This is a great piece about the strengths and weaknesses of Smith. It explains in detail, why Trevethan will be the Mike and Smith the Will.
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That got posted here right after the draft. It shows why we should never have drafted him without beefy, quality players like Hicks and Goldman in front of him. It will be interesting to see how teams attack Bullard/RRH on the weak side with Roquan behind them. I really want Mack next to Roquan because he's a superior run defender.
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OK. Thanks. I didn't see it.Mikefive wrote:That got posted here right after the draft. It shows why we should never have drafted him without beefy, quality players like Hicks and Goldman in front of him. It will be interesting to see how teams attack Bullard/RRH on the weak side with Roquan behind them. I really want Mack next to Roquan because he's a superior run defender.
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Thanks for posting again - I watched it a few times around the draft but was glad to get another look at it. Smith is the perfect fit for this defense and Chicago has the perfect players around him to compliment what he can/cannot do.
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That's what I thought. Trevethan can take on the blocks as the Mike. I also think our DL, with Hicks and Goldman will help keep the G's from getting to the 2nd level. If Smith is given room to operate, he could be really special.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Thanks for posting again - I watched it a few times around the draft but was glad to get another look at it. Smith is the perfect fit for this defense and Chicago has the perfect players around him to compliment what he can/cannot do.
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One thing to note is that playing at Georgia he was playing light at less than 220lbs almost like a rover LB/SS. Floyd was also very light (230lbs) when playing at Georgia and weighed 244lbs at the Combine and now he's playing at 251lbs.
At the Combine Smith weighed in at 236lbs and still ran a 4.5/40. Now he's listed at 225lbs so at least for now I'm assuming the Bears want him to stay somewhere in the 225-230lb range so he's effective in coverage as well but he has shown he can carry more weight than that and still have great speed and range so where he ends up a year from now who can say?
But, once again we do have a DL who can protect him a bit. There have been guys like Singletary and Sam Mills who played as 4-3 MLBs at 225-230lbs and became All Pros at the position so I'm not gonna go that much by what I saw in some of his college videos. Let's see what happens here in the NFL. It's a different game now and lighter faster LBs are more in use now than even 5 years ago. JAX's Telvin Smith is only 215-220lbs.
At the Combine Smith weighed in at 236lbs and still ran a 4.5/40. Now he's listed at 225lbs so at least for now I'm assuming the Bears want him to stay somewhere in the 225-230lb range so he's effective in coverage as well but he has shown he can carry more weight than that and still have great speed and range so where he ends up a year from now who can say?
But, once again we do have a DL who can protect him a bit. There have been guys like Singletary and Sam Mills who played as 4-3 MLBs at 225-230lbs and became All Pros at the position so I'm not gonna go that much by what I saw in some of his college videos. Let's see what happens here in the NFL. It's a different game now and lighter faster LBs are more in use now than even 5 years ago. JAX's Telvin Smith is only 215-220lbs.
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He's also hurt a lot.Bearfacts wrote:JAX's Telvin Smith is only 215-220lbs.
I'd like to see Smith play more at 235 than 220 just for the pure fact that a little more bulk helps with durability.
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wab wrote:He's also hurt a lot.Bearfacts wrote:JAX's Telvin Smith is only 215-220lbs.
I'd like to see Smith play more at 235 than 220 just for the pure fact that a little more bulk helps with durability.
Google says Telvin Smith has missed 4 games in 4 years. Unless he's leaving a lot of games early, that doesn't seem like an injury prone player.
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I feel like he's had concussion issues, but maybe I'm wrong.Hiphopopotamos wrote:wab wrote:He's also hurt a lot.Bearfacts wrote:JAX's Telvin Smith is only 215-220lbs.
I'd like to see Smith play more at 235 than 220 just for the pure fact that a little more bulk helps with durability.
Google says Telvin Smith has missed 4 games in 4 years. Unless he's leaving a lot of games early, that doesn't seem like an injury prone player.
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Hmmm.....he's only missed 4 games out of 64 in his entire career.wab wrote:He's also hurt a lot.Bearfacts wrote:JAX's Telvin Smith is only 215-220lbs.
