The Dreaded QB Thread...

[southdakbearfan]

Biscuits is making tremendous strides, and it shows. Will he still do "stupid" things from time to time, sure. But he is turning into a beast. He is dual threat, he has been making the right decisions outside of a few learning moments, his accuracy is improving as he gets use to his receivers.

The defense, heat index or not, got their asses handed to them today. I think the subbing plan should have been more aggressive to keep them fresh. Also, can we please not see Mack dropping into coverage ever. I have seen it twice so far this year, it was bad both times.

Nagy had quite a few "rookie" head coach moments that cost his team. Sometimes he gets too cute. If howard was gassed on the last drive, call a timeout and let him rest but he was the perfect runner at that time of the game vs cohen going straight ahead. It's a learning process, just like the QB, and the pro's outweigh the cons by far.

Both RB's had fumbles, very uncharacteristic of both of them. We are running a lot, if you factor in the gadget plays to the WR and Biscuits runs, but I still would like to see Howard get a few more carries, 5-6 more.

Hey, 5 games in we are 3-2, still in first and a team to be recon with on both sides of the ball.

I do think the game is totally different if they aren't playing in the swamp heat of Miami. I also think they overlooked them and it took a half to kick anything in gear.

[KOP_Snake]

Nagy needs to rip the rollouts out of the playbook if Mitch is just going to sail it into the middle of the field up for grabs every time.

[malk]

Really impressed with Trubisky in this game. I thought it was going to hell in the first half with the overthrows and missing open receivers. But he kept his head and turned it around. More impressive in some ways than the Bucs game when he got into a rhythm right from the start.

Sure there were a few throws that he can't make but there's no reason why that won't come.

[G08]

I just want to know why he routinely misses wide open WRs in the middle of the field. I don't understand it -- he had zero pressure on him.

[Hiphopopotamos]

So I've ignored this thread and basically any Mitch Trubisky related thread around the internet because I didn't want to read people both making excuses and writing off his career 5 games into the Nagy offense.

Decided this morning I'd take a look at where Trubisky ranked around the league and against other young QB's. I was surprised at just how well he is doing in things like efficiency and passer rating.

Amazing what a talented WR/TE corp and a bright offensive mind at OC can do for a QB.

Crazy to think that only a couple of weeks ago many NFL fans had Trubisky second to last among young QB's (ahead of only Josh Allen).

Now Trubisky is 7th in the NFL in passer rating and 4th in completion percentage. He came out against Miami and had a tough first half - but made some adjustments in the second half and despite the loss had himself a good game.

We're seeing more growth and maturity from this kid every week. I'm excited.

[wab]

I just want to know why he routinely misses wide open WRs in the middle of the field. I don't understand it -- he had zero pressure on him.

Mahomes does it too... he did it several times last night. Young QB jitters man.

[wab]

Nagy needs to rip the rollouts out of the playbook if Mitch is just going to sail it into the middle of the field up for grabs every time.

He needs to roll the playbook up and smack Mitch on the nose and say "NO! BAD MITCH!"

[Hiphopopotamos]

Just for giggles -

Through 5 games here is what each player, including Trubisky, is on pace for (stats wise):






Here was my prediction back in May:



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[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Just for giggles -

Through 5 games here is what each player, including Trubisky, is on pace for (stats wise):






Here was my prediction back in May:



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If you would have said at the beginning of the year, "will you take Mitch with a 70% completion rate, 4200 yards, and 3:1 TD to INT." We would have all said, "hell yes!"

[DaSuperfan]

Nagy needs to rip the rollouts out of the playbook if Mitch is just going to sail it into the middle of the field up for grabs every time.

Well, I don't get why Nagy has routes designed to go to that side of the field if Mitch is rolling out to his right? Why even give Mitch the option to throw it to that part of the field?

[sportsfanrj]

Threw for 316 yards and 3 touchdowns with a passer rating of 122.5. He was not the reason the Bears lost. The defense went out and laid an egg. It's Brock flibbin Osweiler for crying out loud!!!!!!!

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Threw for 316 yards and 3 touchdowns with a passer rating of 122.5. He was not the reason the Bears lost. The defense went out and laid an egg. It's Brock flibbin Osweiler for crying out loud!!!!!!!

