Trubisky shoulder injury // Rolling thread

Funkster · Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:13 pm

He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.

G08 · Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:19 pm

Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.

It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.

GSH · Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:43 pm

G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.

im gonna go with the surgeon over the reporter in this case

Funkster · Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:47 am

G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.

Biggs is reporting Tru is fighting to play through his shoulder injury. I’m pumped to hear that. I’m hoping they let him. This team needs toughness, what better player than your QB?

Otis Day · Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:37 am

GSH wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.
im gonna go with the surgeon over the reporter in this case

And this orthopedic is making his diagnosis how? From watching the game?

Franchise QBs play thru pain and some injuries, Trubs is gotta play.

HurricaneBear · Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:38 am

G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.

Where did you hear the comments from a surgeon? Does he work for the Bears and/or with Mitch? Nothing like that surgeon commet has come across on the app(great for news/pressers/interviews btw for those who don't have it yet). I'd like to read/listen to it if you have a link?

The only official comments i've heard are from Nagy. Nagy was "cautiously optimistic and hoping Mitch would play." He also said "we are treating it like Mack and Arob, day to day." When asked about it needing surgery, Nagy quickly and definitively said "no. No surgery." My impression was Mitch will play, but Nagy did leave enough doubt in my head that Mitch won't, especially with the Mack/Arob comment.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:02 am

Funkster wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.
Biggs is reporting Tru is fighting to play through his shoulder injury. I’m pumped to hear that. I’m hoping they let him. This team needs toughness, what better player than your QB?

No. This team needs a healthy franchise QB. If you can rest him against the flailing Lions, much like resting Mack against the Bills and Jets. You do it. I would rather have a healthy Mitch vs. the Rams, than one that is injured and "displaying toughness."

dplank · Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:33 am

Nothing matters but beating the Lions. If Mitch is in any way degraded throwing the ball, play Daniel. I have a lot of confidence in Daniel, he is a vet and has been in this offense for a long time. It's a 'system' offense, so that experience is invaluable. But if Mitch is "gutting one out" and can't really deliver a good ball, that's not good for the team.

Otis Day · Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 am

If Trubs is not going to play, he probably will not dress. Bray will have to be activated, who gets dropped? Roster moves have to be made.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:50 am

Otis Day wrote:If Trubs is not going to play, he probably will not dress. Bray will have to be activated, who gets dropped? Roster moves have to be made.

Send Mizzell back to the PS

G08 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:53 am

HurricaneBear wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.
Where did you hear the comments from a surgeon? Does he work for the Bears and/or with Mitch? Nothing like that surgeon commet has come across on the app(great for news/pressers/interviews btw for those who don't have it yet). I'd like to read/listen to it if you have a link?

The only official comments i've heard are from Nagy. Nagy was "cautiously optimistic and hoping Mitch would play." He also said "we are treating it like Mack and Arob, day to day." When asked about it needing surgery, Nagy quickly and definitively said "no. No surgery." My impression was Mitch will play, but Nagy did leave enough doubt in my head that Mitch won't, especially with the Mack/Arob comment.

Dr. Chao (Former NFL head team doc 17+years Practicing orthopedic surgeon)

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sp ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HurricaneBear · Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:30 am

G08 wrote:
HurricaneBear wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.
Where did you hear the comments from a surgeon? Does he work for the Bears and/or with Mitch? Nothing like that surgeon commet has come across on the app(great for news/pressers/interviews btw for those who don't have it yet). I'd like to read/listen to it if you have a link?

The only official comments i've heard are from Nagy. Nagy was "cautiously optimistic and hoping Mitch would play." He also said "we are treating it like Mack and Arob, day to day." When asked about it needing surgery, Nagy quickly and definitively said "no. No surgery." My impression was Mitch will play, but Nagy did leave enough doubt in my head that Mitch won't, especially with the Mack/Arob comment.
Dr. Chao (Former NFL head team doc 17+years Practicing orthopedic surgeon)

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sp ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks!

