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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:19 pm

They should of spiked it on 2nd and 2 to save clock and the TO, with 15 seconds left you were not really getting 2 full plays before a FG anyways. Run a play with 2 shots in the end zone and one check down, use TO if need be.

Whatver though... O got the ball in range, it was all on Doink.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:46 am

Really happy with the game, wasn't too big for him and that playoff experience is invaluable (oh for two games plus of it though!).

This all said, he needs to cut down on the interceptable balls. His TD % went up from 2.1% to 5.5%, part development and part being in an actual NFL offence. However, his INT% also went up to 2.8% from 2.1%. That needs to come down to under 2% or the overall TD to INT ratio needs to be 5:2 or better, i.e. he needs to throw 2.5 TDs for every interception, minimum and get it to 3:1 to be in there with the elite QBs. As a snapshot, if you sort by TD/INT this is the list of QBs:
NoPlayerTD/INTTD%Int%
1Aaron Rodgers*14.004.20.3
2Drew Brees*6.506.51
3Russell Wilson5.138.21.6
4Matt Ryan4.835.81.2
5Patrick Mahomes*4.108.62.1
6Carson Wentz3.065.21.7
7Kirk Cousins2.9451.7
8Deshaun Watson2.835.11.8
9Dak Prescott2.804.21.5
10Jared Goff*2.715.72.1
11Tom Brady*2.685.11.9
12Andrew Luck2.656.12.3
13Philip Rivers*2.636.32.4
14Ben Roethlisberger2.0852.4
15Joe Flacco2.003.21.6
16Alex Smith2.0031.5
17Mitchell Trubisky1.965.52.8
18Andy Dalton1.935.83
19Baker Mayfield1.935.62.9
20Matthew Stafford1.903.82
21Eli Manning1.893.61.9
22Derek Carr1.893.41.8
23Ryan Tannehill1.886.23.3
24Cam Newton1.825.12.8
25Ryan Fitzpatrick1.416.94.9
26Marcus Mariota1.383.32.4
27Jameis Winston1.3553.7
28Nick Mullens1.314.73.6
29Case Keenum1.193.12.6
30Blake Bortles1.193.22.7
31Sam Darnold1.144.13.6
32Josh Allen0.823.13.8
33Josh Rosen0.782.83.6

I'm not at all saying it's everything but that list doesn't look massively off to me. Now since this was Trubisky's first year playing in a proper NFL offence, and Nagy didn't have huge experience calling it (and Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, Burton etc. were all new to the team) I see no reason why I can't expect to see a 2.5 ratio and hope for something like 6% TD and 2% interception.

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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:40 pm

Trubisky's arrow is pointing up - I don't care what Colin Cowherd, Deion Sanders, Shannon Sharpe or LaDainian Tomlinson, etc. say about him. He's growing, he's got the potential to be a pretty good QB in this league - maybe top 10 or top 5 one day IMO. If he refines his skills within the offense and stays consistent, he's got the talent to have a great career, IMO.

I have confidence in Matt Nagy to get Mitch to that point. One thing about Mitch is that that he has the desire to be great. He said after the game that this will make him hungrier to be better in the offseason and that he's just scratching the surface.

Is he Pat Mahomes? No. But Mitch is definitely no slouch.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:41 pm

malk wrote:Really happy with the game, wasn't too big for him and that playoff experience is invaluable (oh for two games plus of it though!).

