I would like the Bears to hang on to Floyd, but if possible I'd like him to come as cheap as possible because there are a lot of D guys who need to get paid. In the past half-dozen years, how do OLB salaries correlate with sacks? If highly, then he won't get a top-10 offer in free agency because he won't be top-10 in sacks (unless Fangio picks him up). And will the new DC be able to use him as effectively as Fangio did?
I'd like to hear from some of our accountants on this matter. And what about repeating the Fuller scenario?
Sign Leonard Floyd to 5th year option?
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Wow, mad that a 5th year option would put him as the 16th highest paid edge rusher in football! It's not as bad as the old first round contracts but it seems like something the league should address (or the players union, with a hardish cap this is just taking money away from non elite vets...).
I do like Floyd, more than his sack totals as others have pointed to. The best option is to get him signed to a long term deal though, who knows if that's doable though.
I do like Floyd, more than his sack totals as others have pointed to. The best option is to get him signed to a long term deal though, who knows if that's doable though.
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At that money, no way in hell. He is good but unless he really breaks out next season he isn't worth more than about 7 million.
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Lol...7 million?
When is the deadline? Floyd was a man possessed the 2nd half of the year. I think having the ability to learn from Mack is showing when it comes to playing with leverage.
I say pick up the option and put pressure on him to have a big year and earn the extension similar to Fuller.
Long term, I say he’s a 10-12 mill a year guy.
When is the deadline? Floyd was a man possessed the 2nd half of the year. I think having the ability to learn from Mack is showing when it comes to playing with leverage.
I say pick up the option and put pressure on him to have a big year and earn the extension similar to Fuller.
Long term, I say he’s a 10-12 mill a year guy.
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He needs to be more consistent to get any money. He has a few nice games a year, but generally gets hurt or disapears in too many games. I'd extend him but I'd want a modest deal with performance escalators
He needs to be more consistent to get any money. He has a few nice games a year, but generally gets hurt or disapears in too many games. I'd extend him but I'd want a modest deal with performance escalators
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Keeping Eddie Jackson and to a lesser extent Amos is more important to me than Floyd. With Mack on the other side, a lot of other OLBs would feast on the opportunity. If there's a way to extend Amos and Jackson first I'd rather do that then see what's left over for Floyd.
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I would prefer to re-sign Callahan.
Floyd is great at chasing down a play but when someone locks on to him he has shown a tendency to stop. I am kinda torn on this one. The better question might be if one of our two rookies from last year could replace him they both looked good at times.
Not to mention our front 7 is in this order.
Mack, Hicks, Smith, Trevethan, Goldman then Floyd, Nichols. (this is no knock on anyone of these guys and where I rank them. They would be in top three on 90% of the teams in the league.)
So is he worth the money?
Floyd is great at chasing down a play but when someone locks on to him he has shown a tendency to stop. I am kinda torn on this one. The better question might be if one of our two rookies from last year could replace him they both looked good at times.
Not to mention our front 7 is in this order.
Mack, Hicks, Smith, Trevethan, Goldman then Floyd, Nichols. (this is no knock on anyone of these guys and where I rank them. They would be in top three on 90% of the teams in the league.)
So is he worth the money?
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I was still defending him mid-season and saying "wait till he's fully healthy".
He played better when that finally happened and I was about to say "you absolutely pick up his option".
Then I saw the figures.
WAY higher than what I thought they were.
He's not at all that good or irreplaceable.
He played better when that finally happened and I was about to say "you absolutely pick up his option".
Then I saw the figures.
WAY higher than what I thought they were.
He's not at all that good or irreplaceable.
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I am more and more inclined to let Floyd walk.
Look at the FA's available.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents ... inebacker/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
We are so close right now and the thought of getting Clay Mathews to play on the opposite side of Mack could allow Mathews to regain his old form and play at that high levle for 3 or 4 more seasons. The thought of having Mathews and Mack together on the outside makes me start to drool. Not to mention at his age we could probably get him for about 4 to 6 million year.
Look at the FA's available.
