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Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:17 pm

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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:56 pm

KOP_Snake wrote: You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
Just be glad the ball was ripped out parallel to the LOS.

A fumble through and out of the back of the endzone would have been ruled a touchback for the Eagles... no clear recovery needed since there is a specific rule for offensive fumble through the endzone.


D'oh... turns out I was wrong on that. It would still have been ruled incomplete if the fumble went out of the endzone on a challenged play where the initial call was incomplete.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:12 pm

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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
That's patently incorrect.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:57 pm

I looked up what I could on this. Here's what I found.

From the 2018 NFL Rulebook...
Rule 7. Dead Ball... Section 2. Article 1
m. when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
2. If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
The above shows that the rule is that the offensive team gets the ball where last possessed by Miller. And it says absolutely clearly that a whistle means it's a dead ball. Period.

Rule 15. Officials and Instant Replay, Section 2, Article 5.
If an on-field ruling of a dead ball (down by contact, out of bounds, or incomplete forward pass) is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering player at the spot of the recovery, and any advance is nullified.
This rule is unclear, since it doesn't address reversed incomplete with whistle during fumble.

This is a key element from a book called the "Instant Replay Casebook", which I couldn't find online...
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This justifies the ruling of incomplete. Note that this rule doesn't change rule 7.2.1.m above that says it's a dead ball based on the "incomplete" whistle, which then can't be recovered. But what this really does is demonstrate that the NFL is making a travesty of the game by having different rules for the same play, one rule if a circumstance is called correctly on the field and another if the play is called wrong initially and replayed.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 am

wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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wab wrote:wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:25 am

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wab wrote:wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
It 100% will be all about how he's using his faith to overcome this moment.

I hope they cut him that morning and he can explain to the world how faith will help him persevere through why no NFL team will sign him next season.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 am

I'm not gonna knock a guy for his faith, but yeah...he can fuck off.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:36 am

I think I would be just asking for permission to practice at soldier field every extra minute in the offseason if the team intends to keep me and keep my mouth shut vs going on the interview tour.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:00 am

Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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wab wrote:Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:41 pm

wab wrote:Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:17 pm

Riddle me this Cody, God doesn't exist, yet he still hates you.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:33 am

Not sure I get his reasoning behind a national interview. How many more times can he say I'm sorry I fucked up.

To me the real issue here, and what Pace and Nagy have to consider, is that this wasn't just one bad kick. It was an entire season and preseason of bad kicks and his also his worst year as far as KOR average by a long shot, 24.9 yards. IMHO the bottom line is he is nowhere near the kicker he was as a rookie in Philly and his career year in Miami may be the real outlier not 2018.

In addition to Parkey's seven misses during the regular season and one in the playoffs he was just 8/11/72.7% in preseason and already we began to worry a bit whether or not this kid was any better than Barth or others we've given a shot to. Overall he was 34/45/75.6% in 2018 so nothing improved much if at all during the regular season.

We sent Gould packing after an 84.6% year because Fox said he no longer trusted him and even after shopping the best we could sign in FA we get Parkey's 75.6%. So far he's another Connor Barth but a far more costly one.

It actually gets worse when we review his career stats.

Parkey has made 65 of 70 FGs from 20-39 yards in his career. Nearly 93% accurate. But between 40-49 yards he's just 27 of 39 and only 69.2% accurate. So in a way his "double doink" from 43 yards seems almost pre-destined.

I don't have the yardage figures on all of his goal post collisions. Someone else may know. But I do know and have posted that he had these very same issues in Cleveland where he managed only 80% accuracy and hit the upright on 3 out of 5 misses. So I'd be curious to know how many of his "doinks" came on 40 yard or greater kicks.

Here he's been "wide right" on most of his misses including the "doinks" and from watching him I could see that his kicks naturally tail to the right as they travel. They don't hook back towards center as many soccer style kicks do. His kicks seldom split the uprights but up to a certain distance his natural "slice" still makes it.....until when past 40 yards it doesn't.

His inaccuracy is almost like he only has half the width of the uprights to work with. If he allows for his slice he can pull the ball as he did Sunday and miss left. And if he aims dead center and the ball drifts right each time he struggles with 40 yard plus kicks. The bottom line is beyond 39 yards he's not a very accurate PK at all.

I dunno. Pace and Nagy could say it's just bad luck but the facts tell a different story.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:56 am

Parkey doesn't seem to drive the ball like most competent kickers in the league. If he tries to really put his foot into it, its like he over cooks his body, hitting it low and left. If he tries not to over cook it, then he literally blocks it high right. Not unlike golf.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:55 pm

Mikefive wrote:I looked up what I could on this. Here's what I found.