This all said, he needs to cut down on the interceptable balls. His TD % went up from 2.1% to 5.5%, part development and part being in an actual NFL offence. However, his INT% also went up to 2.8% from 2.1%. That needs to come down to under 2% or the overall TD to INT ratio needs to be 5:2 or better, i.e. he needs to throw 2.5 TDs for every interception, minimum and get it to 3:1 to be in there with the elite QBs. As a snapshot, if you sort by TD/INT this is the list of QBs:
NoPlayerTD/INTTD%Int%
1Aaron Rodgers*14.004.20.3
2Drew Brees*6.506.51
3Russell Wilson5.138.21.6
4Matt Ryan4.835.81.2
5Patrick Mahomes*4.108.62.1
6Carson Wentz3.065.21.7
7Kirk Cousins2.9451.7
8Deshaun Watson2.835.11.8
9Dak Prescott2.804.21.5
10Jared Goff*2.715.72.1
11Tom Brady*2.685.11.9
12Andrew Luck2.656.12.3
13Philip Rivers*2.636.32.4
14Ben Roethlisberger2.0852.4
15Joe Flacco2.003.21.6
16Alex Smith2.0031.5
17Mitchell Trubisky1.965.52.8
18Andy Dalton1.935.83
19Baker Mayfield1.935.62.9
20Matthew Stafford1.903.82
21Eli Manning1.893.61.9
22Derek Carr1.893.41.8
23Ryan Tannehill1.886.23.3
24Cam Newton1.825.12.8
25Ryan Fitzpatrick1.416.94.9
26Marcus Mariota1.383.32.4
27Jameis Winston1.3553.7
28Nick Mullens1.314.73.6
29Case Keenum1.193.12.6
30Blake Bortles1.193.22.7
31Sam Darnold1.144.13.6
32Josh Allen0.823.13.8
33Josh Rosen0.782.83.6

I'm not at all saying it's everything but that list doesn't look massively off to me. Now since this was Trubisky's first year playing in a proper NFL offence, and Nagy didn't have huge experience calling it (and Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, Burton etc. were all new to the team) I see no reason why I can't expect to see a 2.5 ratio and hope for something like 6% TD and 2% interception.

If that happens, next year will be really exciting.
Totally agree. That is something he needs to work on and I think it comes with more experience in the same offense and scheme.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:00 pm

Mitch soundly outplayed media darling Nick Foles. But it's the Bears, and the pregame guys will always hesitate to give a Bears QB any credit.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:15 pm

He could just throw balls nowhere near anyone like rogers did all season.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:33 am

You can throw the whole season out the window on Mitch. Who he was last year, is not who he is going to be in 2019. He is going to have a whole offseason with Nagy and Hellfrich. Nagy is going to dig deep into the mind of Trubisky, and find out what his mindset was in the 4th quarter of the Wild Card game, because that was pretty damn heroic. And honestly, I think it is all mental for mitch right now.

In the 4th quarter of the Eagles game, Mitch stopped thinking, and tried to win. He stopped worrying about throwing interceptions, and started letting the ball go without hesitation. It wasn't a instant mindset change, he was a prisoner of the moment. But the QB that we saw in the last 10:00 min of the game is who Mitch is, and I am confident that Nagy can get him there full time.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:37 pm

Trubisky's playoff game can be distilled into that final drive

no time outs and the Bears had to gain about 30 yards against a defense that knew he had to throw ... he couldn't afford costly mistakes ... and he stepped up and got the job done

I thought he had a very good game ... yeah, it would have been nice if they could have gotten TD's instead of FG's but the Philly defense was not making things easy

a throwback defense oriented game that came down to a final play on a final drive ... and Trubisky did his part on that drive
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:38 pm

Boris13c wrote:Trubisky's playoff game can be distilled into that final drive

no time outs and the Bears had to gain about 30 yards against a defense that knew he had to throw ... he couldn't afford costly mistakes ... and he stepped up and got the job done

I thought he had a very good game ... yeah, it would have been nice if they could have gotten TD's instead of FG's but the Philly defense was not making things easy

a throwback defense oriented game that came down to a final play on a final drive ... and Trubisky did his part on that drive
I think he did a great job considering Trey Burton fucked Nagy's gameplan.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:12 pm

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Boris13c wrote:Trubisky's playoff game can be distilled into that final drive

no time outs and the Bears had to gain about 30 yards against a defense that knew he had to throw ... he couldn't afford costly mistakes ... and he stepped up and got the job done

I thought he had a very good game ... yeah, it would have been nice if they could have gotten TD's instead of FG's but the Philly defense was not making things easy

a throwback defense oriented game that came down to a final play on a final drive ... and Trubisky did his part on that drive
I think he did a great job considering Trey Burton fucked Nagy's gameplan.
Y-Iso is one of Nagy's favorite play designs and he uses it to free up Cohen, I am 100% confident Burton missing the game fucked us.
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:18 pm

It's been almost 15 weeks... I'm finally going to re-watch this fucking game.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:23 pm

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:For me it was the 4th quarter. In a game, or a time, when someone like Cousins, or Bradford, or any number of other QB’s would show up small and crack under pressure. Trubisky made some of his best throws when the game was on the line. More than that, he made throws that he consistently missed high earlier in the season. It was very encouraging.


