Knuckles wrote:Sugashane wrote:I'm fine with trading picks. Let's be real, White is an injury bust, Floyd has been ok as a passrusher but that is it, Trubisky has a ton of potential but needs a lot of coaching up, and Smith is a rookie ILB. Can't make any judgement on Tru or Smith yet but I'm hopeful.
Since Urlacher (and before Pace) we have Olsen, Harris, Fuller and Long as the only guys who haven't been abortions on the field. That is a crap history of busts. I'd trade the picks for Mack and pay him.
Exactly! A proven guy is worth it... We can't get all caught up in the Cutler deal. QB is hard to find and cost a ton if there's someone that even sort of resembles a starter but a guy like Mack is easier to judge because there's just too many variables in a QB like OC for instance and talent around them like WRs ect. A pass rusher either you have it or you don't (for the most part). It's easier to predict what he can do unless the player himself has character issues and I don't see that with Mack (at least what I've read).
I don't blame the Bears for spending what they did on Cutler... Hell I blame them more for not building the team and coaching staff around him more than what he did as QB. I still don't like Jay I think he didn't want to be coached anyway (tell Martz to go F himself for instance). But you don't have to look much further than what Peppers did in GB at the age he did it to see that what even a decent pass rusher can do to a dline if he's above average and solid. Mack is in his prime and a FN beast! Who's the last guy on this team that got more than 10 sacks a year? I seriously can't remember maybe Tommie Harris?
Amen. Going and getting Jay wasn't a bad move, trading away Olsen was. I hate how everyone says "But that 3rd was used to get Marshall!" Who gives a shit? We had another 3rd that was used on Brandon Hardin. Putting Hester as a number one was a disastrous move, having chumps like Roy Williams, Earl Bennett, Kellen Davis, etc to be his offensive cast with an OL that Garza was easily the best lineman on was a garbage move. Rotating has-beens at OC repeatedly was the icing on the cake. Literally every terrible move the Bears COULD have done to ruin Jay... they did. Pace looks like he is doing everything he can to avoid that with his hiring of Nagy and QB-minded coaches and stacking of support cast. Power runner with receiving HB, WR to stretch the field and possession guy with a history of being a #1, TEs to act as safety nets, etc.
Last guy before Pep to get over 10 sacks was Mark freaking Anderson. The Bears' one year wonder got 12 his rookie deal, mostly clean up sacks IIRC. Had one really productive year in NE too.
Getting Mack is the star power we need. We have hopes for Smith, but really we only have Hicks on defense. Fuller has a chance to boom, Amos was damn good, Jackson showed a ton of potential last year, DT is solid-not-great, Goldman is the same, Floyd too, etc. He could make the rest of the defense better, and we have Tru on a rookie deal. THIS is the time to make a play.
