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I never doubted for a minute that we were going to win that game until the very end. It was all right there for the taking. First half offense played like shit yet the game was still winnable. Foles throwing up high arc balls ripe for an INT. Roquan's pick. The defense playing lights out. I don't fault the defense for that last drive. One drive out of an entire game. Whatever. The offense needs to contribute too. Biscuit just willing that team downfield. I'll never forget that. We have our QB. That's our guy.

I'm still pissed. It's going to be with me for awhile.

Looking forward, I hope Fangio gets an HC job if he wants one. It's only fair to him. Assuming Bowles is going to TB I'm up for Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan, but whoever it is I want an established name. I'm excited as hell for next season and this season should only be the beginning of a 3 to 4 year run.
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malk wrote:
wab wrote:Looking back objectively, the OL was pretty average overall all season.
Surprisingly good in pass pro and surprisingly bad in run blocking I figure. Leno looked off on Sunday to my naked eye. Without draft picks I don't know how we turn it around quickly, unless Coward really pans out.
I think this is worth it's own thread honestly. Was it that the Bears were bad in run blocking, or was it that Nagy was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? It's possible that the Bears OL gave the impression of bad run blocking when they were forced to power block for Jordan Howard, or even Tarik Cohen for that matter. It seemed that the running game got better in the last four games, not because the blocking got better, but that Nagy moved to almost 80% zone run scheme. Yes?
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BearFan85 wrote:Getting a finger skinning the football is not a block in my book sorry Parkey still missed it. High School, College and Pro's still try to get their kicker in the middle of the field which is the reason I asked. Seems not that important till its missed unfortunately.
The NFL can officially record it as a partial block if they like but that would belie some facts.

1) Parkey himself has admitted he was playing for a left to right cross wind so his line was intentionally to the left of center. I'm not certain being in the center of the field would have changed that. His aim was to the left anyway.

2) The end zone camera shot clearly shows Parkey's leg cutting across the parallel plane to the goal posts so he did also pull the kick to the left just as he has pushed other kicks right. His basic technique has been very inconsistent all season long and his kicks seldom split the uprights.

Now.....one more final footnote for the more forgiving souls among us that should be mentioned before leaving it be.

During Parkey's 2016 with Cleveland he made just 20 of 25 FG attempts (80%) but of even more interest is all five of his misses came on kicks between 40-49 yards and......three of them hit an upright.

So.....this is not as quirky as it may seem. Parkey obviously has an accuracy problem on kicks of 40 yards or greater and for some reason his kicks are somehow magically attracted to goal posts. That's 9 kicks in two seasons that failed due to hitting an upright.

That's not a coincidence it's the sign of a consistently inaccurate PK who really doesn't know where the ball is going when it leaves his foot. I'm not willing to excuse that and I'm hoping Pace and Nagy won't either.
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Moving this to the Parkey thread.
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britbear wrote:I think you are selling them short and I cannot see the game being that low scoring. Sure, there is poetry in Bears v Eagles, Nagy v Pederson and all the rest. But I would have preferred the Vikes and Philly does scare me with Foles at the helm. All it takes is for our D to come out flat and we could be in trouble.

It's going to be a lot closer than any of us would like and after the game (which over here will end close to 1 am - please God, no overtime!) I'll somehow need to wind down to get some sleep before work in the morning. Might be a bit tricky...

I'm not making any predictions. I'm just hoping for a Bears win.
He's saying the Bears will score 7-14 points more than the Eagles, he didn't say what the score would be, or that it would be low scoring.
Correct. I thought the Bears would win by 7-14, not by a score of 14-7. Obviously I was wrong. I did sell the Eagles short a bit, but they still didn't exactly wow me. In the end we didn't play well enough to win.
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Mikefive wrote:And for the record, what they said in the 2nd half about the Miller catch at the 6... if true... is utterly stupid. What they said was that in the case of a review, on a play where a ball was declared incomplete, but was really complete and a fumble that nobody recovered, then in that case since they can't tell who would've recovered, it just goes as incomplete.

