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Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:41 pm

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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:53 pm

If HH believed Coward has the tools to eventually start my guess is Massie's deal will keep him here for two years like many others we've done. By year three his dead cap will only be a fraction of his salary and he can be released if need be.

This move would seem to be an indication RT won't be the first position Pace will look to fill in the draft.

The video of Amos may have been taken in Mobile. I would imagine Pace and his guys along with Nagy and his coaches are there for the Senior Bowl.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:30 pm

Massie had zero holding penalties and only one false start last year.

Only 5 teams gave up less sacks last year then the Bears. Returning all 5 starters on the oline, all 11 starters plus our 3rd WR...I’m excited for year two in this system. Also, We should get more out of Miller, Daniels, and Shaheen next year.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:49 pm

so is this bye bye to callahan?
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Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:06 pm

Rappaport is reporting it’s worth over 8 million per year. If it’s 8, it’s not terrible. Maybe a hair over what he’s worth these days, but with the cap rising it will be reasonable by year 2 or 3.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/108 ... 79360?s=20

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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:05 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:Rappaport is reporting it’s worth over 8 million per year. If it’s 8, it’s not terrible. Maybe a hair over what he’s worth these days, but with the cap rising it will be reasonable by year 2 or 3.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/108 ... 79360?s=20

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Lock up the current best available RT, who also is already on your team and invested in your system, for slightly above "what he's worth" without calculating for a rising cap. I'm going to say good for continuity, and he can probably play inside later in his career if it comes to that.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:06 pm

Moriarty wrote:That's the one I thought was most likely and necessary
Yup. I'm on record with that.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:08 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:Rappaport is reporting it’s worth over 8 million per year. If it’s 8, it’s not terrible. Maybe a hair over what he’s worth these days, but with the cap rising it will be reasonable by year 2 or 3.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/108 ... 79360?s=20

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I thought it would be $10M with the rising cap. So I'm fine with $8. That leaves us with I believe $12M left, plus cap inflation.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:17 pm

I didn't see any way we could go into a season we genuinely intend to contend for the Super Bowl without a proven option at right tackle. Pending the final numbers I'm very happy with this, just hoping we don't sign a bunch of deals that absolutely shut the window once Trubisky gets a 2nd deal.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:46 pm

Smart move even at $8 mil per year. I figured closer to $7 mil but with the cap nearing $200 mil and rising another mil to keep the OL intact won't break the bank with Whitehair still on his rookie deal for 1 more year and Daniels for 3 years.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:24 am

Mikefive wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:Rappaport is reporting it’s worth over 8 million per year. If it’s 8, it’s not terrible. Maybe a hair over what he’s worth these days, but with the cap rising it will be reasonable by year 2 or 3.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/108 ... 79360?s=20

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I thought it would be $10M with the rising cap. So I'm fine with $8. That leaves us with I believe $12M left, plus cap inflation.

We’ll have more room once we cut Sims and Acho...another 8 mill I believe.

We only have 4 WRs under contract and 2 TEs...our front line talent is coming back which is great, but I’m curious to see what we do at WR and TE. I’d love to see Brown and a draft pick at TE, and Bellamy and a draft pick at WR.

We’ll see how much Bellamy wants...
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:00 pm

Pace is doing a fantastic job. If he feels Massie is pivotal to the bears success and paid him as such, I’m down. I’m just hoping there is enough to go around for Smash and Callahan.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:18 pm

I think Amos and Callahan are gone with this signing. I just don't see the money being there with everyone else they have to bring back or replace on even small contracts.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:47 pm

Agreed on Amos...I think Callahan will be cheaper then most think and could still be back.

That said, we may not need to add many starters, but we have a lot of role player roles to fill.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:51 pm

southdakbearfan wrote:I think Amos and Callahan are gone with this signing. I just don't see the money being there with everyone else they have to bring back or replace on even small contracts.

It’s a bit early, they could easily make room for both. Simms will free up some $ and I think they will do something with Kyle Long.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:46 pm

Not factoring in Amos and Callahan...

We have to sign a 4th rb, 2 WRs, 2 TEs, and OT and OG, a DT, OLB, and punter.

Most will probably be returning players, but they will still cost money.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:45 pm

Factor into cap calculations the high probability that Massie's deal isn't like his last one where his salary was a straight $6 mil per year. This one may include some signing bonus and possibly a future roster bonus so his first year cap hit could be anywhere from say 75% to 85% of his $8 mil average annual cost. Maybe $6-$7 mil.

