I'm just crossing my fingers this more like hiring Bill Walsh than Gary Crowton.wab wrote:It's almost like the Bears have recognized the direction the league is heading and are hiring people accordingly. This is a very confusing time to be a fan...staleystarch wrote:Switching to a fast paced cutting edge offense is very unbears-like.
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Jesus I'm turning into the debbie downer aren't I? I'm not excited about anything. CAUTIOUSLY optimistic, but I've read this story before... Trestman's an offensive genius and is going to bring our offense into the 21st century, OMG look at those Alshon reverses that always go for 10+ yards! Ok he failed but John Fox just got ADAM FUCKING GASE! Did you see what he did in Denver!? He's going to bring our offense into the 21st century.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Honestly, its the Cubs all over again. Coaches, athletes, competitors want to win in a city that loves sports. No one wants to go to Jacksonville to win a Super Bowl, nobody gives a shit down there. Competitors want to go where, 1) the team has a rabid fan base, 2) haven't won in a long time. The Bears haven't won the SB in 32 years. Everyone coming here knows that they can be rock stars if they can pull it off. That Chicago will throw them an epic party that will last for weeks. I said it before. Watch what happens when FA opens. I bet we snag 3-4 big names, that want to be here.wab wrote:Hiestand left ND where he could have stayed for the rest of his life, and Helfrich turned down the Bruins OC job to come to the Bears. So, something must be working in Chicago right now.malk wrote:Where these guys being courted by anyone else? Super happy with the hires from what I read but by the same token it would seem odd that they weren't in demand?
If they were then it's another feather in the cap for Pace and Nagy. Maybe one feather each.
I'm just... I'm pumping the breaks until I actually see it in a meaningful game. It sucks, I hate it, and I genuinely am jealous of ya'll that are excited because that used to be me.
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Ha ha, it's weird because it's like you and I have switched places with this coaching change. I used to be all "eh, I guess we'll see" and you were all "wheeeeeeee!".G08 wrote:Jesus I'm turning into the debbie downer aren't I? I'm not excited about anything. CAUTIOUSLY optimistic, but I've read this story before... Trestman's an offensive genius and is going to bring our offense into the 21st century, OMG look at those Alshon reverses that always go for 10+ yards! Ok he failed but John Fox just got ADAM FUCKING GASE! Did you see what he did in Denver!? He's going to bring our offense into the 21st century.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Honestly, its the Cubs all over again. Coaches, athletes, competitors want to win in a city that loves sports. No one wants to go to Jacksonville to win a Super Bowl, nobody gives a shit down there. Competitors want to go where, 1) the team has a rabid fan base, 2) haven't won in a long time. The Bears haven't won the SB in 32 years. Everyone coming here knows that they can be rock stars if they can pull it off. That Chicago will throw them an epic party that will last for weeks. I said it before. Watch what happens when FA opens. I bet we snag 3-4 big names, that want to be here.wab wrote:Hiestand left ND where he could have stayed for the rest of his life, and Helfrich turned down the Bruins OC job to come to the Bears. So, something must be working in Chicago right now.malk wrote:Where these guys being courted by anyone else? Super happy with the hires from what I read but by the same token it would seem odd that they weren't in demand?
If they were then it's another feather in the cap for Pace and Nagy. Maybe one feather each.
I'm just... I'm pumping the breaks until I actually see it in a meaningful game. It sucks, I hate it, and I genuinely am jealous of ya'll that are excited because that used to be me.
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malk wrote:Where these guys being courted by anyone else? Super happy with the hires from what I read but by the same token it would seem odd that they weren't in demand?
If they were then it's another feather in the cap for Pace and Nagy. Maybe one feather each.
Who are you talking about?
Helfrich was being pursued by Arizona for the HC position and Texas for the OC position.
Hiestand was being pursued by (according to reports) 4 NFL teams.
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Sigh. I miss being "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee".wab wrote: Ha ha, it's weird because it's like you and I have switched places with this coaching change. I used to be all "eh, I guess we'll see" and you were all "wheeeeeeee!".
Lots of people on the radio saying the same shit, maybe the talkshow hosts will get me out of it.