I'd like to see Smith play more at 235 than 220 just for the pure fact that a little more bulk helps with durability.
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2014 23 JAX LB 50 16 9 1 15 0 15 4 1 0 2 0 0 2.0 72 32 6
2015 24 JAX LB 50 14 14 1 26 1 26 7 2 0 0 0 0 2.5 99 29 7
2016 25 JAX LB 50 16 16 2 0 0 0 8 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 98 20 9
2017* 26 JAX LB 50 14 14 3 56 1 28 5 1 0 2 52 1 1.0 76 26 15
2018 27 JAX 50 0 0
Career 60 53 7 97 2 28 24 4 0 5 52 1 6.5 345 107 37
Roquan is only 21 so I doubt he's done growing just yet and like Daniels I expect both to add some "good weight" and muscle bulk between now and next season much like Floyd did. If I recall Fangio had Floyd at around 235lbs as a rookie and he's 250lbs now so 230-235lbs for Smith seems likely and maybe from 295lbs to 310lbs for Daniels.
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Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
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Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
I think Hicks may get himself double-digit sacks this year - which is absolutely crazy when you think about it.
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If Floyd can take a big step forward, and Bullard and RRH can just be average. It will be a jail break on every passing down. Either that or the opposing team will have two receivers to throw to, because everyone else will be blocking.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
I think Hicks may get himself double-digit sacks this year - which is absolutely crazy when you think about it.
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I wouldn't count RRH out as being a force as a pass rusher either. Didn't he lead the team in the preseason?
Once things settle in I can see Mack lining up next Hicks on the left side and Floyd paired with RRH on the right side as a four man front or with Goldman at NT in a 5 man front. Now add to that the threat of Smith being used an A gap blitzer coming straight at the QB like a 4.5 guided missile any back will have a tough him blocking. That's kinda scary.
Once things settle in I can see Mack lining up next Hicks on the left side and Floyd paired with RRH on the right side as a four man front or with Goldman at NT in a 5 man front. Now add to that the threat of Smith being used an A gap blitzer coming straight at the QB like a 4.5 guided missile any back will have a tough him blocking. That's kinda scary.
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I think you're right on here. Just look at what we did in preseason and it's only going to get more nuanced. Teams are going to have no idea where the rush is coming from. But it will be coming on every passing down.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:If Floyd can take a big step forward, and Bullard and RRH can just be average. It will be a jail break on every passing down. Either that or the opposing team will have two receivers to throw to, because everyone else will be blocking.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
I think Hicks may get himself double-digit sacks this year - which is absolutely crazy when you think about it.
Fun times ahead.
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I'm expecting it... that dude is going to fucking eat.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
I think Hicks may get himself double-digit sacks this year - which is absolutely crazy when you think about it.
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And the other thing is that we did some blitzing in the preseason. But with Mack we'll be able to get away with a lot more 4 man rushes and dropping 7 back. And that way, when you did send Smith on the blitz or a DB off the corner, teams would be more surprised by it. Lovie will be proud.
Edit... Or maybe we should still blitz a lot and try to create chaos on QB drop backs? Can I hear an argument to go ahead and blitz significantly with Mack?
Edit... Or maybe we should still blitz a lot and try to create chaos on QB drop backs? Can I hear an argument to go ahead and blitz significantly with Mack?
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I can see situations where we might see a corner blitz or a safety blitz. Dropping Floyd into coverage and sending a DB off the edge. Rushing four with a random blitz coming from alternating directions. Especially if you have the strength to rush four with Bullard, Goldman, Hicks and Mack. You can afford to bring a DB blitz, get pressure, and maintain coverage.Mikefive wrote:And the other thing is that we did some blitzing in the preseason. But with Mack we'll be able to get away with a lot more 4 man rushes and dropping 7 back. And that way, when you did send Smith on the blitz or a DB off the corner, teams would be more surprised by it. Lovie will be proud.
Edit... Or maybe we should still blitz a lot and try to create chaos on QB drop backs? Can I hear an argument to go ahead and blitz significantly with Mack?
