Bears hire Chuck Pagano to be Defensive Coordinator

[Mikefive]

Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P

Hope it works out

Disagree

He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.

Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.

I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.

Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.

Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz

Preach keeping everything in front

Preach all 11 guys swarming to the ball

Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure

When you bring in a new coordinator, the worst thing you could do is to Mel Tucker him into trying to run a scheme that isn't him.

Instead, you have him study closely what we did last year with the pieces he has and learn how to integrate what we did and what our current cast's strengths into Pagano's concepts. Like Nagy's blocking scheme adjustment to Jordan Howard, you have to adapt to what you have. But at the same time, Pagano has experiences, things he understands well and concepts he likes to put into play that work with his style. It needs to be a blending of past and present.

Be you, Chuck Pagano.

[cblaz11]

Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P

Hope it works out

Disagree

He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.

Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.

I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.

Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.

Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz

Preach keeping everything in front

Preach all 11 guys swarming to the ball

Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure

When you bring in a new coordinator, the worst thing you could do is to Mel Tucker him into trying to run a scheme that isn't him.

Instead, you have him study closely what we did last year with the pieces he has and learn how to integrate what we did and what our current cast's strengths into Pagano's concepts. Like Nagy's blocking scheme adjustment to Jordan Howard, you have to adapt to what you have. But at the same time, Pagano has experiences, things he understands well and concepts he likes to put into play that work with his style. It needs to be a blending of past and present.

Be you, Chuck Pagano.

Well said, agree 100%

[Buffaloaf]

Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.

First post on the board for me guys. I'm a long-time lurker (well, since KFFL went down) and enjoy reading what you guys have to say.

I thought I should point out from the quoted post that Pagano coached the 2011 Ravens and not the 2001 Ravens, so he didn't have the same type of talent on the roster (albeit, good talent). I liked what you did though (comparing the previous year defense to the year that he took over as DC) because that's relevant in evaluating his performance. I looked up the 2010 Ravens Defense to see what his potential impact was (admittedly, without comparing the rosters).

The 2010 Ravens ranked:
YPG - 10
PYPG - 21
RYPG - 5
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 15
YPP - 11
Def Penalties - 31

The 2011 Ravens:
YPG -3
PYPG - 4
RYPG - 3
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 13
YPP - 2
Def Penalties -19


Pretty solid improvement across the board, while maintaining the high ranked 3rd in PPG.

[Mikefive]

Pagano disguised blitzes with the 2011 Ravens.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P

Hope it works out

Disagree

He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.

Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.

I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.

Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.

Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz

Preach keeping everything in front

Preach all 11 guys swarming to the ball

Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure

When you bring in a new coordinator, the worst thing you could do is to Mel Tucker him into trying to run a scheme that isn't him.

Instead, you have him study closely what we did last year with the pieces he has and learn how to integrate what we did and what our current cast's strengths into Pagano's concepts. Like Nagy's blocking scheme adjustment to Jordan Howard, you have to adapt to what you have. But at the same time, Pagano has experiences, things he understands well and concepts he likes to put into play that work with his style. It needs to be a blending of past and present.

Be you, Chuck Pagano.

Be you. Well said sir.


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[Mr.Irrelevant]

My biggest concern with this hire though is Pagano's ambitions or loyalties. One great way to fuck up Nagy's tenure is to waste the defensive talent by having our DC leave every year to become an HC, and never let the D side grow in system continuity, and constantly have those players in emotional flux. It would be the reverse of the OC carousel that characterized Lovie's years. I've a bad feeling Pagano is just using us as a stepping stone and next year we are right back in this spot.

These are my thoughts exactly. On the one hand I love the hire. Great guy, players love him, aggressive and successful as DC - everything we want. The perfect choice.

On the other hand, this feels like a one year rental. He actually had a lot of success as the Colts HC and once he proves what he can do with talent on his side of the ball he'll probably be a top candidate for the 7 or 8 head coaching positions that open up in 2020.

I think that ship has sailed for Pagano. Especially the way the league is trending. I doubt he gets a HC gig next year.

I hope you're right. But I beleive he did get two HC interviews this year, and if Vic's ship hadn't sailed then Chuck's hasn't either.

