I'm with you.VA_Mountain_Bear wrote:It would make some sense to let these two go to their natural positions. I agree in general with not moving guys all around, but if HH thinks they should swap back to their natural positions, it makes sense.
Update: Daniels to move to C, Whitehair to G
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I think with his movement skills, Daniels could be the best center in the NFL.
Actually listening to Nagy I don't think anything is being floated. A reporter had a pre-determined he wanted to write. They may very will switch. It is worth trying, but I'll believe it when they actually swap with the 1st team in training camp. Having watched these guys up close in training camp I remain unconvinced that Whithair would actually be better in the NFL as an undersized guard than he is at center. And I have seen nothing in NFL games that shows that either.
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Undersized? He's the same size as Daniels. He's the same size as Zack Martin. He's bigger than the Bears' left tackle.sturf wrote:Actually listening to Nagy I don't think anything is being floated. A reporter had a pre-determined he wanted to write. They may very will switch. It is worth trying, but I'll believe it when they actually swap with the 1st team in training camp. Having watched these guys up close in training camp I remain unconvinced that Whithair would actually be better in the NFL as an undersized guard than he is at center. And I have seen nothing in NFL games that shows that either.
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Solid points, I get it.southdakbearfan wrote:I can understand not wanting a rookie at center when you are putting in a new offense, grooming a young QB and want your line calls correct.
If HH says it is the way to go I would call it close to Gospel.
Just hope they don't get too fancy and fix something that we all thought would be a problem and then turned out not to be broken at all.
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I don't get what the discussion is even about ... a talking head is who "floated the idea", not Nagy or Hiestand
so maybe we should wait until training camp and see what the team is actually up to?
so maybe we should wait until training camp and see what the team is actually up to?
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Don’t be so boring. We have to debate something.Boris13c wrote:I don't get what the discussion is even about ... a talking head is who "floated the idea", not Nagy or Hiestand
so maybe we should wait until training camp and see what the team is actually up to?
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southdakbearfan wrote:Don’t be so boring. We have to debate something.Boris13c wrote:I don't get what the discussion is even about ... a talking head is who "floated the idea", not Nagy or Hiestand
so maybe we should wait until training camp and see what the team is actually up to?
I say Right Twix
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Whitehair is two pounds lighter than Leno, wab, LOLwab wrote:Undersized? He's the same size as Daniels. He's the same size as Zack Martin. He's bigger than the Bears' left tackle.sturf wrote:Actually listening to Nagy I don't think anything is being floated. A reporter had a pre-determined he wanted to write. They may very will switch. It is worth trying, but I'll believe it when they actually swap with the 1st team in training camp. Having watched these guys up close in training camp I remain unconvinced that Whithair would actually be better in the NFL as an undersized guard than he is at center. And I have seen nothing in NFL games that shows that either.
But more to the point: he and Leno and Daniels and Long are all within ten pounds of each other. There's every indication that's the size the Bears want on the OL.
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I say left Twix, but he was drafted as a right Twix so we might be agreeingBoris13c wrote:southdakbearfan wrote:Don’t be so boring. We have to debate something.Boris13c wrote:I don't get what the discussion is even about ... a talking head is who "floated the idea", not Nagy or Hiestand
so maybe we should wait until training camp and see what the team is actually up to?
I say Right Twix
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Cody Whitehair - 6'4 310thunderspirit wrote:Whitehair is two pounds lighter than Leno, wab, LOLwab wrote:Undersized? He's the same size as Daniels. He's the same size as Zack Martin. He's bigger than the Bears' left tackle.sturf wrote:Actually listening to Nagy I don't think anything is being floated. A reporter had a pre-determined he wanted to write. They may very will switch. It is worth trying, but I'll believe it when they actually swap with the 1st team in training camp. Having watched these guys up close in training camp I remain unconvinced that Whithair would actually be better in the NFL as an undersized guard than he is at center. And I have seen nothing in NFL games that shows that either.
But more to the point: he and Leno and Daniels and Long are all within ten pounds of each other. There's every indication that's the size the Bears want on the OL.
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Whitehair, Daniels, and Leno may be roughly the same height, but the size differences are apparent when you see them standing next to each other like I have regularly at training camp.
Daniels was 20 years old and already a few pounds heavier at the combine than Whitehair was only at 301 at the combine. Daniels has arms a full inch and change longer than Whitehair. Daniels is only likely to get heavier in the NFL given how young he is. When you see these two stand next to each other it is obvious Daniels is the bigger bodied guy with obvious room to gain weight, while Whitehair looks maxed out as far as weight and he hasn't looked any bigger since his rookie season.
Leno has two inches in arm length on Whitehair and has obviously added weight since he was drafted, which is why Leno has the size to still play left tackle and Whitehair isn't. Again Leno and Whitehair may be a similar height, but they don't look the same size. Wab saying Whitehair is bigger than Leno is completely off base. Zach Martin who he also brought up is also taller, heavier, and longer than Whitehair.
Getting back to my original point. Generally if you have two guys and one weighs less and has shorter arms than the other. You play the heavier and longer player at guard, and the lighter and shorter armed player at center. Harry may make a different decision. My point is that it is not as obvious a switch as some people in this thread were making it as someone that has seen them up close.
Daniels was 20 years old and already a few pounds heavier at the combine than Whitehair was only at 301 at the combine. Daniels has arms a full inch and change longer than Whitehair. Daniels is only likely to get heavier in the NFL given how young he is. When you see these two stand next to each other it is obvious Daniels is the bigger bodied guy with obvious room to gain weight, while Whitehair looks maxed out as far as weight and he hasn't looked any bigger since his rookie season.