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After time away and thinking about it, I agree. Impressive and encouraging. Once this guy gets more football experience with more detailed understanding of Nagy's system, things could get really interesting with him.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:31 pm

G08 wrote:It's been almost 15 weeks... I'm finally going to re-watch this fucking game.
Yeah.

At some point I need to rewatch this thing.

I'll never forget the message board conversations during that game.
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:57 pm

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G08 wrote:It's been almost 15 weeks... I'm finally going to re-watch this fucking game.
Yeah.

At some point I need to rewatch this thing.

I'll never forget the message board conversations during that game.
It's painful... starting the second half now. Trubisky HAD Miller open near the end of the first half, if he put a little more air and power under the ball that was a touchdown. Fuck.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:43 pm

I still think Nagy had a rookie head coach first 1/2 then finally took the training wheels off and the offense looked good late in this game.

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Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:05 pm

That's a good point about Nagy being a rookie too. I think he learned and evolved as much as Biscuit did. Fingers crossed for both of them to take big steps this season.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:28 pm

G08 wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
G08 wrote:It's been almost 15 weeks... I'm finally going to re-watch this fucking game.
Yeah.

At some point I need to rewatch this thing.

I'll never forget the message board conversations during that game.
It's painful... starting the second half now. Trubisky HAD Miller open near the end of the first half, if he put a little more air and power under the ball that was a touchdown. Fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTas63j9ooU

Biscuit had AM17 All The Hits All The Time a couple of times in that game. Once in the first half and again in the second. I'm still extremely proud of how Biscuit did.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ubMi00.htm

26 / 43 for 303 and 1 TD with 0 INTs with an 89.6 rating. Good enough to win.

I know its fashionable to blame the kicker and if Parkey makes that kick we win the game, BUT....

I think Jim Schwartz called one hell of a game for the Eagles. Look at all the different fronts Biscuit saw in that highlight video.

Another thing too was how the ball was spread around.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=401038954

Robinson caught 10 of those 26 completed passes. The next closest was Gabriel with 4. The ball needed to be spread around better, but it was likely that Robinson was just the guy that was open. I'm sure on that last drive Biscuit is looking for his big money receiver too.

The running game was nonexistent. Howard went 10 carries for 35 yards.
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:26 pm

The Marshall Plan wrote:
G08 wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
G08 wrote:It's been almost 15 weeks... I'm finally going to re-watch this fucking game.
Yeah.

At some point I need to rewatch this thing.

I'll never forget the message board conversations during that game.
It's painful... starting the second half now. Trubisky HAD Miller open near the end of the first half, if he put a little more air and power under the ball that was a touchdown. Fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTas63j9ooU

Biscuit had AM17 All The Hits All The Time a couple of times in that game. Once in the first half and again in the second. I'm still extremely proud of how Biscuit did.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ubMi00.htm

26 / 43 for 303 and 1 TD with 0 INTs with an 89.6 rating. Good enough to win.

I know its fashionable to blame the kicker and if Parkey makes that kick we win the game, BUT....

I think Jim Schwartz called one hell of a game for the Eagles. Look at all the different fronts Biscuit saw in that highlight video.

Another thing too was how the ball was spread around.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=401038954

Robinson caught 10 of those 26 completed passes. The next closest was Gabriel with 4. The ball needed to be spread around better, but it was likely that Robinson was just the guy that was open. I'm sure on that last drive Biscuit is looking for his big money receiver too.

The running game was nonexistent. Howard went 10 carries for 35 yards.
I'll quibble one point here:
If a guy is consistently beating his man and catching the ball, you throw it to him. Sometimes a scheme gets a bunch of guys open on various plays and sometimes a guy is a playmaker and just gets open.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:21 pm

Atkins&Rebel wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
G08 wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
G08 wrote:It's been almost 15 weeks... I'm finally going to re-watch this fucking game.
Yeah.

At some point I need to rewatch this thing.