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I will say. This transformation is not happening next year. I could see the Bears outperforming expectations next year, and maybe even earning a WC spot. But they are still 2-3 years away from real success.wab wrote:Ha ha, it's weird because it's like you and I have switched places with this coaching change. I used to be all "eh, I guess we'll see" and you were all "wheeeeeeee!".G08 wrote:Jesus I'm turning into the debbie downer aren't I? I'm not excited about anything. CAUTIOUSLY optimistic, but I've read this story before... Trestman's an offensive genius and is going to bring our offense into the 21st century, OMG look at those Alshon reverses that always go for 10+ yards! Ok he failed but John Fox just got ADAM FUCKING GASE! Did you see what he did in Denver!? He's going to bring our offense into the 21st century.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Honestly, its the Cubs all over again. Coaches, athletes, competitors want to win in a city that loves sports. No one wants to go to Jacksonville to win a Super Bowl, nobody gives a shit down there. Competitors want to go where, 1) the team has a rabid fan base, 2) haven't won in a long time. The Bears haven't won the SB in 32 years. Everyone coming here knows that they can be rock stars if they can pull it off. That Chicago will throw them an epic party that will last for weeks. I said it before. Watch what happens when FA opens. I bet we snag 3-4 big names, that want to be here.wab wrote:Hiestand left ND where he could have stayed for the rest of his life, and Helfrich turned down the Bruins OC job to come to the Bears. So, something must be working in Chicago right now.malk wrote:Where these guys being courted by anyone else? Super happy with the hires from what I read but by the same token it would seem odd that they weren't in demand?
If they were then it's another feather in the cap for Pace and Nagy. Maybe one feather each.
I'm just... I'm pumping the breaks until I actually see it in a meaningful game. It sucks, I hate it, and I genuinely am jealous of ya'll that are excited because that used to be me.
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Brad Childress said that the QB really doesn't hit his stride in this offense until year 3, 4, 5 of being in the same system. So we need to keep this in mind as well dudes.
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I'll use this quote to emphasize a different point.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote: ... Honestly, its the Cubs all over again. Coaches, athletes, competitors want to win in a city that loves sports. No one wants to go to Jacksonville to win a Super Bowl, nobody gives a shit down there ..
It's about the city and the excitement but it is also about winning and losing.
Jacksonville used to be seen as a wasteland -- a joke. A totally backwards franchise. (Remember when everyone was clamoring from them to sign Tebow just to get some excitement?
Fast forward to one season with Coughlin in place and now all of a sudden the Jags are flying high (even with an inept quarterback.) They're seen as tough, disciplined, and on the rise. As someone said, "Winning is a wonderful deodorant."
I am excited about the moves we're making -- they seem to be sensible, well tough-out, and forward thinking. The bottom line however, is that we need to see some results on the field next fall. If we can do that, none of the other stuff will matter.
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100% agree. But players and coaches are football smart way beyond our level. They know who the good coaches are. they hear the internal talk about the good GM's and the bad ones. The franchises that are headed in the right direction, and the ones that aren't. They also travel all over the US playing other teams, and see every fanbase out there. They see a half full Miami Dolphins stadium in September, and a rabid fanbase in November when its 25*, and Soldier Field is PACKED. They see all of that. All I'm saying is that when a team starts heading in the right direction, coaches and players know it. The FA period will be a big tell as to who is actually buying into this rebuild. Players want to win and win big. For the fame, the endorsements, the money. They will go where they think they have the best chance to get that, and all things being equal, they would rather do it in a city like Chicago than Jacksonville.IotaNet wrote:I'll use this quote to emphasize a different point.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote: ... Honestly, its the Cubs all over again. Coaches, athletes, competitors want to win in a city that loves sports. No one wants to go to Jacksonville to win a Super Bowl, nobody gives a shit down there ..
It's about the city and the excitement but it is also about winning and losing.
Jacksonville used to be seen as a wasteland -- a joke. A totally backwards franchise. (Remember when everyone was clamoring from them to sign Tebow just to get some excitement?
Fast forward to one season with Coughlin in place and now all of a sudden the Jags are flying high (even with an inept quarterback.) They're seen as tough, disciplined, and on the rise. As someone said, "Winning is a wonderful deodorant."
I am excited about the moves we're making -- they seem to be sensible, well tough-out, and forward thinking. The bottom line however, is that we need to see some results on the field next fall. If we can do that, none of the other stuff will matter.
