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The Marshall Plan wrote:The playcalling with our backs to the goal line was dogshit.

This helmet rule is making the game unwatchable. Neither penalty should've been called. The tackle on Shaheen was clean and so was Fuller's hit.

I can only imagine Aaron Rodgers looking for the flag every play with that rule now.
I agree. Fuller hit with the shoulder. Complete BS. The roughing the passer penalty on Chubb was BS, too.

I will say that the snap on the play resulting in the safety wasn't perfect, but it was in no way bad. Chest high, just a little left. Biscuit has to catch that one.

Was nice to see Kevin White and Anthony Miller make a couple plays each.
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Why not leave Mitch in for the 2 minute drill?

M5....what’s up?
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it is apparent leblanc is to stupid to return punts. 2 now inside the 5 he's fielded.
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I may be being harsh but i cant wait until i no longer have to watch Timu's rat-tail jogging over to the spot where a play ends, because he was no where near it ,ever again.
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All I wanted out of this game was to see the first team offense come out and get into a good flow and rhythm, drive the field and score. With all the hype going around, I’m a bit disappointed. First team offense looked sloppy and the first team defense has zero pass rush. I sure hope this ain’t the team we get to watch during the regular season.
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No game planning..no Fangio stunts on D..vanilla offense... I watched every game this week..all teams looked somewhat similar..

No HC will tip their game planning..or risk much with the first string..
As usual..next (3rd real peeseason) will show more..

Just let's stay healthy and get this young team and first year head coach a chance to improve.. Not the same as we have been used to with patched up BS and already done FAs..
Minny had three carted and another three leave and not return.. We are not as deep or as experienced a team..

We'll see..i can't make a judgement..but I see things I like..and I am sure the coaches see what needs to improve..and compensated for with game planning..

Just roll up to Green Bay..with a full game plan..and do the job..
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Just watched the highlights, yeah its hard to get an overall impression of how well the team is going to play in the regular season. Most of the these guys won't be playing for the Bears come September.

I'm worried about the injuries to Shaheen and Floyd though.
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I am getting more worried about the offensive line every time I watch them play.
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I know this is preseason and we're only supposed to be seeing a fraction of either the offensive or defensive playbooks.

That being said....

1) The run blocking is awful.
2) The pass rush is awful.
3) Trey Burton seemingly can get open at will.
4) Anthony Miller has glue hands, but the routes they assign him are awful because they don't leverage his speed. Get him a slant route or something where he can catch the ball in stride.
5) Biscuit can't be a guy that does even money on TDs / INTs every game. That pick to Simmons was brutal.
6) The Kevin White situation frustrates me from multiple angles, but it was good to see him contribute.
7) The helmet and roughing the passer calls are very questionable. The game is going to be tough to watch this year.
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saljilael wrote:Why not leave Mitch in for the 2 minute drill?

M5....what’s up?
Good to see you man! :) How's grandma? :-P
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The Marshall Plan wrote: 5) Biscuit can't be a guy that does even money on TDs / INTs every game. That pick to Simmons was brutal.
6) The Kevin White situation frustrates me from multiple angles, but it was good to see him contribute.
7) The helmet and roughing the passer calls are very questionable. The game is going to be tough to watch this year.
5. On the interception, Biscuit was mad at Cohen and had a case. Cohen ran that circle route and ran right behind the defender, the worst place he could possibly be. As bad as the announcers were, I think they got that one right. Cohen has to get between the defender and the ball there and it's reasonable for the QB to expect that he's not going to go where he did. The route has to be run across the face or get significantly behind the defender on a dumpoff route.

6. Well said on White. Still... For a guy who played 3 quarters, he didn't do much.

7. I just keep yelling at my TV.

Did it seem weird to anyone else that Bullard and RRH were playing in the 4th quarter? A bad sign for them?
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bearsfaninaz wrote:it is apparent leblanc is to stupid to return punts. 2 now inside the 5 he's fielded.
That can be taught. But oi. He was bad.
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Is Mizzell a practice squad guy they bring in if Cohen goes down? He sure isn't a guy you want to hand off to.

