mmmc_35 wrote:I could see him getting a job, but his path is pretty narrow. He may want to stay here as the defensive HC, or he may want to be the guy. It would be a loss for the Bears, but I think anyone including Mel Tucker could keep this defensive roster in the top 10.
Please don’t ever mention this defense, and Mel Tucker, in the same post again. It is heresy. You will be burned at the stake, and your fried remains placed on a pike pole.
I don’t believe Vic cares about a head coaching job. He seems more like a guy who just likes to work without being interrupted. I don’t think he’d leave unless a coastal job opened up where he could play golf and watch baseball year round.
Vic has said he has desires to be a Head Coach, that's not something that can be debated.
He also has said he's not going to cry or think less of himself or his career if it doesn't happen.
The way the league is going, you're looking for a hot offensive mind to pair with a young QB. That's the template to winning Super Bowls the quickest. The problem with a defensive guy is IF you find a coordinator to pair with your QB, and they're setting the league on fire, that coordinator is a goner. Then what happens? New coordinator, new scheme? Or are you smart/lucky enough to keep bringing up and training coaches versed in the same scheme? And even if you are, all these schemers and game-planners don't see the game the same way.
Selfishly I hope Vic Fangio doesn't go anywhere and he's our DC for the next 10+ years... but IF it happens a part of me will be happy for the old bastid.
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Pretty much every assistant desires to be the guy. I have never heard of a coordinator wanting to coordinate their entire career. I believe if he was offered the right HC gig, he would take it. There are some guys on the D staff that could probably do a pretty good job with a good D. Donatell comes to mind immediately.
Mikefive wrote:He clearly desires a HC position and I pretty much agree with all you said.
clearly based on what exactly?
anyway, it's interesting, because the bears and the colts both went out and hired hot young offensive minded coaches, and they're both tearing it up. the eagles did the same and won a superbowl. the rams did the same and are serious contenders. if anyone payed attention to the chargers they'd notice that anthony lynn is quitely doing quite well.
and then the titans, cardinals and lions went out and got themselves defensive coordinators for coaches and well, they stink.
the only recent outliers to this are gruden and shurmur, but they're both retreads. you just gotta believe that every team right now is looking for the next hotshot offensive coordinator to hire and not old man fangio no matter how well our defense is doing.
Frank Reich is 56, he has been around awhile. McVay definitely young.
Otis Day wrote:Pretty much every assistant desires to be the guy. I have never heard of a coordinator wanting to coordinate their entire career. I believe if he was offered the right HC gig, he would take it. There are some guys on the D staff that could probably do a pretty good job with a good D. Donatell comes to mind immediately.
Oh abso-fucking-lutely -- if Fangio leaves I tell Donatell he's not going anywhere and he's being promoted to DC.
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Mikefive wrote:He clearly desires a HC position and I pretty much agree with all you said.
clearly based on what exactly?
anyway, it's interesting, because the bears and the colts both went out and hired hot young offensive minded coaches, and they're both tearing it up. the eagles did the same and won a superbowl. the rams did the same and are serious contenders. if anyone payed attention to the chargers they'd notice that anthony lynn is quitely doing quite well.
and then the titans, cardinals and lions went out and got themselves defensive coordinators for coaches and well, they stink.
the only recent outliers to this are gruden and shurmur, but they're both retreads. you just gotta believe that every team right now is looking for the next hotshot offensive coordinator to hire and not old man fangio no matter how well our defense is doing.
To your point. I can guarantee you that Defillipo will get a HC job, before Fangio does.
I agree, because I don’t think Fangio will ever be a head coach. You have to think Flip has lost some momentum from last off-season though. Minnesota has underwhelmed in my opinion.
wab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmer
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wab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmer
The NFL landscape and what teams are currently looking for has changed a lot in the last 4 years.
wab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmer
The NFL landscape and what teams are currently looking for has changed a lot in the last 4 years.
I could agree more with wab.
There will be a slew of college offense gurus in line for 1st time coaching gigs.
Fangio will simply have to settle for being hailed as this Gens Budy Ryan.
wab wrote:Fangio just isn't what teams are currently viewing as the new mold for a HC. He's an old crotchety DC. Not a young and charismatic offensive brain.
I do think however, if in the off chance he got a HC gig, the Bears D would be ok. I also think Fangio would fail spectacularly as a HC.
I see your crotchety DC and raise you one Mike Zimmer
The NFL landscape and what teams are currently looking for has changed a lot in the last 4 years.
I could agree more with wab.
There will be a slew of college offense gurus in line for 1st time coaching gigs.
Fangio will simply have to settle for being hailed as this Gens Budy Ryan.
Well if he is this Gens Buddy Ryan I sure hope he stays with us because I always wondered what would have happened after 85 Season if he had stayed.
It's not completely out of mind that a team could look at Vic, but I think the amount of teams will be fairly small. Jags for instance might look for Vic to try and fix that def and hope the OC can figure out the O.
It's just basackwards thinknig b/c that OC will eventually go away for a HC job for a team that has plans or already has a young qb.
Some team will make an offer - Jacksonville, New York (either team), possibly Green Bay (worst possible outcome), but the trend is Sean McVay/Matt Nagy/Frank Reich/Doug Pederson -- offensive minds, primarily younger guys.
UOK wrote:Some team will make an offer - Jacksonville, New York (either team), possibly Green Bay (worst possible outcome), but the trend is Sean McVay/Matt Nagy/Frank Reich/Doug Pederson -- offensive minds, primarily younger guys.
And this year Fangio proved he can work with the young guys and allow them to run that show while he runs his.
Jags are being run by their own crotchety old man in Tom Coughlin. I don't think those two have any connection other than their obvious hatred of that "hippity hop they call music today" and a love of telling people to get off their front lawns. But if anyone would be okay with bringing in an old guy it would probably be Coughlin.
And if Fangio is interested in an HC gig at all, I'm sure he knows he could do worse than the stacked deck on the defensive side of the ball in Jax.
But he'd be smarter to go somewhere with a working offense and trying to shore up a dysfunctional defense. Like what Dungy did in Indy.
Ya know... I understand that business is business, but I kind of wonder if Fangio feels attached to this defensive unit. I mean he has been here for the tear-down and re-build into a top 5 defense... would he want to leave this job to coach the New York Jets?
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No way in the world do I see Fangio going to Green Bay as the HC. Yes, their D has been up and down (mostly down), but the problem is that they have a HOF QB who is running a relatively tired offense that doesn't get the most out of what that stud brings to the table. They want to get what they can out of HIM before he rides off into the sunset. And they're unlikely to achieve that if they hire a defensive guy.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".
I love Fangio, but if he wants an HC job then let him go get one. I'd rather have him than not so maybe the Bears could make him the highest paid DC in the history of football to keep him.
That being said, with the personnel we have on defense and the quality of our offense what elite DC wouldn't want to come here?