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Lower expectations make good "better", and worse "not do bad".G08 wrote:Sigh. I miss being "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee".wab wrote: Ha ha, it's weird because it's like you and I have switched places with this coaching change. I used to be all "eh, I guess we'll see" and you were all "wheeeeeeee!".
Lots of people on the radio saying the same shit, maybe the talkshow hosts will get me out of it.
We do this every off-season. However I can give reasons why this won't work just as easily as I can why it will.
In the end Nagy could be fantastic, yet this team still needs a lot more talent.
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It genuinely feels different!Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I just...I love, love the hire. But...
I remember going through this enthusiasm in previous years, only to be let down and my heart trampled on. This feels different though. It feels like Pace and Nagy are putting together a young coaching staff, of talented teachers. It feels like they are moving forward with conviction. Was it like this in the past and I don't remember? Did it feel this way when Trestman was putting together his staff, or Fox his? Does it genuinely feel different this time? I think it feels different.
I wasn’t AT ALL excited about Trestman and, being that the Broncos are my second favorite team, I wasn’t AT ALL excited about Fox! I loathed the Fox hire because I didn’t feel a single win in Denver was attributed to him, they didn’t need him there, they needed a DC and had Manning. That’s it, he didn’t do anything and his record shouldn’t count...he stood there, Manning tossed TD’s, and when they actually needed a coach in the Super Bowl they got the man we’ve been looking at on the sidelines for 3 years getting out coached in every aspect, end of story.
The game has evolved and changed. As ridiculous as this sounds...these young coaches played Madden like the rest of the people their age when they were kids. This old mentality of these stupid unwritten rules where you take knees and “respect” your opponents so you don’t score are going away! The game has moved past that with these younger coaches. Look at LA, you hang 50 on your opponent whenever you can and you win the game. NE has been so successful because their HC has been playing by these “new rules” for 15 years now. The Patriots, whom I loathe, get a lead and then pile on points until the final whistle, just like we did to our buddy’s playing Madden when we were kids and into our adulthood. Nobody is given a chance to come back because they quit playing or went up by 14 in the 2nd quarter and tried to run the clock out for the remainder of the game.
The game passed Fox by...these new coaches are who passed him, and I for one, couldn’t be more excited.
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donkeykong wrote:It genuinely feels different!Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I just...I love, love the hire. But...
I remember going through this enthusiasm in previous years, only to be let down and my heart trampled on. This feels different though. It feels like Pace and Nagy are putting together a young coaching staff, of talented teachers. It feels like they are moving forward with conviction. Was it like this in the past and I don't remember? Did it feel this way when Trestman was putting together his staff, or Fox his? Does it genuinely feel different this time? I think it feels different.
I wasn’t AT ALL excited about Trestman and, being that the Broncos are my second favorite team, I wasn’t AT ALL excited about Fox! I loathed the Fox hire because I didn’t feel a single win in Denver was attributed to him, they didn’t need him there, they needed a DC and had Manning. That’s it, he didn’t do anything and his record shouldn’t count...he stood there, Manning tossed TD’s, and when they actually needed a coach in the Super Bowl they got the man we’ve been looking at on the sidelines for 3 years getting out coached in every aspect, end of story.
The game has evolved and changed. As ridiculous as this sounds...these young coaches played Madden like the rest of the people their age when they were kids. This old mentality of these stupid unwritten rules where you take knees and “respect” your opponents so you don’t score are going away! The game has moved past that with these younger coaches. Look at LA, you hang 50 on your opponent whenever you can and you win the game. NE has been so successful because their HC has been playing by these “new rules” for 15 years now. The Patriots, whom I loathe, get a lead and then pile on points until the final whistle, just like we did to our buddy’s playing Madden when we were kids and into our adulthood. Nobody is given a chance to come back because they quit playing or went up by 14 in the 2nd quarter and tried to run the clock out for the remainder of the game.
The game passed Fox by...these new coaches are who passed him, and I for one, couldn’t be more excited.
I share your gripes about Fox, but I have a different take about the "Pre-Madden era" and today's game.
Running up the score when you can do so is not a new game-day coaching strategy.
this----- when I was a kid I heard a very highly successful nfl head coach talking on TV: the coach (a major asshole) said he liked to get a couple touchdowns up and put another touchdown on top of it and another touchdown on top of that - only then would he maybe get a little conservative and play to eat up the clock - that was in the 1960's and it stuck since then with me as a very sound principle of game-day coaching that most of the truly "elite" coaches have followed. Obviously this would not include Coach Fox.
