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Re: Update: Denver/Fangio agree to 4yr deal - Bears need a D

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:30 pm

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Buccaneers just worked out off-set language on Todd Bowles' contract with the Jets, and so Tampa Bay does have the new defensive coordinator it expected to land, per @mortreport.
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Re: Update: Denver/Fangio agree to 4yr deal - Bears need a D

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:31 pm

This news pleases me greatly! Bowles would be my top choice. Unless $ offered is the factor for him, I think he has a choice between being handed a broken down car with 2 good parts out of 11 and the job of rebuilding it before another coaching change happens, or being handed the keys to a new Lambo. Hopefully he will see it that way as well. If we cannot get Bowels, I like Donatell fine. It would provide continuity at minimum. Greg Williams has the talent, and I wouldn't be against it, but I am not certain his personality meshes right with what Nagy is building.

I'm happy for Vic to get his dream, but sad for him that Elway is such a control freak. He gets to be head coach...mostly. I think in the end Vic will have issues with Elway.
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Re: Update: Denver/Fangio agree to 4yr deal - Bears need a D

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:35 pm

Not terribly surprised that Bowles stuck with his agreement.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:40 pm

If it's not going to be Bowles, it makes sense to look for other Saints (Pace) or Eagles/Chiefs connections. Gregg Williams fits that mold, though the whole BountyGate thing with the Saints might be enough to quash that. He's a little overrated, in my view, but could conceivably fill the Vic Fangio role of curmudgeon who knows how to whip the D into shape.

Mike Caldwell (Todd Bowles' asst head coach/ILB coach with the Jets) is probably in limbo right now, but appears to still be under contract. He'd need permission to make a lateral move (the NFL typically considers all asst coach positions to be at the same level). Importantly, you'd be projecting — he's not been in a coordinator role before.

One guy who has both Saints and Chiefs connections? Gary Gibbs. He's older (66), but has DC experience, knows people with the Bears, and isn't currently under NFL contract (is a "defensive analyst" with Okla St).
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Re: Update: Denver/Fangio agree to 4yr deal - Bears need a D

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:43 pm

wab wrote:Not terribly surprised that Bowles stuck with his agreement.
Darn...just saw it
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Per source.. Bowles had told Arians he would be his DC. When Bears gig came open he had second thoughts as Bears job is better. Final decision was he didn’t want to go back on his word to Arians. Says a lot about his character
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:03 pm

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Per source.. Bowles had told Arians he would be his DC. When Bears gig came open he had second thoughts as Bears job is better. Final decision was he didn’t want to go back on his word to Arians. Says a lot about his character
todd bowles watching khalil mack play next year:

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:13 pm

Nice to see some guys still have integrity though, makes me kind of admire the dude all the more.

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Update: Denver/Fangio agree to 4yr deal - Bears need a DC

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:22 pm

Otis Day wrote:If the Bears D had middling talent I would be worried, but with the talent they have I am sure Nagy has guys in mind if Vic is gone. I think the D will be alright. Not sweating anything.
I think we got lucky fangio stayed around for a year. Nagy now has seen what works with our defense and what type of guy needs to lead them. Nagy had a year to just focus on offense in his first year and Not worry about Defense. I expect Nagy has a better standard today tha. He would have a year ago with NO D.C in his 1st year...

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:37 pm

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Per source.. Bowles had told Arians he would be his DC. When Bears gig came open he had second thoughts as Bears job is better. Final decision was he didn’t want to go back on his word to Arians. Says a lot about his character
todd bowles watching khalil mack play next year:

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HAHA! Totally. Arians made it sound through the press like, "don't you dare fucking back out on me Todd."
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:26 pm

They turn that franchise around and Arian retires, Bowles is a head coach again.
I am a big fan of Todd, and I wish it would have worked out. But I don't blame him one bit. He kept his word to the guy that put his name on the map.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:50 pm

MoFugger wrote:They turn that franchise around and Arian retires, Bowles is a head coach again.
I am a big fan of Todd, and I wish it would have worked out. But I don't blame him one bit. He kept his word to the guy that put his name on the map.
Exactly. Sucks for us, but it isn't like the cupboard is bare and the position wouldn't be a springboard for a recently fired or displaced DC candidate. But need to look at who might be the next man up if the DC we hire gets an offer next offseason, which makes it tougher.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:31 pm

I tried to watch part of an interview that he did with the Jeff Joniak counterpart in Denver.

Oh, Vic. You are SO, SO awkward. I love the guy. He was a phenomenal DC in Chicago, SF, etc. He just doesn't seem to have the personality, savvy, or salesmanship to be a head coach. As a head coach, you have to sell your players on what you're doing, and why. Vic is a mad scientist type, with beakers and bunsen burners, cooking up evil defensive schemes. He's not a head coach. *SIGH*.

I'm still happy for him. I just don't see this going very well.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:13 pm

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I tried to watch part of an interview that he did with the Jeff Joniak counterpart in Denver.

Oh, Vic. You are SO, SO awkward. I love the guy. He was a phenomenal DC in Chicago, SF, etc. He just doesn't seem to have the personality, savvy, or salesmanship to be a head coach. As a head coach, you have to sell your players on what you're doing, and why. Vic is a mad scientist type, with beakers and bunsen burners, cooking up evil defensive schemes. He's not a head coach. *SIGH*.

I'm still happy for him. I just don't see this going very well.
Oh it’s gonna be an epic dumpster fire. But still, he chased his dream and you can’t be mad at that.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I tried to watch part of an interview that he did with the Jeff Joniak counterpart in Denver.

Oh, Vic. You are SO, SO awkward. I love the guy. He was a phenomenal DC in Chicago, SF, etc. He just doesn't seem to have the personality, savvy, or salesmanship to be a head coach. As a head coach, you have to sell your players on what you're doing, and why. Vic is a mad scientist type, with beakers and bunsen burners, cooking up evil defensive schemes. He's not a head coach. *SIGH*.

I'm still happy for him. I just don't see this going very well.
Oh it’s gonna be an epic dumpster fire. But still, he chased his dream and you can’t be mad at that.
Yes, very happy for him. I hope I'm wrong.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:49 am

Agreed. I think it's a mistake on his part, but there are only 32 of those jobs so I can't criticize going after one of them.

I fear he'll bomb out; he's organized and experienced, but so much of the job includes skills he hasn't shown he possesses. And I sincerely hope, for his sake, that I'm wrong about that.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:55 am

He's a head coach by title only in Denver. Who knows? Maybe that's the type of situation he wants.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:48 pm

And the shit show has started. Kubiak backs out of being the OC.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:03 pm

Am I the only one seeing a potential Jim Tomsula situation in Denver?

Don’t get me wrong — I really like Fangio and think he’s a bright guy but I just wonder about his ability to be savvy beyond the X’s and O’s of the job. So much politics and other overhead come with being a HC — especially in today’s world of Social Media and hot-takes. I hope he’s ready.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:02 pm

Somehow this is a franchise that has won 3 superbowls more recently that the Bears.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:49 pm

KOP_Snake wrote:Somehow this is a franchise that has won 3 superbowls more recently that the Bears.
John Elway and Peyton Manning. HOF QBs will do it.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:17 am

Otis Day wrote:And the shit show has started. Kubiak backs out of being the OC.
Yup. Figure if things don't work out with Pagano, Vic will be free in 2021 at the latest.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:27 pm

He will do fine. That defense will be top notch again and that offense will run the crap out the ball.

Good for him to get such a good job and to finally get the chance.
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KOP_Snake wrote:Somehow this is a franchise that has won 3 superbowls more recently that the Bears.
Two of those wins have asterisks because they cheated.

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