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We are so close right now and the thought of getting Clay Mathews to play on the opposite side of Mack could allow Mathews to regain his old form and play at that high levle for 3 or 4 more seasons. The thought of having Mathews and Mack together on the outside makes me start to drool. Not to mention at his age we could probably get him for about 4 to 6 million year.
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3 years in and he averages 5 sacks and 30 or so tackles a year. If you want to give that 10-12 mill a season you better go be GM of the Lions. He has one more year left and I would let it play out offering a cheaper extension.cblaz11 wrote:Lol...7 million?
When is the deadline? Floyd was a man possessed the 2nd half of the year. I think having the ability to learn from Mack is showing when it comes to playing with leverage.
I say pick up the option and put pressure on him to have a big year and earn the extension similar to Fuller.
Long term, I say he’s a 10-12 mill a year guy.
He tied for 98th in the league in sacks this year, has never eclipsed 7 sacks and is dinged up a lot.
Unless he goes crazy this next season nobody is giving him big money so there is no need to use the 5th year option. If they like him give him a reasonable extension. If he thinks he is worth more then you roll with Irving, Fitts, resign lynch or someone else.
His stats are very pedestrian considering the D line talent around him and the fact that he is always the guy not being double teamed.
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I think it's pretty clear that the 5th year option is too expensive based on his level of play. Yes, he's gotten better this year, but he hasn't shown the sustained success to warrant a $15M deal.
Instead, we should go the Kyle Fuller route. Let him play out his rookie deal and then tag him appropriately after next season.
Instead, we should go the Kyle Fuller route. Let him play out his rookie deal and then tag him appropriately after next season.
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I'm inclined to extend Floyd. He hasn't made the impact we hoped for based on where he was selected, but the latter half of this season saw him consistently contributing.
The fear is that he regresses, or his production was a consequence of playing with players like Hicks and Mack drawing major attention from the opposing offense.
This team is light on draft capital. If the Bears can find a way to extend him early to keep the cost down, I think it would be to the their advantage.
The fear is that he regresses, or his production was a consequence of playing with players like Hicks and Mack drawing major attention from the opposing offense.
This team is light on draft capital. If the Bears can find a way to extend him early to keep the cost down, I think it would be to the their advantage.
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You get yourself into trouble when you pay for past past performance...Or in this case, don’t pay because of past performance. We didn’t pick up the option for Fuller and it bit us in the butt. Many, wanted him cut before the start of the 2017 season. You have to look beyond stats and factor in things like health, age, makeup of the surroundings, and year to year improvementsouthdakbearfan wrote:3 years in and he averages 5 sacks and 30 or so tackles a year. If you want to give that 10-12 mill a season you better go be GM of the Lions. He has one more year left and I would let it play out offering a cheaper extension.cblaz11 wrote:Lol...7 million?
When is the deadline? Floyd was a man possessed the 2nd half of the year. I think having the ability to learn from Mack is showing when it comes to playing with leverage.
I say pick up the option and put pressure on him to have a big year and earn the extension similar to Fuller.
Long term, I say he’s a 10-12 mill a year guy.
He tied for 98th in the league in sacks this year, has never eclipsed 7 sacks and is dinged up a lot.
Unless he goes crazy this next season nobody is giving him big money so there is no need to use the 5th year option. If they like him give him a reasonable extension. If he thinks he is worth more then you roll with Irving, Fitts, resign lynch or someone else.
His stats are very pedestrian considering the D line talent around him and the fact that he is always the guy not being double teamed.
Floyd has not had the numbers after 3 seasons in the NFL...That said, I saw a difference maker on the field this year after he recovered from the injury.
That said, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. So, I pick up the option and force him to do what he did this year again next year. If he does, then I absolutely think he will be a 12 million dollar man. There will be a line of teams willing to give it to him if we don’t:
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He is already locked in for next year. He was on the field more than two times as much as lynch and got 1 more sack than him.cblaz11 wrote:You get yourself into trouble when you pay for past past performance...Or in this case, don’t pay because of past performance. We didn’t pick up the option for Fuller and it bit us in the butt. Many, wanted him cut before the start of the 2017 season. You have to look beyond stats and factor in things like health, age, makeup of the surroundings, and year to year improvementsouthdakbearfan wrote:3 years in and he averages 5 sacks and 30 or so tackles a year. If you want to give that 10-12 mill a season you better go be GM of the Lions. He has one more year left and I would let it play out offering a cheaper extension.cblaz11 wrote:Lol...7 million?
