QB Talent in the NFL

[Umbali]

Wow until I saw it in list form, I hadnt given any thought to the age of so many of the QBs in the league. That is unreal.

[Boris13c]

so we get to witness the latest QB renaissance ... the "new age" of what the position is to become ... and we can then later tell our grandchildren about how we saw the old days when men stood in a pocket, took their lumps, and still threw TD passes

[malk]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?






*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

[Boris13c]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?



*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

Keenum is 30 and Foles is 29 so I don't think they can be considered in the same category as Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield and others ... they are in a separate category - Retreads with new life ... that doesn't in any way take away from what they are accomplishing just that they are outside the spectrum of the new crop of QB's

[malk]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?



*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

Keenum is 30 and Foles is 29 so I don't think they can be considered in the same category as Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield and others ... they are in a separate category - Retreads with new life ... that doesn't in any way take away from what they are accomplishing just that they are outside the spectrum of the new crop of QB's

I brought them up as examples of what kind of QB can succeed in the NFL now. Of course they're small sample sizes, just a season or part of a season each, but they still had success with those teams without having what would traditionally be perceived as top end talent.

So is, say, Watson a top end QB or a Keenum/Foles type, and how much does that matter?

[Boris13c]

I wonder how differentially good some of those players are and how many are helped by current NFL rules and offensive schemes. I.e. is it that there's an unexpected amount of talent or could it be that QBs are less important because the position has never been as accessible?

Lots of young QBs doing well early, Keenum with the Vikings, Foles with the Eagles...

Does it get to the point where teams start to think they can pick up, if not a Prescott or Wilson in the mid rounds, a Mahomes, Watson, Carr or Garappolo outside of the top five*?



*The answer is clearly no but I find it interesting...

Keenum is 30 and Foles is 29 so I don't think they can be considered in the same category as Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield and others ... they are in a separate category - Retreads with new life ... that doesn't in any way take away from what they are accomplishing just that they are outside the spectrum of the new crop of QB's

I brought them up as examples of what kind of QB can succeed in the NFL now. Of course they're small sample sizes, just a season or part of a season each, but they still had success with those teams without having what would traditionally be perceived as top end talent.

So is, say, Watson a top end QB or a Keenum/Foles type, and how much does that matter?

I think if you have a proper coaching staff it matters less than it used to because they will come up with a scheme to use what the QB can give rather than trying to force a QB into his system ... and that seems to now be happening with the new HC's as well as the old

[southdakbearfan]

Rule changes have affected this a lot as well.

[IotaNet]

I think if you have a proper coaching staff it matters less than it used to because they will come up with a scheme to use what the QB can give rather than trying to force a QB into his system ... and that seems to now be happening with the new HC's as well as the old

I think this is key.

Coaches are being more open-minded about what can work in the NFL and (successful) coaches are being far more flexible in adapting their systems to the talents of their quarterback and building around him.

What leaps to mind is Jeff Fisher (prototypical NFL dinosaur) vs. Sean McVay (quintessential NFL "New Jack") and their approach to Jared Goff.