[VA_Mountain_Bear]

Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.

First post on the board for me guys. I'm a long-time lurker (well, since KFFL went down) and enjoy reading what you guys have to say.

I thought I should point out from the quoted post that Pagano coached the 2011 Ravens and not the 2001 Ravens, so he didn't have the same type of talent on the roster (albeit, good talent). I liked what you did though (comparing the previous year defense to the year that he took over as DC) because that's relevant in evaluating his performance. I looked up the 2010 Ravens Defense to see what his potential impact was (admittedly, without comparing the rosters).

The 2010 Ravens ranked:
YPG - 10
PYPG - 21
RYPG - 5
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 15
YPP - 11
Def Penalties - 31

The 2011 Ravens:
YPG -3
PYPG - 4
RYPG - 3
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 13
YPP - 2
Def Penalties -19


Pretty solid improvement across the board, while maintaining the high ranked 3rd in PPG.

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Welcome to the board as a poster.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.

First post on the board for me guys. I'm a long-time lurker (well, since KFFL went down) and enjoy reading what you guys have to say.

I thought I should point out from the quoted post that Pagano coached the 2011 Ravens and not the 2001 Ravens, so he didn't have the same type of talent on the roster (albeit, good talent). I liked what you did though (comparing the previous year defense to the year that he took over as DC) because that's relevant in evaluating his performance. I looked up the 2010 Ravens Defense to see what his potential impact was (admittedly, without comparing the rosters).

The 2010 Ravens ranked:
YPG - 10
PYPG - 21
RYPG - 5
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 15
YPP - 11
Def Penalties - 31

The 2011 Ravens:
YPG -3
PYPG - 4
RYPG - 3
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 13
YPP - 2
Def Penalties -19


Pretty solid improvement across the board, while maintaining the high ranked 3rd in PPG.

.

Welcome to the board as a poster.

Thanks buffaloaf...I don't know how I screwed up the years from '11 to '01. I was in a "hurry" (waiting for my wife to tell me I had to leave when she was ready), to go to the hospital to visit a friend who got into a car wreck Thursday evening and was just transferred out of ICU and could get visitors. But still that's just dumb of me...

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

I just saw an article that said Pagano is considering Rob Ryan as a OLB coach. Yikes? Not sure. Both Ryan brothers are pretty big personalities, so I don't know how to react to this.

[Funkster]

I just saw an article that said Pagano is considering Rob Ryan as a OLB coach. Yikes? Not sure. Both Ryan brothers are pretty big personalities, so I don't know how to react to this.

And possibly Ed Reed. I’m starting to get excited.

[docc]

Ed Reed would be nice..

[MoFugger]

I just saw an article that said Pagano is considering Rob Ryan as a OLB coach. Yikes? Not sure. Both Ryan brothers are pretty big personalities, so I don't know how to react to this.

1.What exactly is the problem with the outside linebackers coach having a "big personality"?
2. You're going to gush over whoever the Bears hire anyway, why not start now?

[MoFugger]

As far as the Pagano hire? I'm not exactly overwhelmed, but it's not like the defense is going to take a step back. And he is definitely more of a game-day defensive coordinator than Vic was. I'll let it play out. but there are going to be some roster changes that people aren't going to like initially.

[Mikefive]

As far as the Pagano hire? I'm not exactly overwhelmed, but it's not like the defense is going to take a step back. And he is definitely more of a game-day defensive coordinator than Vic was. I'll let it play out. but there are going to be some roster changes that people aren't going to like initially.

Such as?

[Mikefive]

Ed Reed would be nice..

Ed Reed would be nice to have as a player in his prime. But can he coach?

[IotaNet]

Ed Reed would be nice..

Ed Reed would be nice to have as a player in his prime. But can he coach?

This

[Funkster]

Ed Reed would be nice..

Ed Reed would be nice to have as a player in his prime. But can he coach?

It would be fun to see.

[EricTighe]

Ed Reed was and is not only a great ex-player but also a great man. Watching him and Ray Lewis together on a show showed me how much Ed Reed was more into the X's and O's then I ever thought. He would be a great hire. Not to mention a great mentor to Eddie Jackson and Smith to be able to play like Lewis and Reed did for years.