When is the deadline? Floyd was a man possessed the 2nd half of the year. I think having the ability to learn from Mack is showing when it comes to playing with leverage.
I say pick up the option and put pressure on him to have a big year and earn the extension similar to Fuller.
Long term, I say he’s a 10-12 mill a year guy.
He tied for 98th in the league in sacks this year, has never eclipsed 7 sacks and is dinged up a lot.
Unless he goes crazy this next season nobody is giving him big money so there is no need to use the 5th year option. If they like him give him a reasonable extension. If he thinks he is worth more then you roll with Irving, Fitts, resign lynch or someone else.
His stats are very pedestrian considering the D line talent around him and the fact that he is always the guy not being double teamed.
Floyd has not had the numbers after 3 seasons in the NFL...That said, I saw a difference maker on the field this year after he recovered from the injury.
That said, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. So, I pick up the option and force him to do what he did this year again next year. If he does, then I absolutely think he will be a 12 million dollar man. There will be a line of teams willing to give it to him if we don’t:
He is an ok player but easily replaceable.
And I would disagree that fuller bit anyone in the but. They made him earn a paycheck and he did.
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Sounds like they are picking it up so he is outrs for 2 more seasons.
Yep, multiple reports. Hopefully working on an extension in the interim.southdakbearfan wrote:Sounds like they are picking it up so he is outrs for 2 more seasons.
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I agree... the broken hand set him back.. but he was coming on big time at the end of the 2017 season.
After healing.... he's back to form & still with a high ceiling!
All that said... I say dont take the 5th year option on Floyd.
Extend him to a 4 year contract!
After healing.... he's back to form & still with a high ceiling!
All that said... I say dont take the 5th year option on Floyd.
Extend him to a 4 year contract!
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I can't help but think that the extension is already in the works. Really hard for me to see Floyd as a $13M player at this point. I know Pace said they were picking up the option, but I bet the extension comes before 2020Pagan wrote:I agree... the broken hand set him back.. but he was coming on big time at the end of the 2017 season.
After healing.... he's back to form & still with a high ceiling!
All that said... I say dont take the 5th year option on Floyd.
Extend him to a 4 year contract!
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Mayer is reporting that the Bears are planning on picking up Floyd's 5th year option.
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Are the Bears allowed to sign the option and extend him? It seems smart to extend him this year while there's leverage.
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Yescrueltyabc wrote:Are the Bears allowed to sign the option and extend him? It seems smart to extend him this year while there's leverage.
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Hell with signing the option. Just look at his numbers and tell him... You're a 6-8 sack a year starting NFL 3-4 OLB who has missed significant injury time every single year. That's worth what, $8M/year? Here's $15M guaranteed and $36M over 4 years. Be happy.
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southdakbearfan wrote:Yescrueltyabc wrote:Are the Bears allowed to sign the option and extend him? It seems smart to extend him this year while there's leverage.
I sure hope so, because no way in hell is he worth that figure, and they can't afford more crazy overpayments at this point.
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If they couldn’t get an extension done at a price they like they can also release him after next season.
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This is where football politics come into play. I don't think Pace wants his first two top 10 picks to both move on from the team. White is understandable...he was hurt and then struggled picking up the new offense - an offense that he wasn't drafted to play in.southdakbearfan wrote:If they couldn’t get an extension done at a price they like they can also release him after next season.
Floyd however has been good enough to justify extending. He's a 7-8 sack a year guy that is used in a variety of different ways. That's worth something.
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This is still a year away, right? We don't have to implement this until the 2020-2021 season if I'm not mistaken.
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CorrectG08 wrote:This is still a year away, right? We don't have to implement this until the 2020-2021 season if I'm not mistaken.