In my opinion its about making the other team feel like they're beaten so they just want to get it over with. Sure, it can be kind of boring in the 4Q against lesser opponents but its fun as shit when we smear the real asshole teams.
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Soooooooo
Considering Grasu was the starting C for Helfrich... are we to assume he's safe here? And that he might even be a starter?
Considering Grasu was the starting C for Helfrich... are we to assume he's safe here? And that he might even be a starter?
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Here in Tucson..It would have been AWESOME..UOK wrote:Hilfrich was also being courted by the AZ Wildcats to be their head coach.wab wrote:Hiestand left ND where he could have stayed for the rest of his life, and Helfrich turned down the Bruins OC job to come to the Bears. So, something must be working in Chicago right now.malk wrote:Where these guys being courted by anyone else? Super happy with the hires from what I read but by the same token it would seem odd that they weren't in demand?
If they were then it's another feather in the cap for Pace and Nagy. Maybe one feather each.
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Excellent question. My guess is that he sticks around for his contract year and they'll decide. Nagy did say that he'd review the tape of the current guys. I believe we've been using a zone blocking scheme, similar in some ways to what we'd expect from Nagy & Helfrich. That Grasu tape isn't going to say "starter".G08 wrote:Soooooooo
Considering Grasu was the starting C for Helfrich... are we to assume he's safe here? And that he might even be a starter?
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It’s not an excuse, it’s realistic.Adipost wrote:LOL. That excuse is not gonna fly.G08 wrote:Brad Childress said that the QB really doesn't hit his stride in this offense until year 3, 4, 5 of being in the same system. So we need to keep this in mind as well dudes.
Just because someone hits their stride doesn’t mean they played poorly before. It just means they “figure it all out” and it comes easier.
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Yep. It's reality... QBs hit their stride, typically, in year 3 of being in the same scheme.FaithInCutler wrote:It’s not an excuse, it’s realistic.Adipost wrote:LOL. That excuse is not gonna fly.G08 wrote:Brad Childress said that the QB really doesn't hit his stride in this offense until year 3, 4, 5 of being in the same system. So we need to keep this in mind as well dudes.
Just because someone hits their stride doesn’t mean they played poorly before. It just means they “figure it all out” and it comes easier.
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Or if your Dak Prescott by year three you’ve been well and truly found outG08 wrote:Yep. It's reality... QBs hit their stride, typically, in year 3 of being in the same scheme.FaithInCutler wrote:It’s not an excuse, it’s realistic.Adipost wrote:LOL. That excuse is not gonna fly.G08 wrote:Brad Childress said that the QB really doesn't hit his stride in this offense until year 3, 4, 5 of being in the same system. So we need to keep this in mind as well dudes.
Just because someone hits their stride doesn’t mean they played poorly before. It just means they “figure it all out” and it comes easier.
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Heard an interesting blurb on the radio about Helfrich failing at Oregon:
All his players loved him. ALL the players, they said he was the nicest guy in the world. He just didn't have that switch a head coach needs at times to demand respect from everyone and it ultimately was what did him in.
Here? I think this might work out very well... Trubisky is a respectful young man and I don't think he would need someone that is screaming and tearing into him.
All his players loved him. ALL the players, they said he was the nicest guy in the world. He just didn't have that switch a head coach needs at times to demand respect from everyone and it ultimately was what did him in.
Here? I think this might work out very well... Trubisky is a respectful young man and I don't think he would need someone that is screaming and tearing into him.
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I've read good things about him as well, but from my understanding, it was his recruiting that killed him as a HC. That's why they were still really good after Kelly left, but once Kelly's players were gone, Oregon went downhill quickly.G08 wrote:Heard an interesting blurb on the radio about Helfrich failing at Oregon:
All his players loved him. ALL the players, they said he was the nicest guy in the world. He just didn't have that switch a head coach needs at times to demand respect from everyone and it ultimately was what did him in.
Here? I think this might work out very well... Trubisky is a respectful young man and I don't think he would need someone that is screaming and tearing into him.
Overall, sounds like we don't need to worry about him leaving to be a HC. Doesn't sound like he's cut out for it.
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Bingo. Bring in new concepts and ideas, work with your coaching staff and your offense, and teach teach teach.sturf wrote:So he doesn't have to recruit. He doesn't have to lead the team or be the disciplinarian. He can just focus on teaching offensive football and game planning.
