Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:48 am

Remember, he was the guy who didn't know from which direction the sun rose. He will be fine. Big game, that the masses watched, he played poorly against the best coached team in existence. Not really shocked. I think McVay was off his game as well.
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:28 pm

Goff also has that passive droopiness to his demeanor that makes me unimpressed. I know, I know; it's a bad argument, but I'd follow a guy like Mitch 100 times out of 100 before I'd go with Goff.
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:51 pm

wab wrote:I don't want to be too hard on Goff, but it's clear he's a bit of a puppet with McVay pulling the strings. When Goff has to improvise and do something on his own after the headset cuts off, he struggles. It's some Cyrano de Bergerac shit.
I think, more than any other team, the Bears exposed that part of Goff. They shifted defenses with 7-10 seconds left in the play clock, and it absolutely befuddled Goff. So question becomes, is Goff a good NFL QB, or is he only good when someone can make his defensive reads for him?
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:31 pm

I'm concerned that we could get to the SB and have Biscuit play the Goff role of offensive pivot man whose game isn't quite there yet. That said, the dedication he shows to learning his craft gives us hope that he'll keep improving, maybe enough to win championship games next year with our defense. He just looks to me like one of those guys who has talent and work ethic, but also has significant room to improve inside his head.
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:48 pm

I look at the Rams, only 18 rushes. In my mind there should have been probably at least 10 more rushes. I think McVay was out thinking himself and went away from the run too much. He never gave Gurley a chance to get lathered up.
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:46 pm

Although at that time I preferred Pace pursue Jimmy Garappolo I'll admit to being a Trubisky fan even before we drafted him. He was the only rookie QB I saw as being the right fit in Chicago and I've always been happy we drafted him.

Mahomes may be a little faster out of the gate but to me he's a different style QB whose also had some advantages Mitch has not as far as his development within a very well established offense with most of it's pieces in place before he arrived.

IMHO Nagy and his staff are doing a great job of coaching Mitch. He advanced quite a bit this year and for the most part played well in a new offense with a receivers he's never worked with before this year. Next year should tell us a lot.
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:15 am

Mikefive wrote:I'm concerned that we could get to the SB and have Biscuit play the Goff role of offensive pivot man whose game isn't quite there yet. That said, the dedication he shows to learning his craft gives us hope that he'll keep improving, maybe enough to win championship games next year with our defense. He just looks to me like one of those guys who has talent and work ethic, but also has significant room to improve inside his head.
Nagy did a great job of tailoring the playbook to where Biscuit was at in his career this past season. I think if he has to that'll continue next year although I suspect this team is seriously pissed off and will be hungry as hell to improve for next season.

I was also very impressed by that last drive against the Eagles. It looked like we were fucked but Biscuit took the reigns and drove us down that field. I know its one drive and its a semi-meatball thing to think about, but that's the only playoff game example we have of Biscuit.

I consider 2018 to be Biscuit's true rookie year. In the first year with a new HC, OC, WR group for the most part and a complex offense, Biscuit didn't really LOSE a game for us. The games where he didn't play well that come to mind are the New England game and the Rams game. The New England game we lost mainly because special teams gave up a couple scores. The Rams game was a win anyway because of the defense.
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Re: Goff vs Mitch? Mitch has grown more than you think...

Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:06 pm

Bearfacts wrote: ... for the most part played well in a new offense with a receivers he's never worked with before this year. Next year should tell us a lot.
I've been saying this all season.

New QB
New Receivers
New system
New HC
... PLUS the fact that Nagy is more of a rookie as a HC than Biscuit is as a QB.

I see this as the beginning of a good, sustained stretch for the Bears.

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