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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:28 pm 
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I've been trying to take a step back from the Pace/Nagy press conference and consider what I saw. But I'm kinda confused.

First, you have Cody Parkey getting undressed by a clearly pissed Matt Nagy for his Today Show appearance. He described it as a "me" and not a "we" thing.

I didn't see the show and can't find it on youtube. But what I've heard is that he came off as polite, thoughtful and religious. His most notable quote from the show was, "football is what I do, not who I am." While I agree that it probably wasn't the best choice to do that show, they clearly asked him to appear and it's easy to imagine why he might like to show the world that he's a human being who lives by his faith. And while we fans probably didn't like that statement very well, that sentence arguably applies to every NFL player, even they wouldn't all admit it.

I guess it's not so clear why that was such a horrific "me" thing that it deserved a clear public calling out, but Akiem Hicks going on Peter King's show the week before wasn't. Or perhaps Nagy was never asked about that, so he didn't negatively comment on it?

Then some minutes later in the same press conference, when a Kareem Hunt was brought up, Nagy went out of his way to point out that he had contacted Hunt and was concerned about the person. Yet there was neither a mention, nor a negative feeling expressed about the fact that he had completely lied to his team about his much publicized hotel incident that got him cut from the Chiefs, which one would think would generate a rather emotional response in his former coach. It's a quite interesting reaction, considering it would've been perfectly appropriate for Bears brass to respond to Hunt questions by saying, "not interested" or "no comment."

Are the response differences more related to performance than to the crime?

And was the Kareem Hunt response a method of measuring public reaction to the idea of bringing him in?

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I've been trying to take a step back from the Pace/Nagy press conference and consider what I saw. But I'm kinda confused.

First, you have Cody Parkey getting undressed by a clearly pissed Matt Nagy for his Today Show appearance. He described it as a "me" and not a "we" thing.

I didn't see the show and can't find it on youtube. But what I've heard is that he came off as polite, thoughtful and religious. His most notable quote from the show was, "football is what I do, not who I am." While I agree that it probably wasn't the best choice to do that show, they clearly asked him to appear and it's easy to imagine why he might like to show the world that he's a human being who lives by his faith. And while we fans probably didn't like that statement very well, that sentence arguably applies to every NFL player, even they wouldn't all admit it.

I guess it's not so clear why that was such a horrific "me" thing that it deserved a clear public calling out, but Akiem Hicks going on Peter King's show the week before wasn't. Or perhaps Nagy was never asked about that, so he didn't negatively comment on it?

Then some minutes later in the same press conference, when a Kareem Hunt was brought up, Nagy went out of his way to point out that he had contacted Hunt and was concerned about the person. Yet there was neither a mention, nor a negative feeling expressed about the fact that he had completely lied to his team about his much publicized hotel incident that got him cut from the Chiefs, which one would think would generate a rather emotional response in his former coach. It's a quite interesting reaction, considering it would've been perfectly appropriate for Bears brass to respond to Hunt questions by saying, "not interested" or "no comment."

Are the response differences more related to performance than to the crime?

And was the Kareem Hunt response a method of measuring public reaction to the idea of bringing him in?


Parkey had been pissing off Nagy all year. With his missed kicks, with his unwillingness to practice at Soldier Field, etc. I think that first and foremost Nagy is a football coach. He had been stressing this whole, "we win as a team, and we lose as a team" ALL YEAR LONG, and then Parkey, after fucking the Bears out of their playoff game, went on National TV and said, "this is just what I do." All the while, the players who had been slogging it out in the trenches all year, playing hurt, going through a rigorous NFL season were left sitting with their dicks in their hands. It was bullshit. I'd be pissed too.

Regarding Kareem Hunt. That was a weather balloon. I think that they expected the question to be asked. Nagy was honest. Said he talked to him about his life and how he was doing, and nothing about football. Pace backed it up with, we're nowhere near the step of engaging Kareem Hunt yet. I would be really surprised if they went out and got him.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:37 pm 
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Hunt fills a huge need for our offense... he'll do it cheap and it won't cost us a draft pick (which is huge considering we have a 3, 4, 5, and 7. I don't know if we get Philly's 7th for Deiondre Hall).

I think Nagy and the franchise could very easily save face and say they don't condone what Hunt did but they do believe in giving a young man a second chance. Nagy could say that he believes in Hunt but that it's up to the young player to make the most of this opportunity he is being given.

