UPDATE: Future Head Coaching Options Discussion

[Mikefive]

I'm not buying anything regarding to McDaniels until he's standing at the podium with a Bears hat on, if only for my own sanity.

That's how I feel too.

When I ranked the candidates, I said Flip scared me. And he does. But not because he has the big black splotch on his resume like McD does. Everything on Flips resume is good... Energetic teacher and motivator with great personality... History of success with young QBs... Last guy out of the building... It's just that some things are missing that make me nervous. It'll be easy to get behind Flip with hope. I'd get behind McDaniels too. But I'd be waiting for bad stuff to happen.

[IotaNet]

if george mccaskey looked like george wendt we would never have to have this discussion.

Hey dere -- whaddaya mean? Would you be insinuating something about a certain kind of food? Da kind dat goes with spaghettis???

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[Otis Day]

From an SI article dated 1/2/18:

Will that be this year? When McDaniels says he’ll only leave for the right opportunity, that means he will not take a job unless two things are in place: 1) a quarterback he likes, or the opportunity to draft one; and 2) a good partner as GM. As far as the first criterion goes, the Bears have Mitchell Trubisky, last year’s No. 2 pick; the Colts have Andrew Luck, though the true status of the shoulder injury that kept him out all season is an important consideration; and the Giants have the No. 2 pick in this year's draft, with which they could draft their next potential franchise quarterback to succeed Eli Manning.

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[G08]

From an SI article dated 1/2/18:

Will that be this year? When McDaniels says he’ll only leave for the right opportunity, that means he will not take a job unless two things are in place: 1) a quarterback he likes, or the opportunity to draft one; and 2) a good partner as GM. As far as the first criterion goes, the Bears have Mitchell Trubisky, last year’s No. 2 pick; the Colts have Andrew Luck, though the true status of the shoulder injury that kept him out all season is an important consideration; and the Giants have the No. 2 pick in this year's draft, with which they could draft their next potential franchise quarterback to succeed Eli Manning.

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Adding on:

One player who has worked with McDaniels in New England calls him “the biggest extension of Bill Belichick.” He’s as detail-oriented as Belichick, has shown his creativity in making the most of the Patriots’ rotating cast of offensive skill-position players and, while Tom Brady served his Deflategate suspension during the first four games of the 2016 season, proved he can win games with quarterbacks not named Brady.

[Boris13c]

I just have the gut feeling McDaniels would choose the Colts over the Bears because of the implication he would have more control there ... and I'm ok with that

I think Shurmur is the safest option who could legitimately be Trubisky's mentor ... and once the Saints beat the crap out of the Vikings this weekend, he will be available

[wab]

Shurmur/Flip are my top wants. Nagy is my fallback. Fangio is my plan C.

[Funkster]

Out of curiosity - has anyone heard of any possible DC's attached to McDaniels? One of the things I worry about with a McD hire is that the incest is so prevalent over there that I don't know how many connections outside of NE McDaniels might have.

I asked this same question back on page 80. I can't remember who said it but I read some tweets yesterday that said McDaniels could put together a top staff easily.

If he is willing to keep Fangio, I think this is a no brainer. He would have to be the #1 candidate on the list. With candidates becoming available to sign, I'm thinking we'll actually get a glimpse who really is in the hunt and who is just smoke and mirrors.

[wab]

Out of curiosity - has anyone heard of any possible DC's attached to McDaniels? One of the things I worry about with a McD hire is that the incest is so prevalent over there that I don't know how many connections outside of NE McDaniels might have.

Eric Mangini is floating out there somewhere in the ether... blah.

[G08]

Matt Nagy!

[Boris13c]

guess this thread has run its course

I'm honestly surprised the move came so soon

[wab]

I'm just glad it was one of the three guys I was hoping it would be. Now he needs to keep Fangio and bring Eric Bieniemy over and I'll sleep well.

[wab]

Sooooo...

Bears: Nagy
Raiders: Gruden

Then...
Lions: Patricia?
Colts: McDaniels?
Giants: Wilks?
Cards: Shurmur?

[thunderspirit]

I'd bet McDaniels goes to the Giants, leaving <insert name here> for the Colts. But otherwise I concur with wab's speculation above.

[IotaNet]

I'd bet McDaniels goes to the Giants, leaving <insert name here> for the Colts. But otherwise I concur with wab's speculation above.

Don't doubt McDaniels to NY -- he seems like an abrasive, NY kinda guy. What about Dave Toub to Indy? (Again -- looking at the Ballard connection)

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

In light of the post, I thought I would bump this back up to the top, so we could peruse our comments. It's always fun to look back on some of our perspectives.

[MoFugger]

I don't exactly have NFL teams knocking down my door ask my opinion. But I am pretty much Nagy or bust. Kubiak might be a step forward from where we are now, but I only see it as a baby step.

