That was the only good year the Colts had while he was there, is when he was gone with Cancer.KOP_Snake wrote:Not gonna lie, my only thought was "Oh good I've heard of him."
I know he had a battle with cancer, and that's why Arians was interim head coach and led to his job with the Cardinals.
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Pagano was also my "on deck" guy following Donatell.
I'm gonna guess that A) Donatell would not commit before considering Denver, and B) Pace was not willing to delay a decision for that and risk losing Pagano.
Can't say that I blame Donatell. He and Vic have coached together for quite awhile and have had much success as a duo so why wouldn't he want to keep that relationship intact. I may be wrong but I'm thinking the DC job in Denver is his provided he passes Elway's muster.
Pagano has been an excellent secondary coach himself so in that regard we have a guy who can somewhat replace Donatell's influence and we seem to be sticking with Italians as well. LOL
I like the hire.
I'm gonna guess that A) Donatell would not commit before considering Denver, and B) Pace was not willing to delay a decision for that and risk losing Pagano.
Can't say that I blame Donatell. He and Vic have coached together for quite awhile and have had much success as a duo so why wouldn't he want to keep that relationship intact. I may be wrong but I'm thinking the DC job in Denver is his provided he passes Elway's muster.
Pagano has been an excellent secondary coach himself so in that regard we have a guy who can somewhat replace Donatell's influence and we seem to be sticking with Italians as well. LOL
I like the hire.
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I'm not sure what to think of this right now. He did some great things Baltimore that year. I don't think Indy had the players to field a great defense to begin with so I'm not sure how much he's to blame for their performance.
Hopefully he comes in here and we don't lose a step. With our schedule next year we're going to need all the help we can get.
Hopefully he comes in here and we don't lose a step. With our schedule next year we're going to need all the help we can get.
Just woke up to the news here in the UK. Relieved that the Bears have pulled the trigger rather than play the risky waiting game with teams still alive in the playoffs. Obviously I'd love to have kept Vic, but having read the bio on Pagano on the Bears app, I'm pretty happy. Sounds like a really good fit.
I cannot imagine how excited he must be to get to play with his new toys! But how frustrating to have to wait a few months to get the key to the toy cupboard!
I cannot imagine how excited he must be to get to play with his new toys! But how frustrating to have to wait a few months to get the key to the toy cupboard!
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I get what you're saying and sure, the Bears will have a 1st place schedule next year. But judging next year's schedule against last year's is always a misleading business. So much can change in free agency and the draft and with coaching moves. Top teams from one year can have a drop off in the next - GB and Minny for example. And teams that have been in 4th place for 4 years can rise up and win the division with a 12-4 record! Hehe!The Marshall Plan wrote:I'm not sure what to think of this right now. He did some great things Baltimore that year. I don't think Indy had the players to field a great defense to begin with so I'm not sure how much he's to blame for their performance.
Hopefully he comes in here and we don't lose a step. With our schedule next year we're going to need all the help we can get.
The Bears finishing in 1st place only affects 6 of the 16 games in next year's schedule anyway. They would face the NFCN and AFCW in any event. The only difference is that they'll play the top teams in the other NFC divisions.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the Bears take on the stronger teams next season. Roll on September!
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DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
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Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.
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Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.cblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
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I'm kinda warming to this selection, but more so as a relief that we didn't take one of the Ryan's. I don't really have a good feel of how to evaluate this one. The year in Baltimore was nice, but their coaches and players tend to do less well when they leave. In Indy he didn't have the defensive talent to work with, so it is hard to really evaluate. My biggest concern with this hire though is Pagano's ambitions or loyalties. One great way to fuck up Nagy's tenure is to waste the defensive talent by having our DC leave every year to become an HC, and never let the D side grow in system continuity, and constantly have those players in emotional flux. It would be the reverse of the OC carousel that characterized Lovie's years. I've a bad feeling Pagano is just using us as a stepping stone and next year we are right back in this spot.
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I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.cblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.
Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz
Preach keeping everything in front
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cblaz11 wrote:I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.cblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.