So he has no insider info and is basing his assessment off video and nagy’s comments? It’s great for writing an article but you can’t do a true assessment of an injury based off a short video clip. I work with soft tissue injuries on a daily basis, without performing at least some orthopedic assessment tests you really don’t know too much. So he could be right, but he just as easily could be wrong. Here’s to hoping he is wrong. So we are still at square one and only have Nagy’s comments to go off of.

Funkster · Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:33 pm

HurricaneBear wrote:
G08 wrote:
HurricaneBear wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.
Where did you hear the comments from a surgeon? Does he work for the Bears and/or with Mitch? Nothing like that surgeon commet has come across on the app(great for news/pressers/interviews btw for those who don't have it yet). I'd like to read/listen to it if you have a link?

The only official comments i've heard are from Nagy. Nagy was "cautiously optimistic and hoping Mitch would play." He also said "we are treating it like Mack and Arob, day to day." When asked about it needing surgery, Nagy quickly and definitively said "no. No surgery." My impression was Mitch will play, but Nagy did leave enough doubt in my head that Mitch won't, especially with the Mack/Arob comment.
Dr. Chao (Former NFL head team doc 17+years Practicing orthopedic surgeon)

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sp ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks!

So he has no insider info and is basing his assessment off video and nagy’s comments? It’s great for writing an article but you can’t do a true assessment of an injury based off a short video clip. I work with soft tissue injuries on a daily basis, without performing at least some orthopedic assessment tests you really don’t know too much. So he could be right, but he just as easily could be wrong. Here’s to hoping he is wrong. So we are still at square one and only have Nagy’s comments to go off of.

He’s actually very accurate. If no surgery is needed or the bears aren’t worried Dr. Chao’s guess of stretching of the capsule/labrum or pinching/bruising of the rotator cuff sounds pretty spot on. This isn’t an injury that could worsened with playing. IMO, it’s bears staff being VERY cautious. If he thinks he can play, you gotta let the kid try.

Boris13c · Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:47 pm

whenever I hear something about "well, you can't hurt it more by playing", I think back on Jim Miller and his shoulder woes and how the Bears crack medical staff at the time said the same thing and ended up ruining his career

so if there is any question, I want Trubisky to sit, preferably in street clothes so there is no temptation to toss him in there

G08 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:52 pm

Trubisky officially listed as doubtful for tomorrow.

HurricaneBear · Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Funkster wrote:
HurricaneBear wrote:
G08 wrote:
HurricaneBear wrote:
G08 wrote:
Funkster wrote:He’s the franchise QB, they have to let him show some toughness and grit. Could you imagine Favre, Manning, Brady, Rivers or Rodgers sitting out a game over some shoulder soreness? I’m not buying any of this, my bet is this is just coaching head games to throw in some confusion in a short week.
It's all speculative since none of us know the severity of the injury. One reporter says the Bears are optimistic, another orthopedic surgeon said he's doubtful Trubisky plays.
Where did you hear the comments from a surgeon? Does he work for the Bears and/or with Mitch? Nothing like that surgeon commet has come across on the app(great for news/pressers/interviews btw for those who don't have it yet). I'd like to read/listen to it if you have a link?

The only official comments i've heard are from Nagy. Nagy was "cautiously optimistic and hoping Mitch would play." He also said "we are treating it like Mack and Arob, day to day." When asked about it needing surgery, Nagy quickly and definitively said "no. No surgery." My impression was Mitch will play, but Nagy did leave enough doubt in my head that Mitch won't, especially with the Mack/Arob comment.
Dr. Chao (Former NFL head team doc 17+years Practicing orthopedic surgeon)

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sp ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks!

So he has no insider info and is basing his assessment off video and nagy’s comments? It’s great for writing an article but you can’t do a true assessment of an injury based off a short video clip. I work with soft tissue injuries on a daily basis, without performing at least some orthopedic assessment tests you really don’t know too much. So he could be right, but he just as easily could be wrong. Here’s to hoping he is wrong. So we are still at square one and only have Nagy’s comments to go off of.

He’s actually very accurate. If no surgery is needed or the bears aren’t worried Dr. Chao’s guess of stretching of the capsule/labrum or pinching/bruising of the rotator cuff sounds pretty spot on. This isn’t an injury that could worsened with playing. IMO, it’s bears staff being VERY cautious. If he thinks he can play, you gotta let the kid try.

