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Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I agree, because I don’t think Fangio will ever be a head coach. You have to think Flip has lost some momentum from last off-season though. Minnesota has underwhelmed in my opinion.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:To your point. I can guarantee you that Defillipo will get a HC job, before Fangio does.RustyTrubisky wrote:clearly based on what exactly?Mikefive wrote:He clearly desires a HC position and I pretty much agree with all you said.
anyway, it's interesting, because the bears and the colts both went out and hired hot young offensive minded coaches, and they're both tearing it up. the eagles did the same and won a superbowl. the rams did the same and are serious contenders. if anyone payed attention to the chargers they'd notice that anthony lynn is quitely doing quite well.
and then the titans, cardinals and lions went out and got themselves defensive coordinators for coaches and well, they stink.
the only recent outliers to this are gruden and shurmur, but they're both retreads. you just gotta believe that every team right now is looking for the next hotshot offensive coordinator to hire and not old man fangio no matter how well our defense is doing.
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I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmerwab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
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The NFL landscape and what teams are currently looking for has changed a lot in the last 4 years.G08 wrote:I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmerwab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
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wab wrote:The NFL landscape and what teams are currently looking for has changed a lot in the last 4 years.G08 wrote:I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmerwab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I could agree more with wab.
There will be a slew of college offense gurus in line for 1st time coaching gigs.
Fangio will simply have to settle for being hailed as this Gens Budy Ryan.
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Well if he is this Gens Buddy Ryan I sure hope he stays with us because I always wondered what would have happened after 85 Season if he had stayed.Pagan wrote:wab wrote:The NFL landscape and what teams are currently looking for has changed a lot in the last 4 years.G08 wrote:I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmerwab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I could agree more with wab.
There will be a slew of college offense gurus in line for 1st time coaching gigs.
Fangio will simply have to settle for being hailed as this Gens Budy Ryan.
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It's not completely out of mind that a team could look at Vic, but I think the amount of teams will be fairly small. Jags for instance might look for Vic to try and fix that def and hope the OC can figure out the O.
It's just basackwards thinknig b/c that OC will eventually go away for a HC job for a team that has plans or already has a young qb.
It's just basackwards thinknig b/c that OC will eventually go away for a HC job for a team that has plans or already has a young qb.
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Some team will make an offer - Jacksonville, New York (either team), possibly Green Bay (worst possible outcome), but the trend is Sean McVay/Matt Nagy/Frank Reich/Doug Pederson -- offensive minds, primarily younger guys.
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And this year Fangio proved he can work with the young guys and allow them to run that show while he runs his.UOK wrote:Some team will make an offer - Jacksonville, New York (either team), possibly Green Bay (worst possible outcome), but the trend is Sean McVay/Matt Nagy/Frank Reich/Doug Pederson -- offensive minds, primarily younger guys.
Jags are being run by their own crotchety old man in Tom Coughlin. I don't think those two have any connection other than their obvious hatred of that "hippity hop they call music today" and a love of telling people to get off their front lawns. But if anyone would be okay with bringing in an old guy it would probably be Coughlin.
And if Fangio is interested in an HC gig at all, I'm sure he knows he could do worse than the stacked deck on the defensive side of the ball in Jax.
But he'd be smarter to go somewhere with a working offense and trying to shore up a dysfunctional defense. Like what Dungy did in Indy.
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Ya know... I understand that business is business, but I kind of wonder if Fangio feels attached to this defensive unit. I mean he has been here for the tear-down and re-build into a top 5 defense... would he want to leave this job to coach the New York Jets?
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"Don Fangio, I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your introductory press conference, and I hope your first coordinator will be a defensive coordinator. I pledge my ever-ending loyalty. "
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lol good stuff.
Damn.. Now that I think of it... there IS 1 team I could see hiring Vic Fangio for their HC.
Tampa Bay.
They've got nothing but passing offense.
This is a team in Dire need of some old school running game principals & would Love to have a scary good defense again.
Damn.. Now that I think of it... there IS 1 team I could see hiring Vic Fangio for their HC.
Tampa Bay.
They've got nothing but passing offense.
This is a team in Dire need of some old school running game principals & would Love to have a scary good defense again.
