver her created a megalomaniac shit fest..

Rather see Fox get jetted and see Loggains for the rest of the years to see what he and Fangio are

McDaniels wants control..and last time the little penis just pissed his pants..
Just don't like the little shit..

But I could be wrong..

southdakbearfan wrote:Well, in Denver he supposedly did the following.

Screwing with players, berating them before he had seen them play/practice. (Cutler and others)

Not listening to coordinators, at all.

Wanting too much control then blaming others for personnel failures.

Then he went to St. Louis - as OC, and their offense stunk. Like 12 PPG stunk.

So, for those interested in McDaniels tell me why? Has he ever done anything without a HOF, possibly GOAT, at QB with consistency? Not that he has had a lot of chance but what OC has looked bad with Tom Brady running the show?

What coordinator of Bellicheats has done well in the NFL? Al Groh, Romeo Crenel, Jim Schwartz, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini nor McDaniels himself proved worth a crap when they got their own gigs in the NFL.

Not only that, he was also filming opponents practices. And who knows how this even formulated, but he traded away Peyton Hillis for trying to bang his wife. What kind of a dynamic has to be in the locker room for something like this to even occur???

I'm sorry, but anyone that wants Josh McDaniels to be the next head coach of the Bears???
Needs to be both spayed and neutered.

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McD was getting crazy numbers outta Ryle fucking Ortong

Josh McDaniels - Just no. Too many character issues. Too many ethics questions.

botfly10 wrote:McD was getting crazy numbers outta Ryle fucking Ortong

Yeah, and after those two games were over Orton sucked again

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MoFugger wrote:

botfly10 wrote:McD was getting crazy numbers outta Ryle fucking Ortong

Yeah, and after those two games were over Orton sucked again

hey man - respect the Neckbeard!

Eh... I think people have the capacity to grow and change. Pace at least owes it to this organization to kick the tires on him and see what he thinks. Most 30 year olds barely have their own life in order, let alone tasked to manage a football team full of egos and attitudes.

I don't see any sure-fire names out there that will save our franchise, Nagy intrigues the hell out of me but from what I've gathered he's never been a head coach in any capacity and he's never called plays (maybe as a high school coach?) outside of playing QB in the Arena Football League and college.

Whoever the head coach is, I hope they bring in McCoy to be the OC. That guy is really sharp in that role, I don't care what happened in Denver.

The problem with any coach is how much power they are going to want to wield. Pace is going to hire anyone that makes him obsolete in the organization.

Adipost wrote:

G08 wrote:I'm starting to think McDaniels is the best man for the job... sounds like his failures have humbled him, but nobody can deny his play-calling and in-game adjustments as a coordinator. Pairing him with McCoy would give him a familiar voice and someone else with head coaching experience. Curious what he would want to do defensively... but if you want to follow that New Orleans blueprint with Sean Payton... McDaniels IMO is the best fit.

What other choices does he have if he wants a gig this year?

Cleveland is a shit-show and I'm not convinced Jackson is gone.
San Francisco is committed to Shanahan.
NY Giants perhaps if McAdoo is whacked... still they have no QB (Eli is old)
Denver seems committed to Vance, and Elway isn't giving up any control
Indy could be a fit, but would Ballard want to give up final say?

etc.

I think McDaniels is a great coordinator. I also think he has an inherent personality flaw that makes him a poor head coaching candidate. He can say he’s a new man and all, but from what I’ve read aboot him in Denver, the shit he pulled was just him being him.

This "inherent personality flaw" is a bit of a stretch in thinking. I'm not sure anyone on a message board is qualified enough to make a statement like that.

What is it with the Bears and their fans and their fascination with Broncos cast offs?

John Fox - look how that has turned out
Then McDaniels?!?!?!?
Now McCoy???

Elway clearly knew something about Foxy when he let him go in favour of Kubiak. I think Pace is starting to figure it out too.
The talk in Denver is that McCoy was let go partly because his playbook was unwieldy. Do we really want to inflict that on our offense? Let alone our franchise QB?
As for McDaniels I don't want him within a country mile of Halas Hall. My brother is a Broncos fan and he tells me that he totally dismantled a successful Denver team back then. The fact that he has since been successful in NE as OC with Brady at QB and Belichick at HC doesn't mean a jot. Heck, Foxy looked pretty good in Denver while he had Manning at QB. Did that translate into success in Chicago? Nope.
I would be seriously hacked off if the Bears replaced Foxy with McDaniels.