I’m not saying he’s wrong or right. What I am saying is that without access to the patient or the test results, I personally put very little stock into what he(or anyone else without that info for that matter) says. There’s reasons why certain tests are done before diagnosing an injury and he has not performed them.

I should have been clearer and I apologize for that. For me we are still at square one and only have Nagy’s comments to go off of. You guys can chose to believe or not believe him as you see fit.

G08 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:00 pm

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Mitchell Trubisky woke up sore today and with less movement in his shoulder than expected, making it likely Chase Daniel will start Thanksgiving Day vs Lions, per source. Bears could activate QB Tyler Bray today to backup Daniel, with possibility that Trubisky now will not dress.

G08 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:00 pm

I'm fine with it... he ostensibly gets 2 bye weeks (13 full days) between NFL games in which he plays, and all it "costs him" is one game against the Lions.

Bad Flanders · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:07 pm

Boris13c wrote:whenever I hear something about "well, you can't hurt it more by playing", I think back on Jim Miller and his shoulder woes and how the Bears crack medical staff at the time said the same thing and ended up ruining his career

so if there is any question, I want Trubisky to sit, preferably in street clothes so there is no temptation to toss him in there

Miller and, by many accounts, McNown's shoulder was mishandled from the get go back then too.

tough-guy-iron-man-football-guys sells articles but it's not the reality, more now than ever. If docs say let him sit, then let him sit, even if it means a loss. One loss now is a heck of a lot better than destroying years of potential wins.

HurricaneBear · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:15 pm

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Mitchell Trubisky woke up sore today and with less movement in his shoulder than expected, making it likely Chase Daniel will start Thanksgiving Day vs Lions, per source. Bears could activate QB Tyler Bray today to backup Daniel, with possibility that Trubisky now will not dress.

If his source is correct that is discouraging to hear. And still leaves us where Nagy said, we are day to day. Let's hope he wakes up feeling better tomorrow.

Question to you, and other's with this view. Why do you see the Lions as such an easy game? On any given week they can hang with anyone. If Stafford is on this game will be very tough even if Mitch plays, let alone with an unknown like Daniels. It is in Detroit and they are coming off a big win and battling for their season. What are you seeing that makes you so confident? I for one am very nervous about this game. Help me out here if you can please with some hope.

Otis Day · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:18 pm

So it sounds as if the head first slide was more of the cause than the hit. Things like this bound to happen the more he runs.

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DaSuperfan · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:21 pm

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If his source is correct that is discouraging to hear. And still leaves us where Nagy said, we are day to day. Let's hope he wakes up feeling better tomorrow.

Question to you, and other's with this view. Why do you see the Lions as such an easy game? On any given week they can hang with anyone. If Stafford is on this game will be very tough even if Mitch plays, let alone with an unknown like Daniels. It is in Detroit and they are coming off a big win and battling for their season. What are you seeing that makes you so confident? I for one am very nervous about this game. Help me out here if you can please with some hope.

No game is an easy win in the NFL. However, the Lions will be playing without Kerryon Johnson and Marvin Jones, two key players on their offense. While the Lions had a big win last week, so did the Bears and the Bears have the better defense. Not saying we win, just saying there's a reason for some optimism even with Daniel starting. Regardless - playing 2 NFL games within an 88 hour span is going to be difficult no matter what. I actually predicted the Bears to lose this game by a FG with Trubisky playing. So we'll see if they surprise us and come out with a win.

G08 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:27 pm

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If his source is correct that is discouraging to hear. And still leaves us where Nagy said, we are day to day. Let's hope he wakes up feeling better tomorrow.

Question to you, and other's with this view. Why do you see the Lions as such an easy game? On any given week they can hang with anyone. If Stafford is on this game will be very tough even if Mitch plays, let alone with an unknown like Daniels. It is in Detroit and they are coming off a big win and battling for their season. What are you seeing that makes you so confident? I for one am very nervous about this game. Help me out here if you can please with some hope.

I shouldn't say it's an easy game, but I think we have an elite defense that can generate turnovers and harass Stafford ad nauseam. He likely will be without one of his best WRs and his best RB, so that adds to what I expect to be a dominating defensive performance.