[Funkster]

Ed Reed was and is not only a great ex-player but also a great man. Watching him and Ray Lewis together on a show showed me how much Ed Reed was more into the X's and O's then I ever thought. He would be a great hire. Not to mention a great mentor to Eddie Jackson and Smith to be able to play like Lewis and Reed did for years.

I’ve also seen that show. I agree 100%, you don’t get to that level without knowing the ins and outs of systems, film break down and being a sponge to every coach that he has come in contact with. Knowing how to play at level for as long as he did, being a leader of men and being able to share that knowledge would be icing on the cake to the bears DB’s.

[MoFugger]

As far as the Pagano hire? I'm not exactly overwhelmed, but it's not like the defense is going to take a step back. And he is definitely more of a game-day defensive coordinator than Vic was. I'll let it play out. but there are going to be some roster changes that people aren't going to like initially.

Such as?

Mostly changes in the secondary. Amos will walk, and they will use cap space and or draft capital to bring in a corner that people are going to think is frivolous. I don't really know the numbers, but I don't think it's affordable to cut Prince, so he may be playing a lesser role at a starters contract.
I absolutely expect Jordan Howard to get traded, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with pagano.
But our back 4/5 is going to look a lot different, and it's not going to come for free.
so when I said people aren't going to like it, I mean we could lose some fan favorites, and make some moves that people are going to think are necessary, or a priority.
I don't see sweeping changes on the defense itself, but the secondary is going to look different. That is what pagano does, and that is why you bring him in.

[MoFugger]

That being said. If Kyle Fuller stays healthy you will totally love that the Bears didn't give up on him a couple years ago! And a healthy Eddie Jackson is going to break records. Floyd and Smith will be another great Bears linebacker tandem, Hicks will prove why he is my favorite Chicago Bear(to the rest of the world).
Mack would be a great player regardless, but she won't be dropping into coverage as much and he just gets to be Khalil Mack.
I just wanted to make it clear that I am optimistic about this move.

[EricTighe]

Mo I must disagree with you.

It is more than possible we have everyone back next year.

1. I do not believe Amos will garner the money we think he may cost because we love the guy. Too rich of a Free Agent class and as much as we all love the guy he is not a top ten safety. Jackson is the man and Amos is consistent and steady which usually doesn't equate to big contracts. Plus we still have Bush who in no way in hell is Amos but he is cheap.
2. Callahan getting hurt may have hurt us this year but may have gotten us to keep him at a lower contract for next. That is of course if the new staff doesn't fall in love with Tolliver the way Vic did at the beginning of the year.

So other than those two guys who else may we lose?

I understand we will probably have to ante up for Massie, the FA class for O-lineman sucks. Let us be honest no early draft pick means we can't depend on the draft for a good O-lineman. (well not this year anyway)

One more question? Why in the hell does anyone think we will get rid of Howard when he is costing us next to nothing to have? I would love to see him go if we aren't going to use but that is only because of my man crush on the guy. Other than that he is costing us peanuts on the dollar.

Pagano was and is a D-coordinator not a GM and not the Head Coach. So he will get what Pace and Nagy gives him.

Remember Buddy Ryan in all his glory with the 85 Bears never wanted Perry but got him anyway.

[EricTighe]

One more thing I think we brought Pagano in for a completely different reason.

I believe we brought him in for his experience to go with Nagy still learning on the job. Kinda the way the Rams brought some old one foot in the grave DC in Wade Phillips to run there D. As good as these young coaches are they need to have some grey haired old dudes around to help through the process.

[MoFugger]

One more thing I think we brought Pagano in for a completely different reason.

I believe we brought him in for his experience to go with Nagy still learning on the job. Kinda the way the Rams brought some old one foot in the grave DC in Wade Phillips to run there D. As good as these young coaches are they need to have some grey haired old dudes around to help through the process.

Two quick points to everything you just said.
First, I believe Howard is going to be traded as a courtesy to Jordan Howard. I really believe the Bears want someone else in his spot on the depth chart, and a trade is almost a guarantee that he's going to get a contract extension that he would not get from the Bears.
Amos is going to get a pretty good payday. It's not going to be some Blockbuster deal, but I don't think the Bears will be interested in competing for him. Pagano did not take this job to be a babysitter oh, and the one thing this roster does not match is what he likes to do in the secondary.