No, absolutely not Biscuit's fault. But I will put it squarely on Nagy's head. If you have a gassed defense, you need to find a way to sustain a drive. Not go down and score 21 points in nine minutes. It sounds like a good idea, but in that heat, they needed more of a break. Not making excuses, and Nagy will figure that out as he becomes a more experienced HC, but he needed to be thinking about both sides of the ball in the 3Q.

[wab]

Threw for 316 yards and 3 touchdowns with a passer rating of 122.5. He was not the reason the Bears lost. The defense went out and laid an egg. It's Brock flibbin Osweiler for crying out loud!!!!!!!

No, absolutely not Biscuit's fault. But I will put it squarely on Nagy's head. If you have a gassed defense, you need to find a way to sustain a drive. Not go down and score 21 points in nine minutes. It sounds like a good idea, but in that heat, they needed more of a break. Not making excuses, and Nagy will figure that out as he becomes a more experienced HC, but he needed to be thinking about both sides of the ball in the 3Q.

I mean, that's not entirely fair. Could he have called more runs, maybe...but you can't ask your QB to NOT make plays down the field when they are there.

[Mikefive]

Threw for 316 yards and 3 touchdowns with a passer rating of 122.5. He was not the reason the Bears lost. The defense went out and laid an egg. It's Brock flibbin Osweiler for crying out loud!!!!!!!

No, absolutely not Biscuit's fault. But I will put it squarely on Nagy's head. If you have a gassed defense, you need to find a way to sustain a drive. Not go down and score 21 points in nine minutes. It sounds like a good idea, but in that heat, they needed more of a break. Not making excuses, and Nagy will figure that out as he becomes a more experienced HC, but he needed to be thinking about both sides of the ball in the 3Q.

I mean, that's not entirely fair. Could he have called more runs, maybe...but you can't ask your QB to NOT make plays down the field when they are there.

I agree. I heard similar criticism of Andy Reid over yesterday's game. "He shouldn't have scored so soon and left so much time on the clock!" And so the critics want the team--down 4 mind you--to help the defense by getting more predictable in their play calling to go to only short passes in order to run clock? That seems a little nutzo to me.

[KOP_Snake]

In the 3rd quarter is entirely too early to say "we need to slow down and not score so much." I don't think you even consider taking time of possession over points until maybe 4 minutes left in the game, and then its entirely situational.

[KOP_Snake]

Threw for 316 yards and 3 touchdowns with a passer rating of 122.5. He was not the reason the Bears lost. The defense went out and laid an egg. It's Brock flibbin Osweiler for crying out loud!!!!!!!

No, absolutely not Biscuit's fault. But I will put it squarely on Nagy's head. If you have a gassed defense, you need to find a way to sustain a drive. Not go down and score 21 points in nine minutes. It sounds like a good idea, but in that heat, they needed more of a break. Not making excuses, and Nagy will figure that out as he becomes a more experienced HC, but he needed to be thinking about both sides of the ball in the 3Q.

I mean, that's not entirely fair. Could he have called more runs, maybe...but you can't ask your QB to NOT make plays down the field when they are there.

I agree. I heard similar criticism of Andy Reid over yesterday's game. "He shouldn't have scored so soon and left so much time on the clock!" And so the critics want the team--down 4 mind you--to help the defense by getting more predictable in their play calling to go to only short passes in order to run clock? That seems a little nutzo to me.

For all we know Belichick had it all figured out.


Best case: they dont score

2nd best case: They score really fast and leave us time

Worst case: They consume the clock and score


So he lets them score fast and puts it in Brady's hands.

[BR0D1E86]

I just want to know why he routinely misses wide open WRs in the middle of the field. I don't understand it -- he had zero pressure on him.

Mahomes does it too... he did it several times last night. Young QB jitters man.

It seemed to me like he started really settling down in the pocket in the second instead of bouncing so much. And then he really threw some darts.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

I just want to know why he routinely misses wide open WRs in the middle of the field. I don't understand it -- he had zero pressure on him.

Mahomes does it too... he did it several times last night. Young QB jitters man.

It seemed to me like he started really settling down in the pocket in the second instead of bouncing so much. And then he really threw some darts.

That's what it looked like to me as well. His feet were SO much better in the second half. It was like a tale of two QB's.

[jamus34]

Yeah and the TD pass he threw to Miller was a thing of beauty.

Not because it was a spot on pass into tight space being double-covered.

Mainly because the defense broke down and it was too easy a throw. Biscuit has missed a couple of them. He hit Miller and mostly hit him in stride so there was no question with it being a TD.

