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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:17 pm 
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Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.


You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:56 pm 
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You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.


Just be glad the ball was ripped out parallel to the LOS.

A fumble through and out of the back of the endzone would have been ruled a touchback for the Eagles... no clear recovery needed since there is a specific rule for offensive fumble through the endzone.


D'oh... turns out I was wrong on that. It would still have been ruled incomplete if the fumble went out of the endzone on a challenged play where the initial call was incomplete.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:12 pm 
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KOP_Snake wrote:
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Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.


You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
That's patently incorrect.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:57 pm 
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I looked up what I could on this. Here's what I found.

From the 2018 NFL Rulebook...
Rule 7. Dead Ball... Section 2. Article 1
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m. when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
2. If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
The above shows that the rule is that the offensive team gets the ball where last possessed by Miller. And it says absolutely clearly that a whistle means it's a dead ball. Period.

Rule 15. Officials and Instant Replay, Section 2, Article 5.
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If an on-field ruling of a dead ball (down by contact, out of bounds, or incomplete forward pass) is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering player at the spot of the recovery, and any advance is nullified.
This rule is unclear, since it doesn't address reversed incomplete with whistle during fumble.

This is a key element from a book called the "Instant Replay Casebook", which I couldn't find online...
https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/stat ... 1257510913
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This justifies the ruling of incomplete. Note that this rule doesn't change rule 7.2.1.m above that says it's a dead ball based on the "incomplete" whistle, which then can't be recovered. But what this really does is demonstrate that the NFL is making a travesty of the game by having different rules for the same play, one rule if a circumstance is called correctly on the field and another if the play is called wrong initially and replayed.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 am 
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wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.

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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.


It 100% will be all about how he's using his faith to overcome this moment.

I hope they cut him that morning and he can explain to the world how faith will help him persevere through why no NFL team will sign him next season.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 am 
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I'm not gonna knock a guy for his faith, but yeah...he can fuck off.


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I think I would be just asking for permission to practice at soldier field every extra minute in the offseason if the team intends to keep me and keep my mouth shut vs going on the interview tour.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:00 am 
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Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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