YOGABBA wrote:This "inherent personality flaw" is a bit of a stretch in thinking. I'm not sure anyone on a message board is qualified enough to make a statement like that.

There's an old saying, "A crooked tree doesn't suddenly grow straight." He is who he is. There are plenty of coaches out there that make fantastic coordinators, but shitty head coaches.

Just stopped by to say Fuck John Fox.

britbear wrote:What is it with the Bears and their fans and their fascination with Broncos cast offs?

John Fox - look how that has turned out
Then McDaniels?!?!?!?
Now McCoy???

Elway clearly knew something about Foxy when he let him go in favour of Kubiak. I think Pace is starting to figure it out too.
The talk in Denver is that McCoy was let go partly because his playbook was unwieldy. Do we really want to inflict that on our offense? Let alone our franchise QB?
As for McDaniels I don't want him within a country mile of Halas Hall. My brother is a Broncos fan and he tells me that he totally dismantled a successful Denver team back then. The fact that he has since been successful in NE as OC with Brady at QB and Belichick at HC doesn't mean a jot. Heck, Foxy looked pretty good in Denver while he had Manning at QB. Did that translate into success in Chicago? Nope.
I would be seriously hacked off if the Bears replaced Foxy with McDaniels.

I am about to get on a plane, fly to whatever god-forsaken piece of Earth you live on, and buy you a beer!
If you are not the voice of reason,Then, there is no voice

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britbear wrote:What is it with the Bears and their fans and their fascination with Broncos cast offs?

John Fox - look how that has turned out
Then McDaniels?!?!?!?
Now McCoy???

Elway clearly knew something about Foxy when he let him go in favour of Kubiak. I think Pace is starting to figure it out too.
The talk in Denver is that McCoy was let go partly because his playbook was unwieldy. Do we really want to inflict that on our offense? Let alone our franchise QB?
As for McDaniels I don't want him within a country mile of Halas Hall. My brother is a Broncos fan and he tells me that he totally dismantled a successful Denver team back then. The fact that he has since been successful in NE as OC with Brady at QB and Belichick at HC doesn't mean a jot. Heck, Foxy looked pretty good in Denver while he had Manning at QB. Did that translate into success in Chicago? Nope.
I would be seriously hacked off if the Bears replaced Foxy with McDaniels.

Must be the blue and orange...

Joke aside, McDaniels is poised to become a HC. I don't think we can honestly judge what he will do when that day comes by what he did some 7 years ago in Denver. He wasn't ready to be a HC at the time, he was in his early 30's. He had only been a QB coach for 2 years and then and OC for 2 years before he got his first HC job. I truly think he is now ready and will be a good HC for some team. I love his system, QB/WR/TE friendly and is very productive. Trubisky comes across to me as a sponge, McDaniel has enough water for that sponge to soak up.

BTW, Foxy didn't look that great in Denver and is why Elway ultimately let him go. He definitely was needed in the Bears rebuild, he has done a great job in that aspect. The Bears now need to keep building for the future and that just isn't Fox' forte.

Side note, I'm not for McCoy in any fashion, OC or HC.

All the "talking heads" are pimping McDaniels as the top HC candidate out there. I guess Bill Belichick gave him a 5 page paper on what it takes to build a winning franchise and organization... McDaniels calls it his bible... didn't really help him his first go-round but maybe it will the second time.

I don't know. I've never met the guy but he sounded like a Grade-A Douche-nozzle in Denver. Pompei's article makes it seem like he has grown, but none of us will really know that.

I don't think any coach should have sole control over personnel, but I do think their input should be heavily valued by the GM, which is how I believe Ryan Pace operates. He's a consensus builder and by all accounts someone who is very easy to get along with in his role.

I hope he interviews McDaniels and they go from there... he is probably the closest thing to Sean Payton that Ryan Pace is going to find. Michael Lombardi raves about him, as does Louis Riddick. Listen to this clip from Waddle and Silvy:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/chicago/play?id=21508057" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Start at 19:00)

• Scouting background so he knows strengths/weakness of players
  Utilizes that to formulate game plans and how to pick on certain personnel
  Can teach QBs how to not only read defenses but know their weakness and how to exploit them