The pick was bad but the call on the TD throw was crap. Miami was blocking our guys while the ball was in the air all game on those WR screens and they didn't call it once. THAT was pissing me off.

[DaSuperfan]

Threw for 316 yards and 3 touchdowns with a passer rating of 122.5. He was not the reason the Bears lost. The defense went out and laid an egg. It's Brock flibbin Osweiler for crying out loud!!!!!!!

No, absolutely not Biscuit's fault. But I will put it squarely on Nagy's head. If you have a gassed defense, you need to find a way to sustain a drive. Not go down and score 21 points in nine minutes. It sounds like a good idea, but in that heat, they needed more of a break. Not making excuses, and Nagy will figure that out as he becomes a more experienced HC, but he needed to be thinking about both sides of the ball in the 3Q.

I don't know that I agree with this take. We scored 21 points in about 8 minutes, true. It ended up being 21-13 at one point and the Bears had a pretty long drive down to the 2 yard line. Had an apparent TD pass to Cohen, but offensive PI called on Burton. Would have been 28-13, but it wasn't. Next play Trubisky forces one into tight coverage in the end zone and it's picked off. At this point the defense should be fairly rested even with the drive ending in an INT. No excuse for not tackling Albert Wilson on a screen on the ensuing drive for the Fins.

[docc]

Score as often as possible..as quick or slow as needed//

[docc]

2018 Regular Season NFL Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Patrick Mahomes, KC 31.7 36.7 6.3 1.7 46.8 259 85.0 85.0
2 Drew Brees, NO 24.7 31.0 1.6 1.2 38.9 215 83.6 79.2
3 Jared Goff, LAR 21.8 29.2 2.3 2.9 38.1 231 79.2 78.8
4 Philip Rivers, LAC 20.0 26.3 0.3 0.4 30.3 222 78.1 78.3
5 Ryan Fitzpatrick, TB 13.4 17.1 2.4 0.4 22.5 156 77.1 75.3
6 Tom Brady, NE 17.1 23.1 3.5 1.9 31.2 241 73.2 72.2
7 Kirk Cousins, MIN 17.5 29.4 0.5 -0.0 36.9 305 69.2 69.5
8 Matt Ryan, ATL 20.1 24.8 6.2 2.5 42.1 270 74.1 68.5
9 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 17.7 29.9 5.0 2.2 40.5 302 69.7 67.7
10 Andy Dalton, CIN 11.9 24.0 -0.1 2.5 33.5 267 65.2 62.3
11 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI 6.7 10.3 4.7 1.6 23.0 213 60.9 61.5

[Mikefive]

2018 Regular Season NFL Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Patrick Mahomes, KC 31.7 36.7 6.3 1.7 46.8 259 85.0 85.0
2 Drew Brees, NO 24.7 31.0 1.6 1.2 38.9 215 83.6 79.2
3 Jared Goff, LAR 21.8 29.2 2.3 2.9 38.1 231 79.2 78.8
4 Philip Rivers, LAC 20.0 26.3 0.3 0.4 30.3 222 78.1 78.3
5 Ryan Fitzpatrick, TB 13.4 17.1 2.4 0.4 22.5 156 77.1 75.3
6 Tom Brady, NE 17.1 23.1 3.5 1.9 31.2 241 73.2 72.2
7 Kirk Cousins, MIN 17.5 29.4 0.5 -0.0 36.9 305 69.2 69.5
8 Matt Ryan, ATL 20.1 24.8 6.2 2.5 42.1 270 74.1 68.5
9 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 17.7 29.9 5.0 2.2 40.5 302 69.7 67.7
10 Andy Dalton, CIN 11.9 24.0 -0.1 2.5 33.5 267 65.2 62.3
11 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI 6.7 10.3 4.7 1.6 23.0 213 60.9 61.5

And it's 5 games into year two after only 13 college starts. The guy still has more room to grow.

