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I knew Robinson missed the Vikes week 17 game with "ribs", but I didn't know he had multiple broken ribs. I saw this from another source recently that I didn't feel was trustworthy. But now we're seeing more stuff that says he had 10 catches and 143 yards battling broken ribs in the Eagles game. That's some pretty stud-worthy stuff right there.

The AntBrown discussion makes me think we need to talk about ARob some more. He had a nice year for us coming off an ACL. I think we have to keep in mind that it's common for ACL guys to play the next year, but not at their full potential. Then they bounce back to being themselves their 2nd year after. That's what I expect from Robinson and is a key reason why we should run away screaming from any AntBrown consideration. So don't look at his good/not great 2018 numbers and say this is all we can expect from him going forward. I just don't think that's the case at all.

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I think with everyone learning the offense, trubisky's learning/development curve at the position and with the injuries it limited what any WR could and would produce in the offense.

I look at it as a very positive year, trending up. Now do I think AR with go for 1,500, probably not. But I think 1,000 is very reachable with health the next couple seasons and with the emergence of AM17 AR will see even more single coverage and the two will feed off of each other, along with burton & gabriel.
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Mikefive wrote:I knew Robinson missed the Vikes week 17 game with "ribs", but I didn't know he had [url=https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/ ... of-season/]multiple broken ribs.[url] I saw this from another source recently that I didn't feel was trustworthy. But now we're seeing more stuff that says he had 10 catches and 143 yards battling broken ribs in the Eagles game. That's some pretty stud-worthy stuff right there.

The AntBrown discussion makes me think we need to talk about ARob some more. He had a nice year for us coming off an ACL. I think we have to keep in mind that it's common for ACL guys to play the next year, but not at their full potential. Then they bounce back to being themselves their 2nd year after. That's what I expect from Robinson and is a key reason why we should run away screaming from any AntBrown consideration. So don't look at his good/not great 2018 numbers and say this is all we can expect from him going forward. I just don't think that's the case at all.

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Wow, that's incredible that he played such a great game with broken ribs. Thanks for sharing.

Another factor in liking AR is that he will only be 26 by the start of the season.
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Well.....we'd save $13 mil in cash and end up with a $7 mil dead cap hit if we swapped ARob for ABrown and then end up paying Brown $15 mil and change. So we'd spend $2 mil more in cash and eat up $9 mil more cap. Deal or No Deal. LOL
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southdakbearfan wrote:I think with everyone learning the offense, trubisky's learning/development curve at the position and with the injuries it limited what any WR could and would produce in the offense.

I look at it as a very positive year, trending up. Now do I think AR with go for 1,500, probably not. But I think 1,000 is very reachable with health the next couple seasons and with the emergence of AM17 AR will see even more single coverage and the two will feed off of each other, along with burton & gabriel.
Big difference between 1000 and 1500. If AR12 only goes for 1000 next year, then we overpaid. But I think he surpasses that. Look for him to hit the 1200-1300 range and quickly become the guy defenses look to take away. But with his size, that's going to be tough to do, depending on who the matchup is. Still, with him drawing attention, it allows everybody else, Miller in particular, to get more open looks and result in a growing Biscuit to continue to spread it around.
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Not sure AR will hit the 1200+ range. I don't think it is needed either. Gabriel, Miller, Shaheen (hopefully) and Cohen will be grabbing quite a few passes as well. I don't think AR needs those #s for the team to be successful.
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There's no reason for me to think AR can't exceed what he did in 2015 with the Jaguars (80 catches for 1,400 yards). I believe in him and reading about him playing with broken ribs just makes me like him even more.
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ARob does this, while Trey Burton sits out with a Mangina problem.

Yea, I'm still pissed. Different game with Burton on the field.
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I think 1000 to 1200 should be obtainable and expected from AR.

Miller will become WR option #2 and situationally #1 in certain instances this coming season. - 1,000 yard range

Gabriel will be in the 5-700 yard range
Burton & Cohen 5-700 yard range
Shaheen 3-500 yd, more specialist in situations.

Thats in the 4000 + yd range for Mitch, which i think is very plausible.

This offense spreads it around and many times there is a different guy every week leading the way.
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There were some flashes towards the end of the season, that told me ARob was ready to be the player he was in 2015. The guy is cold hard money in one-on-one match-ups. If Nagy is smart, and we all know he is, he will teach Biscuits to read the coverage on the outside. If Robinson is in press coverage with no help on top, Mitch should be throwing to him EVERY SINGLE TIME. With a ball in the air, Robinson has a 70%+ chance of coming down with it. His body control and catch radius are absolutely sick. So excited to see what Mitch and Allen can build together.
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Look Antonio Brown is a great talent, but he is beginning to move into the (likely) downward side of his career with age. Doesn't mean it starts next season, but the inevitable cannot be stopped. Also, it would reset the clock on developing chemistry and trust with Mitch, so I wouldn't want to swap Robinson for Brown at all. Robinson developing another year with Mitch is a much better plan.
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In Anthony Miller we may have a budding Antonio Brown type WR. I really like the kid and his attitude.

