QB Talent in the NFL

[wab]

Saw this on the Twitter...

-Mahomes
-Wentz
-Goff
-Watson
-Mayfield
-Darnold
-Rosen
-Allen
-Jackson
-Trubisky
-Winston
-Mariota
-Carr
-Garappolo
-Wilson
-Luck
-Newton

All under 30. The NFL has never had this much young talent at the quarterback position.

I'd even add Bortles and Prescott to that list. Not a great time to be a college QB coming out. All those dudes are pretty good, or at least talented enough to succeed. There's maybe what...3-4 teams in the NFL right now that could use a QB. And those 3-4 don't even really have an immediate need.

[crueltyabc]

The last three draft classes have completely flipped the narrative. It's really just the Patriots and the Chargers that are lacking a young QB. The Steelers have two young guys who aren't on this list. Maybe the Dolphins will need someone if Tannehill flames out again?

The new scouting challenges (that everyone will blame on the spread) are CB and oline

Oh also Josh Allen should not be on that list because he's terrible and I have no hope for him because he's bad in exactly the ways he was bad in college also the Bills have a terrible offense in general that will need to be rebuilt across the next five years /rant

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Saw this on the Twitter...

-Mahomes
-Wentz
-Goff
-Watson
-Mayfield
-Darnold
-Rosen
-Allen
-Jackson
-Trubisky
-Winston
-Mariota
-Carr
-Garappolo
-Wilson
-Luck
-Newton

All under 30. The NFL has never had this much young talent at the quarterback position.

I'd even add Bortles and Prescott to that list. Not a great time to be a college QB coming out. All those dudes are pretty good, or at least talented enough to succeed. There's maybe what...3-4 teams in the NFL right now that could use a QB. And those 3-4 don't even really have an immediate need.

That's a lot of young talent, but it also puts a lot of pressure on them. The NFL is all about "What have you done for me lately." Sooner or later, a team is going to look at a less than productive young talent, see a Book or McSorely declaring for the draft, and decide that they can win with that kid, instead of what they have now.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

The last three draft classes have completely flipped the narrative. It's really just the Patriots and the Chargers that are lacking a young QB. The Steelers have two young guys who aren't on this list. Maybe the Dolphins will need someone if Tannehill flames out again?

The new scouting challenges (that everyone will blame on the spread) are CB and oline

Oh also Josh Allen should not be on that list because he's terrible and I have no hope for him because he's bad in exactly the ways he was bad in college also the Bills have a terrible offense in general that will need to be rebuilt across the next five years /rant

Darnold is regressing to the mean awfully quick as well. He had that one good year for USC, and then couldn't hit the broad side of barn the following year. So far this year he looks more like the latter than the former.

[wab]

I’m not suggesting all these guys are going to be hits. I’m just saying there’s so many young QBs right now that it’s going to change the dynamic of the NFL...at least for a few years. It’s also going to have a trickle down effect on college football and the draft.

[The Marshall Plan]

Saw this on the Twitter...

-Mahomes
-Wentz
-Goff
-Watson
-Mayfield
-Darnold
-Rosen
-Allen
-Jackson
-Trubisky
-Winston
-Mariota
-Carr
-Garappolo
-Wilson
-Luck
-Newton

All under 30. The NFL has never had this much young talent at the quarterback position.

I'd even add Bortles and Prescott to that list. Not a great time to be a college QB coming out. All those dudes are pretty good, or at least talented enough to succeed. There's maybe what...3-4 teams in the NFL right now that could use a QB. And those 3-4 don't even really have an immediate need.

Is that list also a ranking?

[wab]

Just a list.

[Mikefive]

Saw this on the Twitter...

-Mahomes
-Wentz
-Goff
-Watson
-Mayfield
-Darnold
-Rosen
-Allen
-Jackson
-Trubisky
-Winston
-Mariota
-Carr
-Garappolo
-Wilson
-Luck
-Newton

All under 30. The NFL has never had this much young talent at the quarterback position.

I'd even add Bortles and Prescott to that list. Not a great time to be a college QB coming out. All those dudes are pretty good, or at least talented enough to succeed. There's maybe what...3-4 teams in the NFL right now that could use a QB. And those 3-4 don't even really have an immediate need.

I agree on adding Bortles. That guy was bad for a long time. But he's grown into the job in the last year.

[IotaNet]

I think the difference is that because of the pressure for young QB's to produce RIGHT AWAY, NFL OC's are much more willing to tailor their offenses to the strengths of the young QB.

Back in the day, it was all about a young QB learning how to become a pro QB -- in the system of the HC and/or OC of a given franchise. It was also unheard of for pro teams to employ college concepts in the NFL. Additionally, pro teams are far more willing to go with "athletic" quarterbacks than ever before. Not to be overlooked is the fact that Black quarterbacks are no longer taboo.

All those factors lead to having a whole shift of option about young QB's in the NFL and their viability.

[docc]

College RPO influence as NFL moves away from Pocket passers..

[Umbali]

Wow until I saw it in list form, I hadnt given any thought to the age of so many of the QBs in the league. That is unreal.

[Boris13c]

so we get to witness the latest QB renaissance ... the "new age" of what the position is to become ... and we can then later tell our grandchildren about how we saw the old days when men stood in a pocket, took their lumps, and still threw TD passes

[malk]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?






*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

[Boris13c]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?



*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

Keenum is 30 and Foles is 29 so I don't think they can be considered in the same category as Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield and others ... they are in a separate category - Retreads with new life ... that doesn't in any way take away from what they are accomplishing just that they are outside the spectrum of the new crop of QB's

[malk]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?



*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

Keenum is 30 and Foles is 29 so I don't think they can be considered in the same category as Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield and others ... they are in a separate category - Retreads with new life ... that doesn't in any way take away from what they are accomplishing just that they are outside the spectrum of the new crop of QB's

I brought them up as examples of what kind of QB can succeed in the NFL now. Of course they're small sample sizes, just a season or part of a season each, but they still had success with those teams without having what would traditionally be perceived as top end talent.

So is, say, Watson a top end QB or a Keenum/Foles type, and how much does that matter?

[Boris13c]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?



*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

Keenum is 30 and Foles is 29 so I don't think they can be considered in the same category as Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield and others ... they are in a separate category - Retreads with new life ... that doesn't in any way take away from what they are accomplishing just that they are outside the spectrum of the new crop of QB's

I brought them up as examples of what kind of QB can succeed in the NFL now. Of course they're small sample sizes, just a season or part of a season each, but they still had success with those teams without having what would traditionally be perceived as top end talent.

So is, say, Watson a top end QB or a Keenum/Foles type, and how much does that matter?

I think if you have a proper coaching staff it matters less than it used to because they will come up with a scheme to use what the QB can give rather than trying to force a QB into his system ... and that seems to now be happening with the new HC's as well as the old

[southdakbearfan]

Rule changes have affected this a lot as well.

[IotaNet]

I think if you have a proper coaching staff it matters less than it used to because they will come up with a scheme to use what the QB can give rather than trying to force a QB into his system ... and that seems to now be happening with the new HC's as well as the old

I think this is key.

Coaches are being more open-minded about what can work in the NFL and (successful) coaches are being far more flexible in adapting their systems to the talents of their quarterback and building around him.

What leaps to mind is Jeff Fisher (prototypical NFL dinosaur) vs. Sean McVay (quintessential NFL "New Jack") and their approach to Jared Goff.