This is just my prediction. I could be wrong. two weeks ago I predicted the Bears to beat the Rams this weekend. I was even going to travel out to the game since it was only a 5-hour drive.
So if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm right, I still have the Bears defense being extremely nasty. and we may have a tough schedule next year, but every single one of our opponents has at least one really badass team to face.

[Funkster]

One more thing I think we brought Pagano in for a completely different reason.

I believe we brought him in for his experience to go with Nagy still learning on the job. Kinda the way the Rams brought some old one foot in the grave DC in Wade Phillips to run there D. As good as these young coaches are they need to have some grey haired old dudes around to help through the process.

I believe they brought him in so Nagy can focus on the offense and just say here is a star studded defense, don’t mess it up. They went out and got a coach that has worked with Fangio so the transition won’t be major. Adding a rumored Rob Ryan will just add to the experience in that room. This should be exciting. These coaches will be a bit more aggressive mixing up blitz packages. Something that could’ve help the bears this season.

As far as Howard, I totally agree with mofugger, I don’t think he will be a Bear next season. They might as well get some value why they can. Nagy really likes flashy things, that’s just not Howard. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he has Pace turning over ever rock on Karem Hunt as we speak. That is the type of player Nagy prefers skill wise over a player like Howard.

Things are happening this evening to set up the new defensive staff, Biggs reported that both the safeties coach Roy Anderson and OLB coach Brandon Staley will not be retained. I’m expecting new names to be announced very soon.

[MoFugger]

One more thing I think we brought Pagano in for a completely different reason.

I believe we brought him in for his experience to go with Nagy still learning on the job. Kinda the way the Rams brought some old one foot in the grave DC in Wade Phillips to run there D. As good as these young coaches are they need to have some grey haired old dudes around to help through the process.

I believe they brought him in so Nagy can focus on the offense and just say here is a star studded defense, don’t mess it up. They went out and got a coach that has worked with Fangio so the transition won’t be major. Adding a rumored Rob Ryan will just add to the experience in that room. This should be exciting. These coaches will be a bit more aggressive mixing up blitz packages. Something that could’ve help the bears this season.

As far as Howard, I totally agree with mofugger, I don’t think he will be a Bear next season. They might as well get some value why they can. Nagy really likes flashy things, that’s just not Howard. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he has Pace turning over ever rock on Karem Hunt as we speak. That is the type of player Nagy prefers skill wise over a player like Howard.

Things are happening this evening to set up the new defensive staff, Biggs reported that both the safeties coach Roy Anderson and OLB coach Brandon Staley will not be retained. I’m expecting new names to be announced very soon.

I don't want to get extremely off topic here. Yes, it's really easy to cconnect Kareem Hunt to the Chicago Bears.
except that it would be extremely uncharacteristic of the Chicago Bears organization.
I am all for giving a 23 year old kid a second chance, but I think his situation may be more complicated than that.
there is no doubt in my mind if the Bears see the risk worth the reward, that they did their due diligence, and there would be language in the contract that would protect them.
But again, it's just not a move I can see them making.

[VA_Mountain_Bear]

One more thing I think we brought Pagano in for a completely different reason.

I believe we brought him in for his experience to go with Nagy still learning on the job. Kinda the way the Rams brought some old one foot in the grave DC in Wade Phillips to run there D. As good as these young coaches are they need to have some grey haired old dudes around to help through the process.

I believe they brought him in so Nagy can focus on the offense and just say here is a star studded defense, don’t mess it up. They went out and got a coach that has worked with Fangio so the transition won’t be major. Adding a rumored Rob Ryan will just add to the experience in that room. This should be exciting. These coaches will be a bit more aggressive mixing up blitz packages. Something that could’ve help the bears this season.

As far as Howard, I totally agree with mofugger, I don’t think he will be a Bear next season. They might as well get some value why they can. Nagy really likes flashy things, that’s just not Howard. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he has Pace turning over ever rock on Karem Hunt as we speak. That is the type of player Nagy prefers skill wise over a player like Howard.