First of all, to have a technicality like that seems pretty improbable to me. But assuming that fine print is in there, then what they're saying is that the goal of plays that go to review isn't necessarily to get the correct call. And in circumstances like this one, it's to call the play differently than it should've been called in the first place.

As I suggested in my earlier post about this, the correct call was a catch and a fumble which was blown dead before recovery by an inadvertant whistle. The correct ruling in that case is to give the ball back to the team that last possessed it at the point of the fumble.

To say that because of the review the play should have a different set of rules apply to it is a ridiculous travesty.
Absolutely on everything here. It's fucking dumb that the NFL had this technicality. It may well have cost us a TD and indirectly lost us the game.
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bearsfaninaz wrote:Apparently the kick was tipped, but idc parkey needs to go. Draft pick or UDFA
A decent fucking kicker would never put the ball in harms way from the 43 fucking yard line. That’s a chip shot for good kickers. High launch angle, away from the possibility of a block.


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I get the frustration with Parkey, but 43 yards isn't a chip shot IMO. Should he have made the kick? Yeah. But it wasn't a 20-yarder.
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Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
When he got up he looked at the ref running over to ball blowing whistle and washing incomplete. I can't imagine anyone doing anything differently. Though now that it happened people will change. Sadly it effected our game.
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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
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KOP_Snake wrote: You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
Just be glad the ball was ripped out parallel to the LOS.

A fumble through and out of the back of the endzone would have been ruled a touchback for the Eagles... no clear recovery needed since there is a specific rule for offensive fumble through the endzone.


D'oh... turns out I was wrong on that. It would still have been ruled incomplete if the fumble went out of the endzone on a challenged play where the initial call was incomplete.
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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
That's patently incorrect.
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I looked up what I could on this. Here's what I found.

From the 2018 NFL Rulebook...
Rule 7. Dead Ball... Section 2. Article 1
m. when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
2. If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
The above shows that the rule is that the offensive team gets the ball where last possessed by Miller. And it says absolutely clearly that a whistle means it's a dead ball. Period.

Rule 15. Officials and Instant Replay, Section 2, Article 5.
If an on-field ruling of a dead ball (down by contact, out of bounds, or incomplete forward pass) is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering player at the spot of the recovery, and any advance is nullified.
This rule is unclear, since it doesn't address reversed incomplete with whistle during fumble.

This is a key element from a book called the "Instant Replay Casebook", which I couldn't find online...
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This justifies the ruling of incomplete. Note that this rule doesn't change rule 7.2.1.m above that says it's a dead ball based on the "incomplete" whistle, which then can't be recovered. But what this really does is demonstrate that the NFL is making a travesty of the game by having different rules for the same play, one rule if a circumstance is called correctly on the field and another if the play is called wrong initially and replayed.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".

Go back to leather helmets, NFL.
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wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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wab wrote:wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
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G08 wrote:
wab wrote:wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
It 100% will be all about how he's using his faith to overcome this moment.

I hope they cut him that morning and he can explain to the world how faith will help him persevere through why no NFL team will sign him next season.
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I'm not gonna knock a guy for his faith, but yeah...he can fuck off.
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I think I would be just asking for permission to practice at soldier field every extra minute in the offseason if the team intends to keep me and keep my mouth shut vs going on the interview tour.
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Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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wab wrote:Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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wab wrote:Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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Not sure I get his reasoning behind a national interview. How many more times can he say I'm sorry I fucked up.

To me the real issue here, and what Pace and Nagy have to consider, is that this wasn't just one bad kick. It was an entire season and preseason of bad kicks and his also his worst year as far as KOR average by a long shot, 24.9 yards. IMHO the bottom line is he is nowhere near the kicker he was as a rookie in Philly and his career year in Miami may be the real outlier not 2018.

