Harry Hiestand Comments On Whitehairs Snaps

[G08]

Whitehair wasn't really terrible until the 4th quarter, it was kind of disappointing that he cracked under pressure.

[malk]

Whitehair wasn't really terrible until the 4th quarter, it was kind of disappointing that he cracked under pressure.

In this game, his snapping has been an issue pretty much from day one no?

[Bearfacts]

“I can’t tell you how many times he snapped between the spring and then the middle of training camp,” Hiestand said. “We were really struggling, and we switched the technique.

Flogging a dead horse a bit but ugh, that's when you know to make the change. Daniels looked ok in pre season and Kush is never going to be all that. Lets try and get our best five on the field and used to each other, please!

I'm trying not to but at the same time I'm also trying to post threads that can provide info directly from coaches than tend to either confirm or deny our own opinions. Just more facts or data to base our opinions on.

My gut feel here is Cody is gonna continue to struggle with this because it's not what he's best at doing but for whatever number of reasons HH believes Daniels isn't quite there yet. However, soon that may change. That's my read.

There's really no shame in it. If making longer snaps was a walk in the park OCs would make them and there would be no LS. A shotgun snap doesn't need to be quite as precise as a FG snap but it still requires the same degree of precision and consistency or the timing of the play may be upset. Whitehair seems to lack that.

[malk]

“I can’t tell you how many times he snapped between the spring and then the middle of training camp,” Hiestand said. “We were really struggling, and we switched the technique.

Flogging a dead horse a bit but ugh, that's when you know to make the change. Daniels looked ok in pre season and Kush is never going to be all that. Lets try and get our best five on the field and used to each other, please!

I'm trying not to but at the same time I'm also trying to post threads that can provide info directly from coaches than tend to either confirm or deny our own opinions. Just more facts or data to base our opinions on.

My gut feel here is Cody is gonna continue to struggle with this because it's not what he's best at doing but for whatever number of reasons HH believes Daniels isn't quite there yet. However, soon that may change. That's my read.

There's really no shame in it. If making longer snaps was a walk in the park OCs would make them and there would be no LS. A shotgun snap doesn't need to be quite as precise as a FG snap but it still requires the same degree of precision and consistency or the timing of the play may be upset. Whitehair seems to lack that.

Just to clarify, I was saying that I was flogging the horse!

[EricTighe]

Just maybe we are starting our best 5 O-lineman right now. With what we spent this year I very seriously doubt the ole school mentality that FOx had is still in vogue with this new coaching staff.

Everyone thinks Daniels is gonna be a stud at center and maybe he will be. But don't you think if he was ready and Cody is better at guard then that would have already happened?

[Bearfacts]

“I can’t tell you how many times he snapped between the spring and then the middle of training camp,” Hiestand said. “We were really struggling, and we switched the technique.

Flogging a dead horse a bit but ugh, that's when you know to make the change. Daniels looked ok in pre season and Kush is never going to be all that. Lets try and get our best five on the field and used to each other, please!

I'm trying not to but at the same time I'm also trying to post threads that can provide info directly from coaches than tend to either confirm or deny our own opinions. Just more facts or data to base our opinions on.

My gut feel here is Cody is gonna continue to struggle with this because it's not what he's best at doing but for whatever number of reasons HH believes Daniels isn't quite there yet. However, soon that may change. That's my read.

There's really no shame in it. If making longer snaps was a walk in the park OCs would make them and there would be no LS. A shotgun snap doesn't need to be quite as precise as a FG snap but it still requires the same degree of precision and consistency or the timing of the play may be upset. Whitehair seems to lack that.

Just to clarify, I was saying that I was flogging the horse!

[malk]

Just maybe we are starting our best 5 O-lineman right now. With what we spent this year I very seriously doubt the ole school mentality that FOx had is still in vogue with this new coaching staff.

Everyone thinks Daniels is gonna be a stud at center and maybe he will be. But don't you think if he was ready and Cody is better at guard then that would have already happened?

As I said above, this may be true and a poor option. How much better does Kush need to be over Daniels for it to be worth him starting? If we're not moving closer to contending for a Super Bowl then we're going in the wrong direction. Daniels definitely needs development and we need to know what we have with him. That, for me at least, is more important than the marginal increase in ability to win with Kush right now.

Now if the coaches see the difference as being significant, or there being a benefit to Daniels sitting, then fine. But since I predict that our eventual line will be Whitehair at guard and Daniels at center, I think we're just wasting valuable development time.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Just maybe we are starting our best 5 O-lineman right now. With what we spent this year I very seriously doubt the ole school mentality that FOx had is still in vogue with this new coaching staff.

Everyone thinks Daniels is gonna be a stud at center and maybe he will be. But don't you think if he was ready and Cody is better at guard then that would have already happened?

As I said above, this may be true and a poor option. How much better does Kush need to be over Daniels for it to be worth him starting? If we're not moving closer to contending for a Super Bowl then we're going in the wrong direction. Daniels definitely needs development and we need to know what we have with him. That, for me at least, is more important than the marginal increase in ability to win with Kush right now.

Now if the coaches see the difference as being significant, or there being a benefit to Daniels sitting, then fine. But since I predict that our eventual line will be Whitehair at guard and Daniels at center, I think we're just wasting valuable development time.

Most coaches have a grading system that they stick to. That system is based on the cumulative multitude of hours of film that they've looked at in practice and games.

Pressure is a real thing. This game was the biggest game some of these guys have ever played in... Being up on a previously insurmountable opponent then seeing them start working back and going ahead. Then having to try and score with time running down...