Speaking of guys wearing 33, Tolliver does a lot of good things at CB. I don't think he makes the team, but definitely a practice squad/bring him back to camp next year guy.

I never heard of Kasim Edebali #57, but that guy is making plays against the Walmart guys. He did in earlier games too. He is catching onto things faster than Irving did last year. But he's only 6'2". :-(
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The Marshall Plan wrote:I know this is preseason and we're only supposed to be seeing a fraction of either the offensive or defensive playbooks.

That being said....

1) The run blocking is awful.
2) The pass rush is awful.
3) Trey Burton seemingly can get open at will.
4) Anthony Miller has glue hands, but the routes they assign him are awful because they don't leverage his speed. Get him a slant route or something where he can catch the ball in stride.
5) Biscuit can't be a guy that does even money on TDs / INTs every game. That pick to Simmons was brutal.
6) The Kevin White situation frustrates me from multiple angles, but it was good to see him contribute.
7) The helmet and roughing the passer calls are very questionable. The game is going to be tough to watch this year.

Pretty good honest assessment! Only thing I disagree with is #5. That sure looked like that interception was on Cohen to me.

Maybe next week we can get a true look into the future with some game planning and at least 10 scripted plays. I’m in desperate need of a successful season. I almost turned the game off after the first series.
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Yeah, that interception it sure looked like he expected Cohen to hook in and he sat down. I’m not sure who was right, but either way it’s something they need to get ironed out.
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Anyone else have Spectrum (Charter) and wake up to find they cut the game off with 5 left in the 1st?!? Worse cable company I've ever had this happened last year on the 3rd game where it only recorded 1 min of the game LOL.
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At this point I’m down to trade the farm for K.Mack and win some games. IMO, the only thing this defense is missing from being league leading is a solid pass rush!
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Agree on the int, I believe Cohen's route was unsatisfactory.

Turned the game off at the half, pre-season games are just too vanilla for me.

As for Mack, I would be very surprised if Pace "trades the farm" for Mack. Pace wants to build thru the draft and I don't see him trading picks and who on this roster can they deal at this point?
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Otis Day wrote:Agree on the int, I believe Cohen's route was unsatisfactory.

Turned the game off at the half, pre-season games are just too vanilla for me.

As for Mack, I would be very surprised if Pace "trades the farm" for Mack. Pace wants to build thru the draft and I don't see him trading picks and who on this roster can they deal at this point?

I agree on Pace, see my signature! I'm hopped up on sudafed trying to kick this nasty head cold so my thoughts are a bit cloudy. However, a solidified pass rusher like Mack is what this defense, better yet, team needs to be division contenders. No time like the present to build a monster defense when you have a QB on a rookie deal!
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It doesn't take much to convince me to trade for an elite player. I wanted the Bears to trade for Marcus Peters.

With Mack, and anybody else, it all depends on the cost and from what I've read online (take it for what its worth) we're looking at multiple picks similar to the Jared Allen trade. One first and two third round picks.

No way. Especially not with the new rules in the league. I'm not saying to avoid having a push rush period, but I'm not sure I want an elite guy that the refs might key in on. I could be totally wrong, but in the same way the big hit rules negated having a home run hitting safety I'm thinking a top tier pass rusher isn't something you want to tie up cap dollars on anymore. Yes, draft a guy, but I'm not sure about the position given the new rules.
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The Marshall Plan wrote:It doesn't take much to convince me to trade for an elite player. I wanted the Bears to trade for Marcus Peters.

With Mack, and anybody else, it all depends on the cost and from what I've read online (take it for what its worth) we're looking at multiple picks similar to the Jared Allen trade. One first and two third round picks.

No way. Especially not with the new rules in the league. I'm not saying to avoid having a push rush period, but I'm not sure I want an elite guy that the refs might key in on. I could be totally wrong, but in the same way the big hit rules negated having a home run hitting safety I'm thinking a top tier pass rusher isn't something you want to tie up cap dollars on anymore. Yes, draft a guy, but I'm not sure about the position given the new rules.