I was so wise. And kind of an asshole.

[The Marshall Plan]

Wow this was a trip down memory lane.

Going through my posts I pounded the table for Gary Kubiak pretty hard. I had Flip over Nagy too.

Glad to be very very wrong about what I wanted.

[Bad Flanders]

It's threads like this, and being able to revisit them, that makes us all better fans... makes us less hyperbolic and less reactionary... cause you can see it coming once you've looked back on one of these.

I need threads like this for old fights I've had with my wife! But then I do have her to remind me how wrong I've always been so I guess it's all a wash! LOL

[dplank]

The Bills offense is really struggling all the sudden. I hate to be reactionary and all, but I'm liking Kellen Moore more and more (no pun intended).

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Yeah. WTF happened to the Bills?!

[wab]

I've been pretty lukewarm on Daboll all along and this only further cements it. The Bills offense is waaaaaay too pass-centric and completely relies on Allen.

[Otis Day]

hell with it, give me Dave Toub. He can be head coach. He is not directing either side of the ball. His focus is on the team as a whole, clock management, all the other things game related.

The hot coordinators do not stay hot. Nagy was the hot coordinator......that didn't work out.

I want a guy who can lead the team, not one side of the ball.

[o-pus #40 in B major]

hell with it, give me Dave Toub. He can be head coach. He is not directing either side of the ball. His focus is on the team as a whole, clock management, all the other things game related.

The hot coordinators do not stay hot. Nagy was the hot coordinator......that didn't work out.

I want a guy who can lead the team, not one side of the ball.

You got my vote, Otis. Dave Toub is still in the game and he is well-known to the Bears.

[The Marshall Plan]

I don’t understand the Daboll love when they should be trying to get Ryan Day.

[southdakbearfan]

Harbaugh.

[Magnum_Ursus]

I liked this piece on him
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/11/09/b ... nfl-bears/

Pros:
Shows ability and willingness to adapt his scheme to his quarterback.
Willingness to try new things to put his players in positions to succeed.
Analytically driven play-caller with willingness to learn and evolve.
Development of Josh Allen from a talented but very raw QB to an All-Pro caliber passer.
Network to build a competent staff after 21 years of NFL coaching experience across multiple organizations.
Understanding of both offense and defense having played safety in college and coached on both sides of the football.
Proven himself to be an asset to multiple successful head coaches (Belichick, Saban, McDermott).

Cons:
Unproven as a motivator. Can he energize a locker room and navigate his team through adversity?
The Bill Belichick coaching tree has not shown a track record of success in the NFL. Has he learned enough when away from Belichick and Saban to not repeat the mistakes of their previous disciples?
His first two years in Buffalo were slow to show progress offensively. How long will it take with a new team to see results? Is this due to a complex system, trial and error, or a talent deficit?
Daboll had a quick rise through the coaching ranks, got knocked down, and was slow to get back to this point. After becoming a coordinator in 2009 at 32 years old, he bounced around a few spots before returning as a New England assistant. Will he need to fail before he succeeds more than others?

I'm still interested in him, but his interview and plan to move forward would be key -- his ability to adapt is big, the biggest question mark to me is his ability to lead, which is going to be a question for any first-time HC.

[wab]

Bowles is still my guy.

[IE]

I like Leftwich. It isn't just the success with Brady. Although Brady has raved about him (and he's younger than Brady). It is Arians' opinion, reliance on & promotion of him.

From wiki:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
On January 8, 2019, Leftwich was hired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as their offensive coordinator, reuniting with head coach Bruce Arians.[31] Arians, who was returning from retirement, said in an interview with ESPN that he "wouldn't have taken the job if it wasn't for general manager Jason Licht, and probably wouldn't have taken the job if Byron Leftwich wasn't available."[32]

After the 2020 regular season, Arians stated that he had delegated the offense to Leftwich, and expressed frustration that the coordinator was not interviewed by other NFL teams for a head coaching position.[33][34] At the end of that season, their second with Arians and Leftwich, the Buccaneers won Super Bowl LV.

Pre-Brady, Leftwich in his first year had the offense humming with Jameis (Byron didn't throw the INTs). JF1 is like a new & improved version of Winston ("now with ball protection and better decisions!"). I think he'd be really good with the Bears.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

I still like Kellen Moore but he is totally unproven.
The bears is not a place to learn how to be a HC.

We need someone who we know can do the job.

[wab]

I still like Kellen Moore but he is totally unproven.
The bears is not a place to learn how to be a HC.

We need someone who we know can do the job.

Yes. I'm generally not a fan of re-treads, but in this case I think the situation calls for it. That's why I like Bowles. Good coach that is respected by his players. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time in AZ.