Leno has two inches in arm length on Whitehair and has obviously added weight since he was drafted, which is why Leno has the size to still play left tackle and Whitehair isn't. Again Leno and Whitehair may be a similar height, but they don't look the same size. Wab saying Whitehair is bigger than Leno is completely off base. Zach Martin who he also brought up is also taller, heavier, and longer than Whitehair.
Getting back to my original point. Generally if you have two guys and one weighs less and has shorter arms than the other. You play the heavier and longer player at guard, and the lighter and shorter armed player at center. Harry may make a different decision. My point is that it is not as obvious a switch as some people in this thread were making it as someone that has seen them up close.
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Saying Whitehair is "undersized" is what is off base.sturf wrote:Whitehair, Daniels, and Leno may be roughly the same height, but the size differences are apparent when you see them standing next to each other like I have regularly at training camp.
Daniels was 20 years old and already a few pounds heavier at the combine than Whitehair was only at 301 at the combine. Daniels has arms a full inch and change longer than Whitehair. Daniels is only likely to get heavier in the NFL given how young he is. When you see these two stand next to each other it is obvious Daniels is the bigger bodied guy with obvious room to gain weight, while Whitehair looks maxed out as far as weight and he hasn't looked any bigger since his rookie season.
Leno has two inches in arm length on Whitehair and has obviously added weight since he was drafted, which is why Leno has the size to still play left tackle and Whitehair isn't. Again Leno and Whitehair may be a similar height, but they don't look the same size. Wab saying Whitehair is bigger than Leno is completely off base. Zach Martin who he also brought up is also taller, heavier, and longer than Whitehair.
Getting back to my original point. Generally if you have two guys and one weighs less and has shorter arms than the other. You play the heavier and longer player at guard, and the lighter and shorter armed player at center. Harry may make a different decision. My point is that it is not as obvious a switch as some people in this thread were making it as someone that has seen them up close.
But I'll leave it at that.
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First of all : Left Twix. Lefties are always harder to defend, and even tho I am mostly right handed I can throw either and my left it way better, and my daughter and wife are full left handed and God help me if they ever find an internet post where I picked the Right. Other than politics lol.
Now as far as Whitehair and Daniels, um the experts who's jobs, career paychecks etc are on the line are not going to do the stupid thing compared to us internet hacks who may or may not have seen them standing around at TC or playing in a game. I would have to guess they will make their decisions off of a 100 different things that we never have access to.
Resume your off season speculations!
Now as far as Whitehair and Daniels, um the experts who's jobs, career paychecks etc are on the line are not going to do the stupid thing compared to us internet hacks who may or may not have seen them standing around at TC or playing in a game. I would have to guess they will make their decisions off of a 100 different things that we never have access to.
Resume your off season speculations!
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This is the move we all wanted last year and now almost everyone Is annoyed by it. Tbh I feel it too but I think this’ll be best in the long run
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crueltyabc wrote:This is the move we all wanted last year and now almost everyone Is annoyed by it. Tbh I feel it too but I think this’ll be best in the long run
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Not everyone. I didn't want it. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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The Bears finished the season with the league’s second-best pass blocking efficiency of any offensive line, and this was yet another team without a real weak link. Rookie James Daniels ended up earning their lowest grade at 62.3 overall, but Charles Leno Jr., Bobby Massie, and Cody Whitehair were all over 70.0.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus Daniels held up great against Donald so he may be in his Natural position.
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I think moving players gets a bad press down to attempts to shoehorn guys into, typically, tackle spots out of desperation. It's seems fairly obvious to me that both Whitehair and Daniels are Good Players who can play both guard and centre. I happen to be of the opinion that Whitehair will never be an elite centre buy could be an elite guard and suspect the opposite for Daniels (he's only had one year so I wouldn't make a strong assertion) but the bottom line for me is that it's incredibly unlikely that everything would go to hell if we, ulp, "moved" them.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/pl ... iels/45576EricTighe wrote:crueltyabc wrote:This is the move we all wanted last year and now almost everyone Is annoyed by it. Tbh I feel it too but I think this’ll be best in the long run
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Not everyone. I didn't want it. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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The Bears finished the season with the league’s second-best pass blocking efficiency of any offensive line, and this was yet another team without a real weak link. Rookie James Daniels ended up earning their lowest grade at 62.3 overall, but Charles Leno Jr., Bobby Massie, and Cody Whitehair were all over 70.0.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus Daniels held up great against Donald so he may be in his Natural position.
I can't believe Daniels graded average. I know it was one game but he shut Donald down.
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Yeah, I'll eat crow on that, I was still looking at draft profiles.wab wrote:Cody Whitehair - 6'4 310thunderspirit wrote:Whitehair is two pounds lighter than Leno, wab, LOLwab wrote:Undersized? He's the same size as Daniels. He's the same size as Zack Martin. He's bigger than the Bears' left tackle.sturf wrote:Actually listening to Nagy I don't think anything is being floated. A reporter had a pre-determined he wanted to write. They may very will switch. It is worth trying, but I'll believe it when they actually swap with the 1st team in training camp. Having watched these guys up close in training camp I remain unconvinced that Whithair would actually be better in the NFL as an undersized guard than he is at center. And I have seen nothing in NFL games that shows that either.
But more to the point: he and Leno and Daniels and Long are all within ten pounds of each other. There's every indication that's the size the Bears want on the OL.
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Your larger point — that Whitehair is not at all undersized — stands.
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Amen.wab wrote:
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The Bears OL is going to take another big step forward this year.wab wrote:
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Sounds like he's been snapping the ball cleanly, so that's a +
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I know this isn't hugely surprising but I think it will have a pretty big difference. From Trubisky getting the ball a little cleaner to Whitehair being able to concentrate on just being a beast to Daniels utilising every last bit of his mobility.
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