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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:54 am 
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What the advanced analytics say about Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky

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So, while it’s true the Bears have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with a head coach who appears to be one of the best young offensive minds in the game, we’re very skeptical of Trubisky as a passer in 2019. While it’s possible (likely?) that he makes process-level improvements, namely that he’s more accurate and avoids negatively-graded plays more frequently, it’s probably unlikely that they will be enough in and of themselves to overcome the statistical regression that his data begs. Add in the likelihood that the Bears are not the clear-cut best defense in the NFL in 2019 and things will just be harder for Chicago and their young quarterback. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.


while they may have made some statistical points in their story, the true measure of a QB is beyond that which can be charted on a stat sheet ... those hard to define, but you know it when you see it, intangibles ... and I think Mr. Trubisky has that ... and unlike PFF, I believe he is smart enough and coachable enough to understand where he needs to improve as a player and will take measures to do so

so be skeptical all you want PFF, the Bears, with Trubisky leading the offense, WILL improve ... so :flick:

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Jonathan Wood at DaBearsBlog wrote about PFF's analysis.
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/sta ... 1466569731

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Great follow up article thunderspirit. Thanks!

Completely agree. I think the probability that Trubisky takes another leap forward this year, is much higher than some sort of major regression.


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PFF has never had a favorable opinion of Trubisky.


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Boris13c wrote:
What the advanced analytics say about Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky

the summary paragraph clearly expresses their opinion :

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So, while it’s true the Bears have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with a head coach who appears to be one of the best young offensive minds in the game, we’re very skeptical of Trubisky as a passer in 2019. While it’s possible (likely?) that he makes process-level improvements, namely that he’s more accurate and avoids negatively-graded plays more frequently, it’s probably unlikely that they will be enough in and of themselves to overcome the statistical regression that his data begs. Add in the likelihood that the Bears are not the clear-cut best defense in the NFL in 2019 and things will just be harder for Chicago and their young quarterback. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.


while they may have made some statistical points in their story, the true measure of a QB is beyond that which can be charted on a stat sheet ... those hard to define, but you know it when you see it, intangibles ... and I think Mr. Trubisky has that ... and unlike PFF, I believe he is smart enough and coachable enough to understand where he needs to improve as a player and will take measures to do so

so be skeptical all you want PFF, the Bears, with Trubisky leading the offense, WILL improve ... so :flick:


2019 is really the first year that would be fair to start evaluating Biscuit. His actual rookie year was a loss because it was under Fox and it wound up being a transition year to Nagy. Last year he had to learn a very complex offense, as did all his receivers who were also new to the Bears, and we went 12-4 with a lot of help from a great defense.

Not exactly sure what they expected of Biscuit last year.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:18 am 
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The Marshall Plan wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
What the advanced analytics say about Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky

the summary paragraph clearly expresses their opinion :

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So, while it’s true the Bears have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with a head coach who appears to be one of the best young offensive minds in the game, we’re very skeptical of Trubisky as a passer in 2019. While it’s possible (likely?) that he makes process-level improvements, namely that he’s more accurate and avoids negatively-graded plays more frequently, it’s probably unlikely that they will be enough in and of themselves to overcome the statistical regression that his data begs. Add in the likelihood that the Bears are not the clear-cut best defense in the NFL in 2019 and things will just be harder for Chicago and their young quarterback. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.


while they may have made some statistical points in their story, the true measure of a QB is beyond that which can be charted on a stat sheet ... those hard to define, but you know it when you see it, intangibles ... and I think Mr. Trubisky has that ... and unlike PFF, I believe he is smart enough and coachable enough to understand where he needs to improve as a player and will take measures to do so

so be skeptical all you want PFF, the Bears, with Trubisky leading the offense, WILL improve ... so :flick:


2019 is really the first year that would be fair to start evaluating Biscuit. His actual rookie year was a loss because it was under Fox and it wound up being a transition year to Nagy. Last year he had to learn a very complex offense, as did all his receivers who were also new to the Bears, and we went 12-4 with a lot of help from a great defense.

Not exactly sure what they expected of Biscuit last year.


Right? Here is a whole new HC/OC, a whole new offense that is 10x more complex than the one he ran under Loggains, and oh by the way, here is a whole new crop of receivers.

