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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 12:07 pm 
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Da Coach was #6? I think he got screwed.

Put me down for Ditka in spots 1 through 200 on the Top 100 list.

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Urlacher and Forte should've been much higher and I wasn't even that big of a Forte fan, but he did have some awesome years.

Cutler at 85 and McMahon at 53? That should be reversed at a minimum and Cutler should be higher. OK fine, McMahon was the QB of the Super Bowl winning team but the defense won that one.

Gale Sayers was a great player but he didn't really play that long.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 12:17 pm 
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Lists like this a pretty subjective, but I don't see how Urlacher wasn't in the top 10.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 1:11 pm 
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How much did Lance Briggs pay to get that high on the list? He's a quality player, but the 28th best player ever? Just going by stats on this one? Otis and Wilbur were better IMO. I would also have Tillman ranked ahead of him by talent.


Excellent point.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 1:12 pm 
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wab wrote:
Lists like this a pretty subjective, but I don't see how Urlacher wasn't in the top 10.


I think if you do lists like this for a franchise this old you have to go by eras. You can't tell me Sid Luckman would be a HoF QB running a modern offense, likewise I imagine some modern players would be confused as hell in playing in the 40's.

Hell, even some of the guys from the '85 team would have issues dominating the game today, namely because of how many rules are in place to protect the QB and neuter physical defenses.

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Excellent point. Trying to do any sort of real comparison between players of different eras simply doesn't work for a number of reasons. So the list can make for a lively discussion but does not really have a basis of merit regarding who ranks where unless it is segmented by eras as you suggest.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 1:30 pm 
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These type of lists are all about getting discussion going. I really don't like them as for reasons mentioned prior (different eras, rules, ways to play the game).

McMichael #19? WTF? Not seeing him anywhere close to top 50.

Harlan Hill at #39. I would rank him up higher no doubt.

Urlacher top 10 would be a no brainer, possibly even top 5.

But what the hell.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:01 pm 
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wab wrote:
Lists like this a pretty subjective, but I don't see how Urlacher wasn't in the top 10.


Uhhh...Jay Cutler holds most of the Bears passing records, and somehow he's #85. Jay should easily be in the top 25.

(There I did it. I've successfully converted this to a Jay Cutler thread).

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Were Dennis McKinnon or Willie Gault better than Marty Booker? I sure don't think so.

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UOK wrote:
wab wrote:
Lists like this a pretty subjective, but I don't see how Urlacher wasn't in the top 10.


I think if you do lists like this for a franchise this old you have to go by eras. You can't tell me Sid Luckman would be a HoF QB running a modern offense, likewise I imagine some modern players would be confused as hell in playing in the 40's.

Hell, even some of the guys from the '85 team would have issues dominating the game today, namely because of how many rules are in place to protect the QB and neuter physical defenses.


But you also have the argument that these guys would have access to modern training and "supplements" and could have been much better than they were. You can only look at how guys dominated the talent around them and use that as the basic metric.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:49 am 
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Atkins&Rebel wrote:
UOK wrote:
wab wrote:
Lists like this a pretty subjective, but I don't see how Urlacher wasn't in the top 10.


I think if you do lists like this for a franchise this old you have to go by eras. You can't tell me Sid Luckman would be a HoF QB running a modern offense, likewise I imagine some modern players would be confused as hell in playing in the 40's.

Hell, even some of the guys from the '85 team would have issues dominating the game today, namely because of how many rules are in place to protect the QB and neuter physical defenses.


But you also have the argument that these guys would have access to modern training and "supplements" and could have been much better than they were. You can only look at how guys dominated the talent around them and use that as the basic metric.
There's merit to this argument I think. Butkus would've been a maniac today like he was in the '60s. But at the same time, kids are bigger these days (for debatable reasons good and bad, I suppose). Linemen back in the 1930's were like 230-240 sometimes. Maybe less. They wouldn't have a prayer playing today.

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