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 Post subject: Chuck Pagano talk
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:48 am 
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Another offseason dead zone discussion...

The following is pasted from Wikipedia's Chuck Pagano entry pre-Indy head coaching job...
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In 2001, Pagano joined Davis in the NFL as secondary coach for the Cleveland Browns. In 2003, he helped the Browns tie a franchise record for the fewest passing touchdowns allowed with 13. In 2001, the secondary accounted for 28 of the Browns' NFL-high 33 interceptions, and, in the same season, rookie cornerback Anthony Henry led the league with ten interceptions.
After leaving Cleveland in 2004, Pagano spent two seasons as the defensive backs coach of the Oakland Raiders. In 2006, the Raiders allowed just 151 passing yards per game and 285 total yards per game. This ranked them first and third in the league, respectively.
Pagano was named to John Harbaugh's initial coaching staff with the Baltimore Ravens on February 12, 2008.[3] He served as defensive secondary coach for three seasons. He was promoted to Defensive Coordinator on January 18, 2011, succeeding Greg Mattison who accepted a similar position at the University of Michigan.[4] That year, Pagano's defense finished 3rd in both points allowed and in yards allowed. They finished 13 in takeaways and 2nd Rush yards allowed, but Baltimore's defense has always been known for its ability to stop the run. Pagano drastically improved the pass defense going from 21st in passing yards allowed to 4th. They improved from 9th in passing touchdowns allowed to 1st in the league. The defense also came away with 17 interceptions. Pagano is known for his ability in secondary and ability to stop opposing teams pass attack.
I know there was some discussion of this when he was hired, but does anybody feel like having a guy with only one year of DC experience could be a problem? It is a curious factor that he has so little DC experience, yet replaces maybe the most tenured DC in the league. Along the same line, last year's coordinator was renowned for his creativity in getting to the passer and this year's has arguably almost no experience working in that area.

Obviously, it appears that he should be a boon for the DBs, particularly our rather experienced group. But at the same time, he's really going to be leaning on his front 7 coaches, since that's not his area. That those front 7 guys have a reasonably amount of experience should help.

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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:08 am 
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Didn't Nagy only have a hand full of games that he called plays in KC? He had less experience calling plays than Pagano and he's done a great job so far and only will get better with more experience. Pagano was a HC candidate because of his coaching just like Nagy so I wouldn't be too worried...

His style as I've read since we hired him is more aggressive than Fangio and will bring different positions in on the blitz. With him being a great DB coach he should be able to make our DBs even better so they can handle a little extra one on one pressure with more people blitzing.

I think on paper he is a perfect fit because there's one thing I didn't like about Fangio and that was that he didn't blitz enough IMO and could have been more creative when doing so. With this roster, I find it really hard to believe we take a step backward like a lot of NFL pundits are saying. They are stacked in every position with excellent depth. So long as Pagano doesn't try rewriting the book (which he said he isn't) it should be a relatively seamless transition.

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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
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I think Pagano will be a quality replacement for Fangio, and seems to fit much better into Nagy's umbrella of coaches. Fangio is on a different level and would've likely been the better short-term coach to lead our defense toward a championship, but Pagano is no slouch.

His destiny as a Bears coach falls more in the realm of how he plays chess against opposing offenses in perhaps the most offense-centric era in NFL history.

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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
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What I think will be interesting (and maybe really fun) to see is how he orchestrates his more aggressive blitz schemes in concert with his superior DB coaching of a group of experienced and capable guys. The "when we call this blitz, adjust your coverage to attack this coverage area because the ball is coming out quicker and under duress" kind of combination calls will be potentially super exciting, leading to big plays.

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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:05 pm 
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I don't doubt that Pagano can be a leader and get players to buy in. He's probably a more natural fit in the culture Nagy is creating, butt in game coaching and game planning was the area that I thought Pagano might be a step back from Fangio. Fangio might be old school, but he also studied statistics and tendencies. Fangio was a very disciplined and rigorous thinker, which you don't always get especially with defensive coaches. I hope there is a thinker behind Pagano's slogans.


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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:48 pm 
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Pagano is a good coach and has been pretty successful at every stop. He had a brutal defensive roster his last 3 years in Indy littered with aging vets and fringe players.

He inherits one of the 3 or 4 most talented defensive rosters in the NFL. His aggressive style and personality suits the Bears roster very well. He's great at designing mismatches and bringing the blitz from unconventional angles/places. Fangio wasn't super creative, and I think that was one of the things people wished he was. His defenses were always extremely fundamentally sound. Everyone generally did their job perfectly and were in the right position more often than not. That was Fangio's hallmark, OC's couldn't get one over on him because of the preparedness. I think where Pagano will succeed is similar to the way Nagy succeeds. Creativity and mismatches. I don't see the fundamental discipline going away - at least not to a level that's detrimental.

I loved Fangio and didn't want to see him leave, but I don't know if the Bears could have gotten a better replacement.


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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
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I think I could coach that unit to a top 10 defense with a playbook of finger paintings.

Chuck should be a good option.


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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 5:11 pm 
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I appreciate Fangio in the role he took reshaping the defensive roster.
we now have a much better game day coach, and I am very excited for the upcoming season.


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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:47 pm 
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wab wrote:
Pagano is a good coach and has been pretty successful at every stop. He had a brutal defensive roster his last 3 years in Indy littered with aging vets and fringe players.

He inherits one of the 3 or 4 most talented defensive rosters in the NFL. His aggressive style and personality suits the Bears roster very well. He's great at designing mismatches and bringing the blitz from unconventional angles/places. Fangio wasn't super creative, and I think that was one of the things people wished he was. His defenses were always extremely fundamentally sound. Everyone generally did their job perfectly and were in the right position more often than not. That was Fangio's hallmark, OC's couldn't get one over on him because of the preparedness. I think where Pagano will succeed is similar to the way Nagy succeeds. Creativity and mismatches. I don't see the fundamental discipline going away - at least not to a level that's detrimental.

I loved Fangio and didn't want to see him leave, but I don't know if the Bears could have gotten a better replacement.


^ This.

To add my two pennies, I think that Pagano's defense will give up some more big plays but I believe the hope is that it will be off-set with a much better offensive showing. More often than not, his blitzes (hopefully) will get home and we won't be slamming our heads into the wall after another third and long conversion (think: Playoff game).

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 Post subject: Re: Chuck Pagano talk
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G08 wrote:
wab wrote:
Pagano is a good coach and has been pretty successful at every stop. He had a brutal defensive roster his last 3 years in Indy littered with aging vets and fringe players.

He inherits one of the 3 or 4 most talented defensive rosters in the NFL. His aggressive style and personality suits the Bears roster very well. He's great at designing mismatches and bringing the blitz from unconventional angles/places. Fangio wasn't super creative, and I think that was one of the things people wished he was. His defenses were always extremely fundamentally sound. Everyone generally did their job perfectly and were in the right position more often than not. That was Fangio's hallmark, OC's couldn't get one over on him because of the preparedness. I think where Pagano will succeed is similar to the way Nagy succeeds. Creativity and mismatches. I don't see the fundamental discipline going away - at least not to a level that's detrimental.

I loved Fangio and didn't want to see him leave, but I don't know if the Bears could have gotten a better replacement.


^ This.

To add my two pennies, I think that Pagano's defense will give up some more big plays but I believe the hope is that it will be off-set with a much better offensive showing. More often than not, his blitzes (hopefully) will get home and we won't be slamming our heads into the wall after another third and long conversion (think: Playoff game).


Yep. I think there is a chance that there are more big plays, but I also see there being a chance of them being even more dominant being a bit more aggressive vs last season.


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