I'll never forget the message board conversations during that game.
It's painful... starting the second half now. Trubisky HAD Miller open near the end of the first half, if he put a little more air and power under the ball that was a touchdown. Fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTas63j9ooU

Biscuit had AM17 All The Hits All The Time a couple of times in that game. Once in the first half and again in the second. I'm still extremely proud of how Biscuit did.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ubMi00.htm

26 / 43 for 303 and 1 TD with 0 INTs with an 89.6 rating. Good enough to win.

I know its fashionable to blame the kicker and if Parkey makes that kick we win the game, BUT....

I think Jim Schwartz called one hell of a game for the Eagles. Look at all the different fronts Biscuit saw in that highlight video.

Another thing too was how the ball was spread around.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=401038954

Robinson caught 10 of those 26 completed passes. The next closest was Gabriel with 4. The ball needed to be spread around better, but it was likely that Robinson was just the guy that was open. I'm sure on that last drive Biscuit is looking for his big money receiver too.

The running game was nonexistent. Howard went 10 carries for 35 yards.
I'll quibble one point here:
If a guy is consistently beating his man and catching the ball, you throw it to him. Sometimes a scheme gets a bunch of guys open on various plays and sometimes a guy is a playmaker and just gets open.
I said this at the beginning of the thread I believe. There needs to be a chemistry built up with Trubisky and Robinson. By that I mean, if it looks like AR is one-on-one out wide, with no safety help, he is open ALL DAY LONG. Much like we saw at the end of the Eagles game. When Biscuits started slinging the rock in the 4th quarter, Robinson was his guy, and at times he wasn't open. But AR MADE himself open by being a straight up baller.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:43 am

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:For me it was the 4th quarter. In a game, or a time, when someone like Cousins, or Bradford, or any number of other QB’s would show up small and crack under pressure. Trubisky made some of his best throws when the game was on the line. More than that, he made throws that he consistently missed high earlier in the season. It was very encouraging.


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Yup, this.

Game was on the line, and he drove the team down not once, but twice for the win. The defense couldn't hold the first time, and the second time we got the double doink from the kicker.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:31 pm

If anyone read my posts on another board back when we drafted Mitch they know how big of a fan I was of him. That year he was my pick mid that season when I usually started looking at the draft over the past decade or two LOL. If you saw him play in college no moment was too big for him. There were a few times he came into games late (for whatever reason) and threw the game-winning pass or came damn close to winning it for them.

He has that sort of confidence he was just very raw. I knew it would take time for him it's rare for a QB to come out of college and look like an All-Pro especially one that had such little play time as a starter but there was no denying he had the physical and mental tools to be a solid QB.

If we still had Fox as HC I think he wouldn't be this far along and most would be talking about Mitch as a bust just because how conservative that system was. With Nagy he's progressed much more quickly and really came along late in the season. Just imagine a year of offseason workouts in the same system I can see him really taking that next step this year and it's exciting to think about.

Nagy's talking about letting Mitch call plays like Manning did for years... that's a lot of confidence that he has in Mitch to even entertain the idea this early in their relationship. That says a lot and hopefully, it works out well for them and us fans. It's been a long time since we had a great QB... So long most of the younger fans probably just laughed at that and are thinking when the hell did we have a good QB.

I thought as big of a game as that was against a team as good as the Eagles are Mitch played as good as any QB I've seen play in the same situation. That second half was pretty damn good. Guys like Brady have won big games in the same exact way. I agree with others that said Nagy was way too conservative early on but when he let Mitch be Mitch he didn't disappoint. I think this year Nagy will take the reins off and lets him become our perennial pro bowl QB he can become. Fingers crossed... I believe in Mitch and I would love to see Miller and Shaheen take a huge step forward with him those 3 are the future of this offense.
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:52 am

Knuckles wrote:Nagy's talking about letting Mitch call plays like Manning did for years...
is there a source for this? I haven't heard it. I haven't been reading as many articles as usual either, so not questioning, just like to find that one if you know where it came from. Thanks
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Re: Trubisky’s Playoff Game

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:13 am

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Knuckles wrote:Nagy's talking about letting Mitch call plays like Manning did for years...
is there a source for this? I haven't heard it. I haven't been reading as many articles as usual either, so not questioning, just like to find that one if you know where it came from. Thanks
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