Offensively, we HAVE to commit to running the ball, burning clock, and giving Chase some simple/rhythm throws. If Nagy comes out throwing it 30-40 times a game, we are in trouble and I'm going to question his football intelligence.

G08 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:34 pm

G08 wrote:I wonder if he sprained his AC joint...

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Mitchell Trubisky is nursing a sprained AC joint, per source. If Thursday’s game were Sunday, the Bears believe Trubisky could play and they believe he’ll be ready a week from Sunday against the NY Giants.

Bears Whiskey Nut · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:38 pm

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I'm guessing it's a lot of swelling, and inflammation.

Funkster · Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:51 pm

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Mitchell Trubisky woke up sore today and with less movement in his shoulder than expected, making it likely Chase Daniel will start Thanksgiving Day vs Lions, per source. Bears could activate QB Tyler Bray today to backup Daniel, with possibility that Trubisky now will not dress.
If his source is correct that is discouraging to hear. And still leaves us where Nagy said, we are day to day. Let's hope he wakes up feeling better tomorrow.

Question to you, and other's with this view. Why do you see the Lions as such an easy game? On any given week they can hang with anyone. If Stafford is on this game will be very tough even if Mitch plays, let alone with an unknown like Daniels. It is in Detroit and they are coming off a big win and battling for their season. What are you seeing that makes you so confident? I for one am very nervous about this game. Help me out here if you can please with some hope.

The hope is Daniels knows the system. Reality is he hasn’t taken any meaningful reps all season.

The lions aren’t a push over, this game is a big game for the divisional race.

IotaNet · Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:24 pm

HurricaneBear wrote: Question to you, and other's with this view. Why do you see the Lions as such an easy game? On any given week they can hang with anyone. If Stafford is on this game will be very tough even if Mitch plays, let alone with an unknown like Daniels. It is in Detroit and they are coming off a big win and battling for their season. What are you seeing that makes you so confident? I for one am very nervous about this game. Help me out here if you can please with some hope.

As others have said, there are no easy games in the NFL.

Having said that, I fully expect the Defense to take this game on as a personal challenge. These boys are going to strap up, strap in, and strap on -- and I expect Stafford to have a very, very bad day.

Its going to be like 1985 out there tomorrow.

Pagan · Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:58 pm

personally I could see this going down either way.

Nagy IS sneaky.. but he's also (thankfully) very cautious with injuries.. I if this "injury" is anything more than extra soreness.. I say sit him.
No brainer.

Winning or losing the Lions game is of little consequence compared to the rest of the games thereafter.

The Bears need to NOT fuck up their playoff chances by trying to "tough it out"... even if it DOES make for a great Bears are "tough as nails" kick ass story.

Put me down in the "puss out" possibly lose the next one to win the rest of the games!

Besides... with this crazy defense & a back up that knows this offense MUCH better than Mitch & a likely refocus on running Howard = The Bears most likely STILL win this Thanksgiving game anyway.

GSH · Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:13 pm

chase has got legs and a nice touch on the ball. Chase highlights reel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOcVo7H_BXo

He also made Wims look GREAT in the pre-season

Funkster · Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:24 pm

Pagan wrote:personally I could see this going down either way.

Nagy IS sneaky.. but he's also (thankfully) very cautious with injuries.. I if this "injury" is anything more than extra soreness.. I say sit him.
No brainer.

Winning or losing the Lions game is of little consequence compared to the rest of the games thereafter.

The Bears need to NOT fuck up their playoff chances by trying to "tough it out"... even if it DOES make for a great Bears are "tough as nails" kick ass story.

Put me down in the "puss out" possibly lose the next one to win the rest of the games!

Besides... with this crazy defense & a back up that knows this offense MUCH better than Mitch & a likely refocus on running Howard = The Bears most likely STILL win this Thanksgiving game anyway.

Man times have changed. Look at what Rodgers just played through, last year Wilson played through a sprained throwing shoulder and knee. If this is more than soreness, I get it but reports say that if this was a Sunday game he would play. This game is to big not to have your franchise QB at least give try to give it a go.