I like that he has head coaching experience, should help Nagy on gameday.
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I actually expect him to double as the QB Coach as well. He will be OC/QB Coach. No reason not to if he isn't calling plays.G08 wrote:Bingo. Bring in new concepts and ideas, work with your coaching staff and your offense, and teach teach teach.sturf wrote:So he doesn't have to recruit. He doesn't have to lead the team or be the disciplinarian. He can just focus on teaching offensive football and game planning.
I like that he has head coaching experience, should help Nagy on gameday.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I actually expect him to double as the QB Coach as well. He will be OC/QB Coach. No reason not to if he isn't calling plays.G08 wrote:Bingo. Bring in new concepts and ideas, work with your coaching staff and your offense, and teach teach teach.sturf wrote:So he doesn't have to recruit. He doesn't have to lead the team or be the disciplinarian. He can just focus on teaching offensive football and game planning.
I like that he has head coaching experience, should help Nagy on gameday.
Other than that this is the NFL and there isn't a limit on the number of coaches you can have on staff (like in college) and there isn't a salary cap for coaches contracts. Zero reason not to have a QB coach on staff.
I fully expect that Helfrich will be working with Trubisky - but even without game-day play-calling responsibilities Helfrich will have plenty on his plate and the Bears would be better served by having a dedicated QB coach in addition to Helfrich.
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There will be a body but Helfrich will be the lead QB coach you'd imagine.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I actually expect him to double as the QB Coach as well. He will be OC/QB Coach. No reason not to if he isn't calling plays.G08 wrote:Bingo. Bring in new concepts and ideas, work with your coaching staff and your offense, and teach teach teach.sturf wrote:So he doesn't have to recruit. He doesn't have to lead the team or be the disciplinarian. He can just focus on teaching offensive football and game planning.
I like that he has head coaching experience, should help Nagy on gameday.
Other than that this is the NFL and there isn't a limit on the number of coaches you can have on staff (like in college) and there isn't a salary cap for coaches contracts. Zero reason not to have a QB coach on staff.
I fully expect that Helfrich will be working with Trubisky - but even without game-day play-calling responsibilities Helfrich will have plenty on his plate and the Bears would be better served by having a dedicated QB coach in addition to Helfrich.
It kind of makes me thing we should stash a #3 QB as a coach just to rub it in the league's face after they denied Nagy his NFL game for that reason.
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“As far as Mark Helfrich, here’s a guy who’s been in the college world,” Nagy said. “It’s a little bit different than in the league. But I was really intrigued by the stuff that they do out there. I was intrigued talking to Mark; just some of our philosophies and him knowing what we do offensively and being able to kind of get to a point to where we can kind of mesh some things together and see how it works. So it’s been a really neat transition for him. It’s been great for me learning more about him and what they do and what they did at Oregon and his philosophy in his career, so I’m really looking forward to that.”
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It's Nagy's offense, dammit!! Just kidding and not directed at you. This is what I was intriqued by. The fact that Nagy chose Helfrich over all other candidates speaks to his offensive philosphy he wants to incorporate which will include many Kelly/Helfrich concepts blended into the WCO. I can't wait!!UOK wrote:“As far as Mark Helfrich, here’s a guy who’s been in the college world,” Nagy said. “It’s a little bit different than in the league. But I was really intrigued by the stuff that they do out there. I was intrigued talking to Mark; just some of our philosophies and him knowing what we do offensively and being able to kind of get to a point to where we can kind of mesh some things together and see how it works. So it’s been a really neat transition for him. It’s been great for me learning more about him and what they do and what they did at Oregon and his philosophy in his career, so I’m really looking forward to that.”
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Oooohhhh....this is what I wanted to hear. It makes me all tingly inside.UOK wrote:“As far as Mark Helfrich, here’s a guy who’s been in the college world,” Nagy said. “It’s a little bit different than in the league. But I was really intrigued by the stuff that they do out there. I was intrigued talking to Mark; just some of our philosophies and him knowing what we do offensively and being able to kind of get to a point to where we can kind of mesh some things together and see how it works. So it’s been a really neat transition for him. It’s been great for me learning more about him and what they do and what they did at Oregon and his philosophy in his career, so I’m really looking forward to that.”
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