From the 2018 NFL Rulebook...
Rule 7. Dead Ball... Section 2. Article 1
m. when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
2. If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
The above shows that the rule is that the offensive team gets the ball where last possessed by Miller. And it says absolutely clearly that a whistle means it's a dead ball. Period.

Rule 15. Officials and Instant Replay, Section 2, Article 5.
If an on-field ruling of a dead ball (down by contact, out of bounds, or incomplete forward pass) is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering player at the spot of the recovery, and any advance is nullified.
This rule is unclear, since it doesn't address reversed incomplete with whistle during fumble.

This is a key element from a book called the "Instant Replay Casebook", which I couldn't find online...
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This justifies the ruling of incomplete. Note that this rule doesn't change rule 7.2.1.m above that says it's a dead ball based on the "incomplete" whistle, which then can't be recovered. But what this really does is demonstrate that the NFL is making a travesty of the game by having different rules for the same play, one rule if a circumstance is called correctly on the field and another if the play is called wrong initially and replayed.

So as a player... You pick up the ball. Period. Only bad or neutral things can happen if you don't.


I'm not saying go nuts after every whistle, but Miller had to have it in his head "I caught that for a sec" and didn't act on it. That falls on coaching too.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:06 am

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Parkey doesn't seem to drive the ball like most competent kickers in the league. If he tries to really put his foot into it, its like he over cooks his body, hitting it low and left. If he tries not to over cook it, then he literally blocks it high right. Not unlike golf.
Exactly. He has a natural slice which will always been an issue if he can't correct it and it's obvious all of the added practice did not do it. It's a technique issue he needs to figure out and he hasn't.

I gotta be honest. From the very first time I saw him kick I though oh crap we signed another Barth. I was hoping I was wrong but I don't feel that I was. You've nailed all of what I've seen as well.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:15 am

Hard to believe the Bears will just eat his expensive contract and cut him.

We are in a bad position here.

I am already worried about next year.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:43 am

Man, the Bears should be playing this weekend.

Somehow instead the team is already both feet into the offseason with a new DC.

Argh!
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm

I'm saddened again today. I'm watching these playoff games and the Bears can play with any of these teams. Image
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Yes..and watching kickers actually not hit the poles with regularity.. I think Saints will be the tough match..
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:35 am

Anyone watch the “Cody Parkey field goal challenge”?
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Mikefive wrote:I'm saddened again today. I'm watching these playoff games and the Bears can play with any of these teams. Image
Me too. I'm just not watching football until the Super Bowl. I can't do it. I'm focusing on other things. True Detective is coming back on HBO with a new season so I got HBO this morning to keep for a few months so I'll enjoy some of the movies on there and do shit around the house.

We should be fucking playing this weekend. Dammit.

But hey, the future has rarely looked brighter for this franchise. Looking forward to August and September.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:35 am

This week sucked. I guess for me is as I get older, it seems like the seasons go so fast, and the off-season seems to last forever.
I am proud of the season my team had. But to lose by one point on a missed kick? I did not watch a moment of football on Saturday, and only casually watched three of the eight quarters played today.
Oh well. Time that you're against the Patriots and dust off the fishing poles.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:22 am

This is one sucky time of year. You get in your car and all Bears talk has vaporized. Now it's all NBA... blah, blah, blah... Baseball's coming... blah, blah, blah. I should just put music on, but I'm a non-fiction entertainment guy. Other Chicago talk radio.... meh.Image
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Mikefive wrote:I'm saddened again today. I'm watching these playoff games and the Bears can play with any of these teams. Image
Me too. I'm just not watching football until the Super Bowl. I can't do it. I'm focusing on other things. True Detective is coming back on HBO with a new season so I got HBO this morning to keep for a few months so I'll enjoy some of the movies on there and do shit around the house.

We should be fucking playing this weekend. Dammit.

But hey, the future has rarely looked brighter for this franchise. Looking forward to August and September.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:50 am

Watching some hockey, taking a conceal carry class, checking out some new old music, funk, checking out new blues artists as well. I will listen to the SCORE if they are talking football. When they start talking about anything else it goes off. Hopefully hit up some local high school bball this weekend. Have not dug into reading a book yet, still not there patience wise yet.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:41 pm

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Mikefive wrote:I'm saddened again today. I'm watching these playoff games and the Bears can play with any of these teams. Image
Me too. I'm just not watching football until the Super Bowl. I can't do it. I'm focusing on other things. True Detective is coming back on HBO with a new season so I got HBO this morning to keep for a few months so I'll enjoy some of the movies on there and do shit around the house.

We should be fucking playing this weekend. Dammit.

But hey, the future has rarely looked brighter for this franchise. Looking forward to August and September.
First two episodes were DOPE!
Heck yeah they were awesome! I think this is going to be another great season hopefully on par with season 1.
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