Or maybe he had his finger/hand/arm dinged late and it affected his snaps...happens all the time in football.

[Bearfacts]

Just maybe we are starting our best 5 O-lineman right now. With what we spent this year I very seriously doubt the ole school mentality that FOx had is still in vogue with this new coaching staff.

Everyone thinks Daniels is gonna be a stud at center and maybe he will be. But don't you think if he was ready and Cody is better at guard then that would have already happened?

As I said above, this may be true and a poor option. How much better does Kush need to be over Daniels for it to be worth him starting? If we're not moving closer to contending for a Super Bowl then we're going in the wrong direction. Daniels definitely needs development and we need to know what we have with him. That, for me at least, is more important than the marginal increase in ability to win with Kush right now.

Now if the coaches see the difference as being significant, or there being a benefit to Daniels sitting, then fine. But since I predict that our eventual line will be Whitehair at guard and Daniels at center, I think we're just wasting valuable development time.

Most coaches have a grading system that they stick to. That system is based on the cumulative multitude of hours of film that they've looked at in practice and games.

Pressure is a real thing. This game was the biggest game some of these guys have ever played in... Being up on a previously insurmountable opponent then seeing them start working back and going ahead. Then having to try and score with time running down...

Or maybe he had his finger/hand/arm dinged late and it affected his snaps...happens all the time in football.

Yeah, if only that were true.

Cody has been struggling with this all summer and even HH admits that. So much so that they actually changed his technique to see if that would help him overcome it. So far it hasn't. He's still making multiple bad snaps per game.

HH has also said Daniels is close so either at OC or OG there's a chance we may see him after the bye week.

[Bearfanuk]

I don’t see the bears making a change unless an injury forces them into it. The time for changing was in the summer;0 not when live bullets are flying at you. Injuries are never nice but sometime there exactly what you need. If Kuah were to go down then they would be forced into making a decision

[Mr.Irrelevant]

I saw where Eddie Jackson was asked why Daniels isn't playing and he indicated it's because James hasn't mastered the playbook yet. I'm not sure how Eddie would know that or if it's true, but it makes sense.

For years we've heard all about how important continuity is to the Oline, so as was said above I doubt we see a change unless because of injury. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Sowell takes over if one of the guards goes down.

[Umbali]

I don’t see the bears making a change unless an injury forces them into it. The time for changing was in the summer;0 not when live bullets are flying at you. Injuries are never nice but sometime there exactly what you need. If Kuah were to go down then they would be forced into making a decision

I dont see them making a change at this point. It seems like the number one priority is to protect Mitch and if Daniels isnt ready to call out all the protections that protect Mitch, then they will put up with some errant snaps for a while.

[wab]

I don’t see the bears making a change unless an injury forces them into it. The time for changing was in the summer;0 not when live bullets are flying at you. Injuries are never nice but sometime there exactly what you need. If Kuah were to go down then they would be forced into making a decision

I dont see them making a change at this point. It seems like the number one priority is to protect Mitch and if Daniels isnt ready to call out all the protections that protect Mitch, then they will put up with some errant snaps for a while.

Eh. Slausen made the calls from LG when Grasu was forced into action his rookie year.

[Bearfacts]

I don’t see the bears making a change unless an injury forces them into it. The time for changing was in the summer;0 not when live bullets are flying at you. Injuries are never nice but sometime there exactly what you need. If Kuah were to go down then they would be forced into making a decision

I dont see them making a change at this point. It seems like the number one priority is to protect Mitch and if Daniels isnt ready to call out all the protections that protect Mitch, then they will put up with some errant snaps for a while.

Eh. Slausen made the calls from LG when Grasu was forced into action his rookie year.

Yep, there different ways to go about this.

Cohension is important but Daniels did play quite a bit during preseason and one game in Long is already being rested due to ankle soreness. If Long misses any time it will force a change and I'd much rather see Daniels come in than Sowell.

[wab]

I don’t think Long has much left in him.

[JMHJD2017]

Is bad snaps came at the worst moments. Gosh, twas annoying.

[BR0D1E86]

I don’t think Long has much left in him.

I’m starting to think that also. Kind of sad, he was one heck of a good player for a very short period of time.

[malk]

On the quality front, I looked back at that 2015 offensive line and we only gave up 33 sacks despite it being a pretty motley crew. Another reason to get the five with the most upside out...

For Long, I think there's a decent chance he can drop his in season practice time, get extra rest, and stay at this standard for a while longer.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

On the quality front, I looked back at that 2015 offensive line and we only gave up 33 sacks despite it being a pretty motley crew. Another reason to get the five with the most upside out...

For Long, I think there's a decent chance he can drop his in season practice time, get extra rest, and stay at this standard for a while longer.

I think Long can maintain if he doesn’t try to do anything too crazy. Honestly, a Kyle Long at 90% is the best option we have at RG.


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[Bearfacts]

Kyle is a throwback kinda player. He's a warrior and will play through the "hurting" whenever he can.

He's signed through 2021 (age 32) for some very reasonable cap hits but if push came to shove he could be let go before the 2020 season with only $1.5 mil in dead cap if we've managed to draft and develop a potential replacement for him by then. Despite his injuries I'm still gonna say it's at least 50/50 he finishes out his contract.

As for Daniels I believe he'll be starting somewhere before the season is half way gone either due to injury or he will have earned it. How much longer they can ride on Whitehair's errant snaps I can't say but there's no question it's impacting the offense and at some of the most critical times. IMHO either he improves or he's replaced sooner than later.