[Hiphopopotamos]

2018 Regular Season NFL Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Patrick Mahomes, KC 31.7 36.7 6.3 1.7 46.8 259 85.0 85.0
2 Drew Brees, NO 24.7 31.0 1.6 1.2 38.9 215 83.6 79.2
3 Jared Goff, LAR 21.8 29.2 2.3 2.9 38.1 231 79.2 78.8
4 Philip Rivers, LAC 20.0 26.3 0.3 0.4 30.3 222 78.1 78.3
5 Ryan Fitzpatrick, TB 13.4 17.1 2.4 0.4 22.5 156 77.1 75.3
6 Tom Brady, NE 17.1 23.1 3.5 1.9 31.2 241 73.2 72.2
7 Kirk Cousins, MIN 17.5 29.4 0.5 -0.0 36.9 305 69.2 69.5
8 Matt Ryan, ATL 20.1 24.8 6.2 2.5 42.1 270 74.1 68.5
9 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 17.7 29.9 5.0 2.2 40.5 302 69.7 67.7
10 Andy Dalton, CIN 11.9 24.0 -0.1 2.5 33.5 267 65.2 62.3
11 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI 6.7 10.3 4.7 1.6 23.0 213 60.9 61.5

FWIW - Trubisky is 7th in the NFL is Passer Rating.

[Knuckles]

What's crazy is he's played 1 full game and 2 1/2s at his potential in 5 games this year and he's still ranked that high. Imagine when he and the offense are more consistent.

[docc]

Note.. Rodgers not on this list..

Amazing QB..GB may have wasted one of the GOAT..

[G08]

Not my post:

Dan Orlovsky was on ESPN 1000 and he was saying that the deep shots to Gabriel were awesome, but the best throws Mitch made were his throws to Allen Robinson.



-On the TD throw, he has a zone defense with a box setting up around Robinson on the goal line, which you can do in the redzone because the safeties do not have to get deep. That throw needs to be out before Robinson settles down and with 0 hesitation as the box collapses in around Robinson. Trubisky knows he is throwing it pre snap as he recognizes zone and he sticks it in with 0 hesitation.



-On the 22 yard back shoulder on the sideline the CB drops and a flat defender comes underneath the route and Orlovsky said most NFL QBs won't even throw the route because technically it is covered with Robinson running a fly route into the CB at the goal line. He said what made it so impressive was that Mitch reads the coverage and goes back shoulder leading Robinson away from the over top defender, but what he said was the most encouraging thing was that Robinson saw the same thing and immediately adjusted in the exact same way.



It really appears that Robinson and Mitch are getting into a groove as the TB TD, Mia TD, and Mia backshoulder were all really nice reads, throws, routes and adjustments by both of them.

[The All Night Lights]

2018 Regular Season NFL Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Patrick Mahomes, KC 31.7 36.7 6.3 1.7 46.8 259 85.0 85.0
2 Drew Brees, NO 24.7 31.0 1.6 1.2 38.9 215 83.6 79.2
3 Jared Goff, LAR 21.8 29.2 2.3 2.9 38.1 231 79.2 78.8
4 Philip Rivers, LAC 20.0 26.3 0.3 0.4 30.3 222 78.1 78.3
5 Ryan Fitzpatrick, TB 13.4 17.1 2.4 0.4 22.5 156 77.1 75.3
6 Tom Brady, NE 17.1 23.1 3.5 1.9 31.2 241 73.2 72.2
7 Kirk Cousins, MIN 17.5 29.4 0.5 -0.0 36.9 305 69.2 69.5
8 Matt Ryan, ATL 20.1 24.8 6.2 2.5 42.1 270 74.1 68.5
9 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 17.7 29.9 5.0 2.2 40.5 302 69.7 67.7
10 Andy Dalton, CIN 11.9 24.0 -0.1 2.5 33.5 267 65.2 62.3
11 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI 6.7 10.3 4.7 1.6 23.0 213 60.9 61.5

And it's 5 games into year two after only 13 college starts. The guy still has more room to grow.

Agreed. I give players 3 years, if by the end of the 3rd year they are still looking shaky, then by all means

[docc]

Mitchell Trubisky vs. Jets (ESPN projection: 18.6): Mahomes, Shmahomes ... As great as young Patrick is, there's not a hotter QB in fantasy right now than Trubisky. Since Week 4, he is averaging more than 34 fantasy points per game and ranks second with 11 TD passes in that span (despite being on bye one of those weeks). In fact, he has the most points in a three-game span by any QB since 2012 (Cam Newton). He actually has more rushing yards this season than LeSean McCoy and now gets a Jets team that is giving up almost 290 passing yards per game on the road and has allowed multiple TD passes in four straight.

[mmmc_35]

I like fantasy football, but it ruins fans perspective on players.