I hate analysts who JUST look at numbers, and don't take into account (sometimes extreme) extenuating circumstances.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:45 am 
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wab wrote:
PFF has never had a favorable opinion of Trubisky.


They were high on his rookie season and graded him higher than Deshaun Watson. The 2018 season was a turnabout.


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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
What the advanced analytics say about Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky

the summary paragraph clearly expresses their opinion :

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So, while it’s true the Bears have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with a head coach who appears to be one of the best young offensive minds in the game, we’re very skeptical of Trubisky as a passer in 2019. While it’s possible (likely?) that he makes process-level improvements, namely that he’s more accurate and avoids negatively-graded plays more frequently, it’s probably unlikely that they will be enough in and of themselves to overcome the statistical regression that his data begs. Add in the likelihood that the Bears are not the clear-cut best defense in the NFL in 2019 and things will just be harder for Chicago and their young quarterback. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.


while they may have made some statistical points in their story, the true measure of a QB is beyond that which can be charted on a stat sheet ... those hard to define, but you know it when you see it, intangibles ... and I think Mr. Trubisky has that ... and unlike PFF, I believe he is smart enough and coachable enough to understand where he needs to improve as a player and will take measures to do so

so be skeptical all you want PFF, the Bears, with Trubisky leading the offense, WILL improve ... so :flick:


2019 is really the first year that would be fair to start evaluating Biscuit. His actual rookie year was a loss because it was under Fox and it wound up being a transition year to Nagy. Last year he had to learn a very complex offense, as did all his receivers who were also new to the Bears, and we went 12-4 with a lot of help from a great defense.

Not exactly sure what they expected of Biscuit last year.


Right? Here is a whole new HC/OC, a whole new offense that is 10x more complex than the one he ran under Loggains, and oh by the way, here is a whole new crop of receivers.

I hate analysts who JUST look at numbers, and don't take into account (sometimes extreme) extenuating circumstances.


Well, PFF is a film grade. It's not a raw data analysis.


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Trubisky has flaws and areas where he needs to improve.

He threw way too many balls that were interceptable last season and got away with plenty. That tends to even out.
He appears to have issues throwing to his left, which might be mechanics-related. Teams gameplan for those tendencies.

That said, I am optimistic about Trubisky's development. His flashes when given the ball with the game on the line are promising. And he hasn't shown a tendency to repeat the same mistakes over and over.

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Richie wrote:
Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:
Boris13c wrote:
What the advanced analytics say about Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky

the summary paragraph clearly expresses their opinion :

Quote:
So, while it’s true the Bears have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with a head coach who appears to be one of the best young offensive minds in the game, we’re very skeptical of Trubisky as a passer in 2019. While it’s possible (likely?) that he makes process-level improvements, namely that he’s more accurate and avoids negatively-graded plays more frequently, it’s probably unlikely that they will be enough in and of themselves to overcome the statistical regression that his data begs. Add in the likelihood that the Bears are not the clear-cut best defense in the NFL in 2019 and things will just be harder for Chicago and their young quarterback. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.


while they may have made some statistical points in their story, the true measure of a QB is beyond that which can be charted on a stat sheet ... those hard to define, but you know it when you see it, intangibles ... and I think Mr. Trubisky has that ... and unlike PFF, I believe he is smart enough and coachable enough to understand where he needs to improve as a player and will take measures to do so

so be skeptical all you want PFF, the Bears, with Trubisky leading the offense, WILL improve ... so :flick:


2019 is really the first year that would be fair to start evaluating Biscuit. His actual rookie year was a loss because it was under Fox and it wound up being a transition year to Nagy. Last year he had to learn a very complex offense, as did all his receivers who were also new to the Bears, and we went 12-4 with a lot of help from a great defense.

Not exactly sure what they expected of Biscuit last year.


Right? Here is a whole new HC/OC, a whole new offense that is 10x more complex than the one he ran under Loggains, and oh by the way, here is a whole new crop of receivers.

I hate analysts who JUST look at numbers, and don't take into account (sometimes extreme) extenuating circumstances.


Well, PFF is a film grade. It's not a raw data analysis.


It's a film grade, but then they base metrics off of the film. So they can't possibly take into account the massive changeovers that Trubisky went through.


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