Things are happening this evening to set up the new defensive staff, Biggs reported that both the safeties coach Roy Anderson and OLB coach Brandon Staley will not be retained. I’m expecting new names to be announced very soon.

I don't want to get extremely off topic here. Yes, it's really easy to cconnect Kareem Hunt to the Chicago Bears.
except that it would be extremely uncharacteristic of the Chicago Bears organization.
I am all for giving a 23 year old kid a second chance, but I think his situation may be more complicated than that.
there is no doubt in my mind if the Bears see the risk worth the reward, that they did their due diligence, and there would be language in the contract that would protect them.
But again, it's just not a move I can see them making.

Interesting Mo. I was going to express disagreement over Howard being traded with one caveat only. That caveat would be IF (and it is a big IF) Kareem Hunt is cleared to play by the league and Pace/Nagy want to roll the PR dice to give him a chance. Then, and only then, can I see them letting Howard walk.

As far as Massie, I don't really want to resign him because I'd like to get someone better/younger. Not saying he is bad but we might not have much choice. As far as Amos and Callahan, it would be nice to retain them but it wouldn't surprise me if they walk or stay.

[mmmc_35]

I find it interesting posters here are anointing Deon Bush. I wouldn't overspend for Amos, but Busch wouldn't be my plan A or B.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Amos is going to get a pretty good payday. It's not going to be some Blockbuster deal, but I don't think the Bears will be interested in competing for him. Pagano did not take this job to be a babysitter oh, and the one thing this roster does not match is what he likes to do in the secondary.

Let's also keep in mind that the draft is coming up, and IIRC this is a talent laden draft for safeties. I think it's possible that teams will look to the draft to find a CF rather than overpay for a good, but not great player.

[Mikefive]

One more thing I think we brought Pagano in for a completely different reason.

I believe we brought him in for his experience to go with Nagy still learning on the job. Kinda the way the Rams brought some old one foot in the grave DC in Wade Phillips to run there D. As good as these young coaches are they need to have some grey haired old dudes around to help through the process.

I believe they brought him in so Nagy can focus on the offense and just say here is a star studded defense, don’t mess it up. They went out and got a coach that has worked with Fangio so the transition won’t be major. Adding a rumored Rob Ryan will just add to the experience in that room. This should be exciting. These coaches will be a bit more aggressive mixing up blitz packages. Something that could’ve help the bears this season.

As far as Howard, I totally agree with mofugger, I don’t think he will be a Bear next season. They might as well get some value why they can. Nagy really likes flashy things, that’s just not Howard. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he has Pace turning over ever rock on Karem Hunt as we speak. That is the type of player Nagy prefers skill wise over a player like Howard.

Things are happening this evening to set up the new defensive staff, Biggs reported that both the safeties coach Roy Anderson and OLB coach Brandon Staley will not be retained. I’m expecting new names to be announced very soon.

I don't want to get extremely off topic here. Yes, it's really easy to cconnect Kareem Hunt to the Chicago Bears.
except that it would be extremely uncharacteristic of the Chicago Bears organization.
I am all for giving a 23 year old kid a second chance, but I think his situation may be more complicated than that.
there is no doubt in my mind if the Bears see the risk worth the reward, that they did their due diligence, and there would be language in the contract that would protect them.
But again, it's just not a move I can see them making.

Interesting Mo. I was going to express disagreement over Howard being traded with one caveat only. That caveat would be IF (and it is a big IF) Kareem Hunt is cleared to play by the league and Pace/Nagy want to roll the PR dice to give him a chance. Then, and only then, can I see them letting Howard walk.

As far as Massie, I don't really want to resign him because I'd like to get someone better/younger. Not saying he is bad but we might not have much choice. As far as Amos and Callahan, it would be nice to retain them but it wouldn't surprise me if they walk or stay.

Massie is a competent, reasonable, but certainly not exceptional RT. He'll probably get paid in the $10M range. We all would prefer "better/younger". But where are you going to find that guy and how much is he going to cost with our limited cap space? You're not going to draft a RT in R3 and pin your hopes on immediate success from that guy are you?