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Preach keeping everything in front
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Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure
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I was being facetious....my little :P didnt do its job i guess lolcblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
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These are my thoughts exactly. On the one hand I love the hire. Great guy, players love him, aggressive and successful as DC - everything we want. The perfect choice.VA_Mountain_Bear wrote: My biggest concern with this hire though is Pagano's ambitions or loyalties. One great way to fuck up Nagy's tenure is to waste the defensive talent by having our DC leave every year to become an HC, and never let the D side grow in system continuity, and constantly have those players in emotional flux. It would be the reverse of the OC carousel that characterized Lovie's years. I've a bad feeling Pagano is just using us as a stepping stone and next year we are right back in this spot.
On the other hand, this feels like a one year rental. He actually had a lot of success as the Colts HC and once he proves what he can do with talent on his side of the ball he'll probably be a top candidate for the 7 or 8 head coaching positions that open up in 2020.
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I think that ship has sailed for Pagano. Especially the way the league is trending. I doubt he gets a HC gig next year.Mr.Irrelevant wrote:These are my thoughts exactly. On the one hand I love the hire. Great guy, players love him, aggressive and successful as DC - everything we want. The perfect choice.VA_Mountain_Bear wrote: My biggest concern with this hire though is Pagano's ambitions or loyalties. One great way to fuck up Nagy's tenure is to waste the defensive talent by having our DC leave every year to become an HC, and never let the D side grow in system continuity, and constantly have those players in emotional flux. It would be the reverse of the OC carousel that characterized Lovie's years. I've a bad feeling Pagano is just using us as a stepping stone and next year we are right back in this spot.
On the other hand, this feels like a one year rental. He actually had a lot of success as the Colts HC and once he proves what he can do with talent on his side of the ball he'll probably be a top candidate for the 7 or 8 head coaching positions that open up in 2020.
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I like the hire. I wanted an experienced coach that could run that side of the ball with little to no direction from Nagy. It also sounds like a better personality fit for Nagy than Fangio. They’re both enthusiastic, mad man types. Pagano just needs to remember his position.
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Most defensive coordinator hires have only been positional coaches. This guy had massive success in the turnaround of a defense in Baltimore as a DC. Which is what netted him his Indy job. Has 6 years of HC'ing experience, has won in the post-season as a HC and is highly regarded around the league.Rakshir wrote:He's only been a defensive coordinator for one year, how can you guys be so confident he's a defensive genius ? I just don't get it.
His HC'ing experience also means that he'll be comfortable running that entire side of the ball by himself. His personality also meshes nicely with Nagy.
This is just about as good of a DC hire as you can ask for coming off of Fangio. A guy like Vic being on the open market was rare and we got very, very lucky with that. This is a proven guy who dominated his last DC job. You simply can't ask for more than that.
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I agree with you here. And we are going from Fangio who clearly, desperately wanted the head guy promotion, to a guy who had already gotten that job and didn't do so well at it and thus, isn't likely to get promotion consideration going forward. Kind of the best of all worlds for us.Richie wrote:Most defensive coordinator hires have only been positional coaches. This guy had massive success in the turnaround of a defense in Baltimore as a DC. Which is what netted him his Indy job. Has 6 years of HC'ing experience, has won in the post-season as a HC and is highly regarded around the league.Rakshir wrote:He's only been a defensive coordinator for one year, how can you guys be so confident he's a defensive genius ? I just don't get it.
His HC'ing experience also means that he'll be comfortable running that entire side of the ball by himself. His personality also meshes nicely with Nagy.
This is just about as good of a DC hire as you can ask for coming off of Fangio. A guy like Vic being on the open market was rare and we got very, very lucky with that. This is a proven guy who dominated his last DC job. You simply can't ask for more than that.
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When you bring in a new coordinator, the worst thing you could do is to Mel Tucker him into trying to run a scheme that isn't him.cblaz11 wrote:I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.cblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.
Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz
Preach keeping everything in front
Preach all 11 guys swarming to the ball
Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure
Instead, you have him study closely what we did last year with the pieces he has and learn how to integrate what we did and what our current cast's strengths into Pagano's concepts. Like Nagy's blocking scheme adjustment to Jordan Howard, you have to adapt to what you have. But at the same time, Pagano has experiences, things he understands well and concepts he likes to put into play that work with his style. It needs to be a blending of past and present.
Be you, Chuck Pagano.
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Mikefive wrote:When you bring in a new coordinator, the worst thing you could do is to Mel Tucker him into trying to run a scheme that isn't him.cblaz11 wrote:I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.cblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.
Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz
Preach keeping everything in front
Preach all 11 guys swarming to the ball
Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure
Instead, you have him study closely what we did last year with the pieces he has and learn how to integrate what we did and what our current cast's strengths into Pagano's concepts. Like Nagy's blocking scheme adjustment to Jordan Howard, you have to adapt to what you have. But at the same time, Pagano has experiences, things he understands well and concepts he likes to put into play that work with his style. It needs to be a blending of past and present.
Be you, Chuck Pagano.
Well said, agree 100%
First post on the board for me guys. I'm a long-time lurker (well, since KFFL went down) and enjoy reading what you guys have to say.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.
I thought I should point out from the quoted post that Pagano coached the 2011 Ravens and not the 2001 Ravens, so he didn't have the same type of talent on the roster (albeit, good talent). I liked what you did though (comparing the previous year defense to the year that he took over as DC) because that's relevant in evaluating his performance. I looked up the 2010 Ravens Defense to see what his potential impact was (admittedly, without comparing the rosters).
The 2010 Ravens ranked:
YPG - 10
PYPG - 21
RYPG - 5
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 15
YPP - 11
Def Penalties - 31
The 2011 Ravens:
YPG -3
PYPG - 4
RYPG - 3
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 13
YPP - 2
Def Penalties -19
Pretty solid improvement across the board, while maintaining the high ranked 3rd in PPG.
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Be you. Well said sir.Mikefive wrote:When you bring in a new coordinator, the worst thing you could do is to Mel Tucker him into trying to run a scheme that isn't him.cblaz11 wrote:I agree in the fact that you should identify what players had success doing what and you try to keep them in similar roles. That said, you get into trouble if you tell a coach to run someone else’s defense.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Good coordinators don't come into the #1 defense and change a bunch of shit just to stroke their ego. Chuck is considered a players' coach, so I don't expect him to muck up too much. But almost every defense will change their calls from year to year (and game to game for divisional opponents), or teams will know what the defense is adjusting to and where the blitz is coming from. The oly calls that stay the same are the Payton Manning "Omaha" dummy calls.cblaz11 wrote:DisagreeUmbali wrote:Well, he should have to learn our terminology etc..why teach the whole D when you can just make the coach learn? :P
Hope it works out
He’s the DC, trust him to do his thing. Asking the coach to come in and “fit in” is what got Mel Tucker into trouble. He was running half of his D and half of Lovies. Nobody was on the same page.
Fangio was great at disguising his coverages just enough to give the front 4 an extra second to get to the QB. He was also great at very rarely allowing plays over the top. They kept everything in front of them. When you have a more aggressive defense, that opens you up to big plays. In today’s NFL, I want Vics style over a blitz heavy D. I’m hoping Pagano agrees.
Rely on 4 man pass rush with occasional blitz
Preach keeping everything in front
Preach all 11 guys swarming to the ball
Flip coverages to ensure QB is always unsure
Instead, you have him study closely what we did last year with the pieces he has and learn how to integrate what we did and what our current cast's strengths into Pagano's concepts. Like Nagy's blocking scheme adjustment to Jordan Howard, you have to adapt to what you have. But at the same time, Pagano has experiences, things he understands well and concepts he likes to put into play that work with his style. It needs to be a blending of past and present.
Be you, Chuck Pagano.