The same should also be true for Amos and Callahan if they can be resigned. The use of a signing bonus that's amortized against the cap over the life of the deal (25% each year in Massie's case) and a lower first year salary with increases each following year is how teams even with less cap manage to keep their own UFAs.
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Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:35 pm

I’m fine with it, as long as it’s effectively a 2 year deal.


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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:10 pm

I would assume Pace is setting these contracts up so when trubisky comes due in a few years they don't have to jettison everyone as well.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:31 am

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I’m fine with it, as long as it’s effectively a 2 year deal.


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Many are these days or at least those we can control. Typically all or the majority of the guaranteed money comes in the first two years leaving only the remainder of the signing bonus still on the books only for cap purposes and that "dead cap" is typically far less than the year 3 salary.

When we have to match another offer as we did in Fuller's case we lose that control so it does make sense to reach out to those UFAs early and try to re-sign them before they hit the open market. Pace should be looking at Amos and Callahan next looking to cut similar cap friendly deals.

For once we may finally have a huge advantage as far as keeping our guys around. Being on the verge of becoming a perennial playoff team helps a whole lot.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:30 am

My only question with resigning Massie was that I wasn't sure what Harry thought of them. Massie has a narrow waist and high center of mass that isn't ideal for the OL that likely puts a ceiling on his level of play. The results were good though last season and Harry must have signed off. Massie signing eliminates the one position they would have had to for sure draft for need, which would have been far from ideal with only limited picks in later rounds.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:05 am

I'm ok with it I suppose. I just wish they'd find a blocking scheme and stick with it.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:44 pm

wab wrote:I'm ok with it I suppose. I just wish they'd find a blocking scheme and stick with it.
Whether or not they decide to stick with Howard, will tell you a lot about the blocking scheme they want to run with. If they trade him, they will go back to power blocking.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:45 pm

sturf wrote:My only question with resigning Massie was that I wasn't sure what Harry thought of them. Massie has a narrow waist and high center of mass that isn't ideal for the OL that likely puts a ceiling on his level of play. The results were good though last season and Harry must have signed off. Massie signing eliminates the one position they would have had to for sure draft for need, which would have been far from ideal with only limited picks in later rounds.
I wouldn't count the Bears out for signing an OT in one of their first couple of picks.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:58 am

I stand corrected. Initially I had posted that Massie's previous deal was all salary with only 1 year/$6mil guaranteed because somewhere along the line it had been reported that way. Where I don't recall but I thought it was Spotrac.

Here's the correct contract structure as now reported by Spotrac. His cap hit and his cash (salary/roster bonus) have actually declined. Details on his new deal have still not been published by Spotrac.


Previous Contracts
Team signed with 2016-2018
Contract: 3 yr(s) / $18,000,000 Signing Bonus $1,500,000 Average Salary$6,000,000 Guaranteed:$6,500,000 Free Agent:2019 / UFA


Year Age Base Salary Signing Bonus Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Cap Hit Dead Yearly Cash
2016 Player contract details by year 27 $3,000,000 $500,000 $2,218,750 $100,000 $5,818,750 $6,600,000 $6,834,375($0)

2017 Player contract details by year 28 $4,200,000 $500,000 $1,234,375 $100,000 $6,034,375 $6,300,000 $5,534,375($0)

2018 Player contract details by year 29 $4,250,000 $500,000 $250,000 $100,000 $5,100,000 $5,850,000 $4,600,000($0)

2019 Free agent year 30 UFA

$6.5M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2016 salary + 2016 roster bonus)
2016 Roster Bonus: $2M (due 3/11/2016)
2017 Roster Bonus: $1M (due 3/11/2017)
2018 Roster Bonus: $1M (due 3/16/2018)
2016 Per Game Bonus: $15,625 ($250,000, 14 LTBE)
2017 Per Game Bonus: $15,625 ($250,000)
2018 Per Game Bonus: $15,625 ($250,000)
Annual Workout Bonus: $100,000
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:43 pm

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Check out the details...I feel a lot better. Basically a 2 year deal worth 16 million..with club options after that. I have to think that he would have gotten a much better deal if he tested the open market.
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:01 pm

Nice part is only a $3.8M cap hit in 2019
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Re: Bears sign Massie to 4 year extension

Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:35 pm

Good news. I had his 2019 cap pegged much higher.

It's a fair bargain on both sides. Massie got a nice raise and Pace got a very cap friendly deal.

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