Good points.

I read somewhere that Mack hasn’t missed a single game in 3 season and has had double digit sacks each year. He very well could be the type of player that could be the finishing piece. The bears need to seize an opportunity like this, they don’t come around to often. The team has an oft injured Flyod, Lynch and a perennial back up (but fan/team favorite) in Acho as edge rushers. That doesn’t really scream confidence to me.

On the new helmet rule, do you think the league told the refs to over exaggerate the rule during pre season to set a precedent?
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bearsfaninaz wrote:it is apparent leblanc is to stupid to return punts. 2 now inside the 5 he's fielded.
That can be taught. But oi. He was bad.
I've known that since I played in middle School. If he doesn't know that by now he never will IMO.
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Mikefive wrote:Is Mizzell a practice squad guy they bring in if Cohen goes down? He sure isn't a guy you want to hand off to.

Speaking of guys wearing 33, Tolliver does a lot of good things at CB. I don't think he makes the team, but definitely a practice squad/bring him back to camp next year guy.

I never heard of Kasim Edebali #57, but that guy is making plays against the Walmart guys. He did in earlier games too. He is catching onto things faster than Irving did last year. But he's only 6'2". :-(
57 caught my eye yesterday not because of his sack, but because two plays in a row the LT had serious hold it straight out tackle of him that wasn't called. If he can get pressure consistently is worth keeping him around.
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Funkster wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:It doesn't take much to convince me to trade for an elite player. I wanted the Bears to trade for Marcus Peters.

With Mack, and anybody else, it all depends on the cost and from what I've read online (take it for what its worth) we're looking at multiple picks similar to the Jared Allen trade. One first and two third round picks.

No way. Especially not with the new rules in the league. I'm not saying to avoid having a push rush period, but I'm not sure I want an elite guy that the refs might key in on. I could be totally wrong, but in the same way the big hit rules negated having a home run hitting safety I'm thinking a top tier pass rusher isn't something you want to tie up cap dollars on anymore. Yes, draft a guy, but I'm not sure about the position given the new rules.

Good points.

I read somewhere that Mack hasn’t missed a single game in 3 season and has had double digit sacks each year. He very well could be the type of player that could be the finishing piece. The bears need to seize an opportunity like this, they don’t come around to often. The team has an oft injured Flyod, Lynch and a perennial back up (but fan/team favorite) in Acho as edge rushers. That doesn’t really scream confidence to me.

On the new helmet rule, do you think the league told the refs to over exaggerate the rule during pre season to set a precedent?
There is no denying Mack's talent or the impact he would have on the Bears. The "finishing piece" is a good choice of words in terms of cementing an elite defense. This defense definitely needs THAT GUY(S) who makes the offense shit themselves. I liked Peters for that reason and others. Mack easily serves that need. We can't count on a Top 10 defense every year that has no Pro Bowlers.

My concerns are the cost and the true value given the new rules the league has.

I hope you're 100% right that the refs are overly sensitive with that rule in the preseason. In fact, I heard a comment during the TV broadcast that the refs were encouraged to call that penalty so that they'd have tape to review before week 1 of the regular season.

If the circumstances were exactly the same, but we had the rules of 10 years ago, I could be easily convinced to trade for Mack.
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This comes up every time a talented player is rumored available.


You can pay top dollar for a guy
You can trade significant picks for a guy

But you DON'T DO BOTH
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Moriarty wrote:This comes up every time a talented player is rumored available.


You can pay top dollar for a guy
You can trade significant picks for a guy

But you DON'T DO BOTH
Isn't that how most trades are? You give up picks and take over the salary... Not every trade is like how Washington was helping out another team like Denver... That was a gift horse not the norm.