In addition to Parkey's seven misses during the regular season and one in the playoffs he was just 8/11/72.7% in preseason and already we began to worry a bit whether or not this kid was any better than Barth or others we've given a shot to. Overall he was 34/45/75.6% in 2018 so nothing improved much if at all during the regular season.

We sent Gould packing after an 84.6% year because Fox said he no longer trusted him and even after shopping the best we could sign in FA we get Parkey's 75.6%. So far he's another Connor Barth but a far more costly one.

It actually gets worse when we review his career stats.

Parkey has made 65 of 70 FGs from 20-39 yards in his career. Nearly 93% accurate. But between 40-49 yards he's just 27 of 39 and only 69.2% accurate. So in a way his "double doink" from 43 yards seems almost pre-destined.

I don't have the yardage figures on all of his goal post collisions. Someone else may know. But I do know and have posted that he had these very same issues in Cleveland where he managed only 80% accuracy and hit the upright on 3 out of 5 misses. So I'd be curious to know how many of his "doinks" came on 40 yard or greater kicks.

Here he's been "wide right" on most of his misses including the "doinks" and from watching him I could see that his kicks naturally tail to the right as they travel. They don't hook back towards center as many soccer style kicks do. His kicks seldom split the uprights but up to a certain distance his natural "slice" still makes it.....until when past 40 yards it doesn't.

His inaccuracy is almost like he only has half the width of the uprights to work with. If he allows for his slice he can pull the ball as he did Sunday and miss left. And if he aims dead center and the ball drifts right each time he struggles with 40 yard plus kicks. The bottom line is beyond 39 yards he's not a very accurate PK at all.

I dunno. Pace and Nagy could say it's just bad luck but the facts tell a different story.
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Parkey doesn't seem to drive the ball like most competent kickers in the league. If he tries to really put his foot into it, its like he over cooks his body, hitting it low and left. If he tries not to over cook it, then he literally blocks it high right. Not unlike golf.
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Mikefive wrote:I looked up what I could on this. Here's what I found.

From the 2018 NFL Rulebook...
Rule 7. Dead Ball... Section 2. Article 1
m. when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
2. If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
The above shows that the rule is that the offensive team gets the ball where last possessed by Miller. And it says absolutely clearly that a whistle means it's a dead ball. Period.

Rule 15. Officials and Instant Replay, Section 2, Article 5.
If an on-field ruling of a dead ball (down by contact, out of bounds, or incomplete forward pass) is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering player at the spot of the recovery, and any advance is nullified.
This rule is unclear, since it doesn't address reversed incomplete with whistle during fumble.

This is a key element from a book called the "Instant Replay Casebook", which I couldn't find online...
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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This justifies the ruling of incomplete. Note that this rule doesn't change rule 7.2.1.m above that says it's a dead ball based on the "incomplete" whistle, which then can't be recovered. But what this really does is demonstrate that the NFL is making a travesty of the game by having different rules for the same play, one rule if a circumstance is called correctly on the field and another if the play is called wrong initially and replayed.

So as a player... You pick up the ball. Period. Only bad or neutral things can happen if you don't.


I'm not saying go nuts after every whistle, but Miller had to have it in his head "I caught that for a sec" and didn't act on it. That falls on coaching too.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Parkey doesn't seem to drive the ball like most competent kickers in the league. If he tries to really put his foot into it, its like he over cooks his body, hitting it low and left. If he tries not to over cook it, then he literally blocks it high right. Not unlike golf.
Exactly. He has a natural slice which will always been an issue if he can't correct it and it's obvious all of the added practice did not do it. It's a technique issue he needs to figure out and he hasn't.

I gotta be honest. From the very first time I saw him kick I though oh crap we signed another Barth. I was hoping I was wrong but I don't feel that I was. You've nailed all of what I've seen as well.
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Hard to believe the Bears will just eat his expensive contract and cut him.

We are in a bad position here.

I am already worried about next year.
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