That said why would we swap a 25 year old ARob who can also dominate a game and who Mitch is now beginning to develop some serious rapport with for a much older, much smaller, more costly version. IMHO it's crazy.
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Robinson exceeded my own expectations for him this past year, and being, as mentioned ONLY 25(!), just now entering his prime, a season removed from his ACL tear, a season of the offense under his belt, I am legit excited about him and miller next year. I think I'm in the minority in that I dont really care for Gabriel (or more to the point, how Nagy uses him), but AROB is awesome and seemingly a good, low-key dude on top of that.
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RustyTrubisky wrote:Robinson exceeded my own expectations for him this past year, and being, as mentioned ONLY 25(!), just now entering his prime, a season removed from his ACL tear, a season of the offense under his belt, I am legit excited about him and miller next year. I think I'm in the minority in that I dont really care for Gabriel (or more to the point, how Nagy uses him), but AROB is awesome and seemingly a good, low-key dude on top of that.
It blows me away that he is only 25. That's crazy. I think he's going to go into this year with a lot more confidence. Another year on the knee, in the offense, with Trubisky, etc. I think he could recapture his 2015 magic. As for Miller, we don't need ABrown, when we have Miller. That kid played 3/4 of the season with a dislocated shoulder, and was still productive. Finally, I agree with you on Gabriel. I don't like the way Nagy used him. I would like to see a lot more flys and skinny posts from him. There were very few plays where Nagy tried to take the top off with TG.
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Otis Day wrote:Not sure AR will hit the 1200+ range. I don't think it is needed either. Gabriel, Miller, Shaheen (hopefully) and Cohen will be grabbing quite a few passes as well. I don't think AR needs those #s for the team to be successful.
My guesstimate is 1000-1100. Nagy's system is about spreading the ball around. Someone else will be in that area also, Miller or Burton or someone.
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He definitely showed flashes, and I'm excited about him having a full offseason and training camp where he isn't rehabbing and can work fully with Mitch. That should definitely help him them connect better on deep balls especially. They also signed him to be a #1 receiver not only in terms of catches and yardage, but to be the leader of the WR's and set example on the field and in the classroom. He appeared to do just that.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:There were some flashes towards the end of the season, that told me ARob was ready to be the player he was in 2015. The guy is cold hard money in one-on-one match-ups. If Nagy is smart, and we all know he is, he will teach Biscuits to read the coverage on the outside. If Robinson is in press coverage with no help on top, Mitch should be throwing to him EVERY SINGLE TIME. With a ball in the air, Robinson has a 70%+ chance of coming down with it. His body control and catch radius are absolutely sick. So excited to see what Mitch and Allen can build together.
This is the area that Nagy said in their post-playoffs presser that Trubisky will be working on to get better in the offseason. Recognizing and identifying defenses pre-snap correctly, but also being able to adjust to the coverage defenses give post-snap. 2018 was a year for Trubisky to learn the schematics, plays and nuances of Nagy's offense. Now that he has experience with those fundamentals, it's time for him to take his game to that next level that the elite QB's are able to do. Diagnose a defense pre-snap correctly and make them pay.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:
RustyTrubisky wrote:Robinson exceeded my own expectations for him this past year, and being, as mentioned ONLY 25(!), just now entering his prime, a season removed from his ACL tear, a season of the offense under his belt, I am legit excited about him and miller next year. I think I'm in the minority in that I dont really care for Gabriel (or more to the point, how Nagy uses him), but AROB is awesome and seemingly a good, low-key dude on top of that.
It blows me away that he is only 25. That's crazy. I think he's going to go into this year with a lot more confidence. Another year on the knee, in the offense, with Trubisky, etc. I think he could recapture his 2015 magic. As for Miller, we don't need ABrown, when we have Miller. That kid played 3/4 of the season with a dislocated shoulder, and was still productive. Finally, I agree with you on Gabriel. I don't like the way Nagy used him. I would like to see a lot more flys and skinny posts from him. There were very few plays where Nagy tried to take the top off with TG.
I thought he did in the Miami and TB game but not much anywhere else. There were a couple of games where Nagy said defense took away the deep ball to Gabrield (Pats and 1st Vikes game) and forced us to go underneath. Miami and TB played a lot of man coverage so we were able to exploit their defenses with deeper routes.
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