If the kid is stupid enough to mess up then the Bears can cut bait and Nagy can flat out say that he gave the kid a chance to turn his career and life around and the kid failed and now is likely out of the league for good.

SOME team is going to give Kareem Hunt a shot, why not us? He fits a glaring need, has experience in the system, and most importantly has had SUCCESS in the system. Howard's contract is up after the 2019-2020 season, I'd absolutely do it.

Roethlisberger has two rape accusations but nobody dares talk about it; he crashed his motorcycle as well and almost ruined his career. Tyreek Hill admitted guilt to choking his girlfriend, etc.

The key to the media spin here will be not saying that the Bears and Nagy KNOW Hunt has turned his life around, it's that they want to GIVE HIM A CHANCE to do so. That hedge is huge because if he fails, you can save face by saying you tried to give a kid a second chance. "But the video is horrendous" is what the media will say, Nagy and the Bears can say they agree, and they don't approve of his behavior but they want to give him a second chance to turn his life around. The proverbial ball is now in his court and what he does with this opportunity is up to him.

Could you imagine this offense with a running game and dynamic threat in Kareem Hunt? The kid is 23 freaking years old right now... if you ask me I'll argue he's the final piece to this team being a Super Bowl contender...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:35 am 
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As far as I'm concerned Parkey already screwed the pooch when he whined about making 87% of his kicks this year which made him the third worst PK in the NFL despite being one of the highest paid. IMHO he's gone. It's only a matter of when.

As it stands I'm opposed to signing Hunt. That may change if the circumstances surrounding his behavior are somewhat different than what's been reported but even then I doubt the McCaskey's will bless this after the Ray McDonald fiasco.


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I think they will bring in competition for Parkey, but they will still try to salvage the contract.

I think Nagy will say ok, here is the competition and if you miss, if you are worse, if you fuck up you are gone. This will be in an attempt to put as much pressure as possible on Parkey to see if he is salvageable or if he is screwed between the ears. Best case is he settles in and becomes solid like he has been at times in the past. Worst case they have capable competition to replace him and eat the contract.

I see the argument that how could you ever trust him but kickers are just weird. Pretty much the mass majority wanted Robbie gone after two subpar seasons, then he waits half a season for someone to get hurt, kicks well and doesn't look back. This was after two statistically bad years mind you.

As far as Hunt goes I think they were just leaving the door open but I kind of doubt they bring him in just due to the press shitstorm and it really isn't a position of need for the team. Now if they were to say, trade Howard I would look for them to bring in Hunt and draft another back.


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I’d welcome Kareem Hunt to the team, but not at the expense of Jordan. If he were to take Benny’s spot at #3, I’d be all for it. He’ll probably be suspeded once he signs with somebody, so probably won’t be battling for first team reps anyway.


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Like everything else it also boils down to winning. Some coachs, GMs etc put up better window dressing than others, but winning is the bottom line. Parkey directly didnt help us win. Hunt would help us win. Its the bottom line and therefor they will make the necessary excuses.

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Umbali wrote:
Like everything else it also boils down to winning. Some coachs, GMs etc put up better window dressing than others, but winning is the bottom line. Parkey directly didnt help us win. Hunt would help us win. Its the bottom line and therefor they will make the necessary excuses.


Agreed.

Nagy is definitely being philosophically inconsistent here, but "Parkey directly didnt help us win. Hunt would help us win." is exactly correct.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:52 am 
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Don't really want to divert the topic, because it's a good discussion to have and I'd like to hear other views on my original post.

But I was thinking about what signing Hunt would look like. He is probably considered a guy with 2 years in the league. So if I'm signing him (and assuming there isn't competition that gives him a longer option), it looks like it would be one year at probably a fairly nominal amount for an all pro, maybe $2M with no bonus which encourages him to stay clean in order to continue getting paychecks. And then if he makes it thru the year, he's a RFA, which you can re-sign for another year at less than $3M with a 1st and 3rd round tender (old rules?). After that or during that season, you go for a longer term deal if he has lived up to his end of it.

Help me out if my assumptions aren't right with the new CBA.

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Not sure how it would be structured but for me I would do it as heavy on incentives with club options and clauses regarding behavior

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