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I hope you're right. But I beleive he did get two HC interviews this year, and if Vic's ship hadn't sailed then Chuck's hasn't either.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I think that ship has sailed for Pagano. Especially the way the league is trending. I doubt he gets a HC gig next year.Mr.Irrelevant wrote:These are my thoughts exactly. On the one hand I love the hire. Great guy, players love him, aggressive and successful as DC - everything we want. The perfect choice.VA_Mountain_Bear wrote: My biggest concern with this hire though is Pagano's ambitions or loyalties. One great way to fuck up Nagy's tenure is to waste the defensive talent by having our DC leave every year to become an HC, and never let the D side grow in system continuity, and constantly have those players in emotional flux. It would be the reverse of the OC carousel that characterized Lovie's years. I've a bad feeling Pagano is just using us as a stepping stone and next year we are right back in this spot.
On the other hand, this feels like a one year rental. He actually had a lot of success as the Colts HC and once he proves what he can do with talent on his side of the ball he'll probably be a top candidate for the 7 or 8 head coaching positions that open up in 2020.
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.Buffaloaf wrote:First post on the board for me guys. I'm a long-time lurker (well, since KFFL went down) and enjoy reading what you guys have to say.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.
I thought I should point out from the quoted post that Pagano coached the 2011 Ravens and not the 2001 Ravens, so he didn't have the same type of talent on the roster (albeit, good talent). I liked what you did though (comparing the previous year defense to the year that he took over as DC) because that's relevant in evaluating his performance. I looked up the 2010 Ravens Defense to see what his potential impact was (admittedly, without comparing the rosters).
The 2010 Ravens ranked:
YPG - 10
PYPG - 21
RYPG - 5
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 15
YPP - 11
Def Penalties - 31
The 2011 Ravens:
YPG -3
PYPG - 4
RYPG - 3
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 13
YPP - 2
Def Penalties -19
Pretty solid improvement across the board, while maintaining the high ranked 3rd in PPG.
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Thanks buffaloaf...I don't know how I screwed up the years from '11 to '01. I was in a "hurry" (waiting for my wife to tell me I had to leave when she was ready), to go to the hospital to visit a friend who got into a car wreck Thursday evening and was just transferred out of ICU and could get visitors. But still that's just dumb of me...VA_Mountain_Bear wrote:.Buffaloaf wrote:First post on the board for me guys. I'm a long-time lurker (well, since KFFL went down) and enjoy reading what you guys have to say.Atkins&Rebel wrote:Well I got too much going on to dig into this too much, but Chuck took over the Raven's Superbowl defense that was compared to the Bears '85 team for greatness. While it was still very good the following year, there were some areas that the team slipped. One was turnover margin. Bal went from 1st overall in '00 to 23rd in '01. Now was that from the offense fumbling and throwing INT's way more, or the defense just not getting the TO's it did the year before? Our team feasted off TO's this year and a major drop will make us look closer to average, especially against the schedule we have in 2019.
I thought I should point out from the quoted post that Pagano coached the 2011 Ravens and not the 2001 Ravens, so he didn't have the same type of talent on the roster (albeit, good talent). I liked what you did though (comparing the previous year defense to the year that he took over as DC) because that's relevant in evaluating his performance. I looked up the 2010 Ravens Defense to see what his potential impact was (admittedly, without comparing the rosters).
The 2010 Ravens ranked:
YPG - 10
PYPG - 21
RYPG - 5
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 15
YPP - 11
Def Penalties - 31
The 2011 Ravens:
YPG -3
PYPG - 4
RYPG - 3
PPG - 3
Turnovers - 13
YPP - 2
Def Penalties -19
Pretty solid improvement across the board, while maintaining the high ranked 3rd in PPG.
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I just saw an article that said Pagano is considering Rob Ryan as a OLB coach. Yikes? Not sure. Both Ryan brothers are pretty big personalities, so I don't know how to react to this.
Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I just saw an article that said Pagano is considering Rob Ryan as a OLB coach. Yikes? Not sure. Both Ryan brothers are pretty big personalities, so I don't know how to react to this.
And possibly Ed Reed. I’m starting to get excited.
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