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No way in the world do I see Fangio going to Green Bay as the HC. Yes, their D has been up and down (mostly down), but the problem is that they have a HOF QB who is running a relatively tired offense that doesn't get the most out of what that stud brings to the table. They want to get what they can out of HIM before he rides off into the sunset. And they're unlikely to achieve that if they hire a defensive guy.
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I love Fangio, but if he wants an HC job then let him go get one. I'd rather have him than not so maybe the Bears could make him the highest paid DC in the history of football to keep him.
That being said, with the personnel we have on defense and the quality of our offense what elite DC wouldn't want to come here?
Mike Nolan is out there....
That being said, with the personnel we have on defense and the quality of our offense what elite DC wouldn't want to come here?
Mike Nolan is out there....
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I get that coordinators want to move on from their position to take the reigns of an organization. But Fangio is 60 years old. He is considered one of the best, if not THE best DC in the league. He can become famous for the defense that he puts together in Chicago, and win a SB at the same time. There has to be SOME value to accepting WHO you are and being the VERY best that you can be at that position. Not every coordinator in the league was meant to be a HC, and that's kind of where I view Fangio. He needs to realize what his shortcomings are, and make the most of what is already a GREAT situation. Do you want to be best at your position and win a SB, or do you want to be mediocre and flail around in head coaching hell.
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I completely agree & hope this is the path that he chooses BWN!Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I get that coordinators want to move on from their position to take the reigns of an organization. But Fangio is 60 years old. He is considered one of the best, if not THE best DC in the league. He can become famous for the defense that he puts together in Chicago, and win a SB at the same time. There has to be SOME value to accepting WHO you are and being the VERY best that you can be at that position. Not every coordinator in the league was meant to be a HC, and that's kind of where I view Fangio. He needs to realize what his shortcomings are, and make the most of what is already a GREAT situation. Do you want to be best at your position and win a SB, or do you want to be mediocre and flail around in head coaching hell.
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it's funny how this is just going to be a conversation that gets rehashed every year until he finally retires. same talking points, same arguments, etc. Fangio isnt going anywhere, he's here until he retires from football or we fire him for some reason.
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I would think Green Bay, Cleveland, Jets are all looking for an offensive guy. Jacksonville, Giants, Tampa could look for a guy like him. For either defensive help, or toughening up a team.
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If McCaskey is smart. He'll hand Fangio a blank contract, and tell him to fill in the amount. Fangio needs to be the highest paid coordinator, and needs to stay with the Bears, as long as we have Khalil Mack.RustyTrubisky wrote:it's funny how this is just going to be a conversation that gets rehashed every year until he finally retires. same talking points, same arguments, etc. Fangio isnt going anywhere, he's here until he retires from football or we fire him for some reason.
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That's just silly. Good teams lose coordinators all the time. Really good ones overcome it. There are guys out there just as good that only need a chance to show it.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:If McCaskey is smart. He'll hand Fangio a blank contract, and tell him to fill in the amount. Fangio needs to be the highest paid coordinator, and needs to stay with the Bears, as long as we have Khalil Mack.RustyTrubisky wrote:it's funny how this is just going to be a conversation that gets rehashed every year until he finally retires. same talking points, same arguments, etc. Fangio isnt going anywhere, he's here until he retires from football or we fire him for some reason.
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there are also guys who have no business being a DC in this league who we wont know about until they get the chance.MoFugger wrote:That's just silly. Good teams lose coordinators all the time. Really good ones overcome it. There are guys out there just as good that only need a chance to show it.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:If McCaskey is smart. He'll hand Fangio a blank contract, and tell him to fill in the amount. Fangio needs to be the highest paid coordinator, and needs to stay with the Bears, as long as we have Khalil Mack.RustyTrubisky wrote:it's funny how this is just going to be a conversation that gets rehashed every year until he finally retires. same talking points, same arguments, etc. Fangio isnt going anywhere, he's here until he retires from football or we fire him for some reason.
i guess if i was worried about the mccaskey's ability top buy another few summer homes i'd be concerned about how much fangio makes too???
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You misspelled Saquon Barkley.KOP_Snake wrote:His defense can't even stop Eli Manning. He aint going nowhere as a head coach.