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I remember a point last year, when Hicks was getting double teamed on a regular basis. But his first step was SO, SO quick and powerful, he was blowing up the double team before it could get to him. There was one game where the announcers were saying he was almost unblockable. That was with Acho and Floyd coming off the edges. Mack is a bit of an upgrade over Acho.G08 wrote:I'm expecting it... that dude is going to fucking eat.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
I think Hicks may get himself double-digit sacks this year - which is absolutely crazy when you think about it.
Hicks is going to be a monster this year. MON-STER.
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Who is going to step up opposite of Hicks this year? Bullard or RRH?
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Hicks looks like a bigger Tommie Harris with his first step sometimes, but with big Ted Washington's heavy hands. I love having him here.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I remember a point last year, when Hicks was getting double teamed on a regular basis. But his first step was SO, SO quick and powerful, he was blowing up the double team before it could get to him. There was one game where the announcers were saying he was almost unblockable. That was with Acho and Floyd coming off the edges. Mack is a bit of an upgrade over Acho.G08 wrote:I'm expecting it... that dude is going to fucking eat.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Hicks saw double teams almost every play last year. Not this year.Bad Flanders wrote:Think of Traylor in front of Url! Those were some good years for Url. Url didn't have the "size issue" that Smith supposedly has, but one of his big knocks had always been his inability to take on blocks or get around them.
Couple of big bodies to take those blocks up does wonders for the inside LBs.
I have to imagine that having Mack ANYWHERE on the field means two guys on him most plays. That will only help everyone else out there.
I think Hicks may get himself double-digit sacks this year - which is absolutely crazy when you think about it.
Hicks is going to be a monster this year. MON-STER.
Him and Mack should both feed off each other. Goldman won't get great stats but his big role is to keep DT and Smith free to roam. IDGAF if it is Bullard or RRH someone needs to step up and produce. They literally will go one on one all day with Mack, Hicks, Floyd all being the main focus of the OL.
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Big weakness for Roquan is to shed blocks on the first or 2nd level. The video articulates scheme is very important to his success. I initially thought that should not be a major issue because he has 2 beefy tackles in Hicks and Goldman right in front of him but that is normally Trevethan's area of responsibility. If he has to line up behind RRH or Bullard it will be a challenge for them to clog the OLine and create space for Roquan to work in unless as has been alluded to we line Mack up on the right side.
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I was reading an article where Sean Payton was describing how they game planned for Mack by putting a TE on him to chip him regardless of which side he lined up on and I'm thinking yeah, do that. Great idea.
So if Mack more often than not lines up on Hicks shoulder whose gonna double Hicks. LOL They're gonna have to pick their poison because it's like fighting a two fisted brawler. If the right one don't get'cha the left one will.
So if Mack more often than not lines up on Hicks shoulder whose gonna double Hicks. LOL They're gonna have to pick their poison because it's like fighting a two fisted brawler. If the right one don't get'cha the left one will.
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Bullard seems to be ahead on the depth chart but IMHO RRH is the better rusher and in time could be another very dominant DE. He's Julius Peppers size and he's athletic and fast. They just need to keep developing him.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Who is going to step up opposite of Hicks this year? Bullard or RRH?
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I've always thought Bullard is a terrible fit for this D. I'd like to see RRH or Nichols step up.
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I somewhat agree. He has a skill set and size more in line with a 3 tech DT but in the past Fangio has used guys like that in his DL. Ray McDonald would be an example. At worst he gives Vic some versatility as a penetrating run defender but I still feel in the long run RRH or Nichols will pass him up.wab wrote:I've always thought Bullard is a terrible fit for this D. I'd like to see RRH or Nichols step up.
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Don’t sleep on Nichols. The kid has a base like a redwood tree. And he pretty quick for his size. Give him a couple years of NFL coaching and fitness/nutrition and he could be a beast.wab wrote:I've always thought Bullard is a terrible fit for this D. I'd like to see RRH or Nichols step up.
If you look at his tape, you have to look at 2016. In 2017 Delaware switched schemes, and he was more of a OL eater, than an active rusher.
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