Giving up 2 1sts sucks at draft time but really for a proven pass rusher I would easily give up 2 because you're not guaranteed 2 1sts would net you someone that 'gets it' like Mack. Pass rush against Aaron Rodgers for instance... If he can get AR to think about the rush compared to the past 10 years of garbage he's seen on the Bears is worth every penny IMHO. We don't have that many holes to fill other than depth at this point and a great PR specialist. I'm so FN sick of watching that guy smile and have a good old time against us. Makes me sick as a fan of this team. Just my 2 cents... >.<

I find it hard to believe we would be in the position to draft Bosa for instance this year... And what we would have to give up to do so would be more than what is spent on Mack. PFF had both our starting tackles (the only other spot that's somewhat of a need) as being solid... Not spectacular but you could do a lot worse and even then how many Ts fail or become decent interior linemen out of college? Proven guys are worth the price at pass rush and QB... that's why they're the highest paid positions in the league.
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Knuckles wrote:
Moriarty wrote:This comes up every time a talented player is rumored available.


You can pay top dollar for a guy
You can trade significant picks for a guy

But you DON'T DO BOTH
Isn't that how most trades are? You give up picks and take over the salary... Not every trade is like how Washington was helping out another team like Denver... That was a gift horse not the norm.

Giving up 2 1sts sucks at draft time but really for a proven pass rusher I would easily give up 2 because you're not guaranteed 2 1sts would net you someone that 'gets it' like Mack. Pass rush against Aaron Rodgers for instance... If he can get AR to think about the rush compared to the past 10 years of garbage he's seen on the Bears is worth every penny IMHO. We don't have that many holes to fill other than depth at this point other than a great PR specialist. I'm so FN sick of watching that guy smile and have a good old time against us. Makes me sick as a fan of this team. Just my 2 cents... >.<

I find it hard to believe we would be in the position to draft Bosa for instance this year... And what we would have to give up to do so would be more than what is spent on Mack.

I’m right there with you! Give up a 1st for a potential stud or for solidified stud? The only reason I would even consider a Mack trade is the bears are stacked with young talent on relatively cheap contracts and the have plenty of cap to absorb Mack’s new contract. I think he would be the difference maker!
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I'm fine with trading picks. Let's be real, White is an injury bust, Floyd has been ok as a passrusher but that is it, Trubisky has a ton of potential but needs a lot of coaching up, and Smith is a rookie ILB. Can't make any judgement on Tru or Smith yet but I'm hopeful.

Since Urlacher (and before Pace) we have Olsen, Harris, Fuller and Long as the only guys who haven't been abortions on the field. That is a crap history of busts. I'd trade the picks for Mack and pay him.
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Funkster wrote:
Knuckles wrote:
Moriarty wrote:This comes up every time a talented player is rumored available.


You can pay top dollar for a guy
You can trade significant picks for a guy

But you DON'T DO BOTH
Isn't that how most trades are? You give up picks and take over the salary... Not every trade is like how Washington was helping out another team like Denver... That was a gift horse not the norm.

Giving up 2 1sts sucks at draft time but really for a proven pass rusher I would easily give up 2 because you're not guaranteed 2 1sts would net you someone that 'gets it' like Mack. Pass rush against Aaron Rodgers for instance... If he can get AR to think about the rush compared to the past 10 years of garbage he's seen on the Bears is worth every penny IMHO. We don't have that many holes to fill other than depth at this point other than a great PR specialist. I'm so FN sick of watching that guy smile and have a good old time against us. Makes me sick as a fan of this team. Just my 2 cents... >.<

I find it hard to believe we would be in the position to draft Bosa for instance this year... And what we would have to give up to do so would be more than what is spent on Mack.

I’m right there with you! Give up a 1st for a potential stud or for solidified stud? The only reason I would even consider a Mack trade is the bears are stacked with young talent on relatively cheap contracts and the have plenty of cap to absorb Mack’s new contract. I think he would be the difference maker!
Mack would make Floyd, Goldman and Hicks that much better... It would be one of the top dlines in the league instantly. Maybe knock off a good 1/2 second to 1 second off of the average time AR has to pass the ball each play and I would love to see that. That's FN HUGE lol... Wipe that GD smirk off his face!
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