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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:00 pm

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Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:33 am
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Like a bullet from a gun...."Bull" + "It"

If you can get your hands on Jefferson's bourbon, I highly recommend it.
Haha, seriously? I assumed it had French routes and was pronounced something like 'boo-lay'.
It's named after the family that founded the distillery. The name have be French in origin, but we definitely don't use a French pronunciation of the bourbon.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:54 pm

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Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:14 am
Like a bullet from a gun...."Bull" + "It"

If you can get your hands on Jefferson's bourbon, I highly recommend it.
@Johnny Bollocks Four Roses Single Barrel is one of my favorites right now
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:40 am

Best single malt I ever had was Michael Collins. Like drinking whiskey butter. Irresponsibly smooth.

Edit: Also I love that the discussion about the Bears franchise has inevitably led to talking about liquor, haha.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:37 am

Shows the state of the team, conversation has moved on to hard liquor.

Not a hard liquor guy for many reasons so don't expirement with many whiskeys/bourbons. I do like the Screwball Peanut Butter Whiskey though. Pretty dangerous for me as I love about anything peanut butter
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:42 am

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Shows the state of the team, conversation has moved on to hard liquor.

Not a hard liquor guy for many reasons so don't expirement with many whiskeys/bourbons. I do like the Screwball Peanut Butter Whiskey though. Pretty dangerous for me as I love about anything peanut butter

I am a peanut butter savage. If it's peanut butter related, I am immediately entranced. I'm going to start a PB thread.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:04 pm

Screwball is pretty great. Had it with Raspberry liquor? Tastes like PBJ.

I'm not much for bourbon straight up, but some of the "enhanced" varieties are great. I love Jack Fire, and if you've never had Heritage's Brown Sugar Bourbon give it a try. Sweet but deadly easy.

I stop boozing completely after the Bears are done playing, since I typically gain 20 every fall from OD-ing on beer, pizza & wings. The Bears only drive me to drink during the season. lol
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:53 pm

I can't do flavored stuff. I'm a straight bourbon guy... neat or with a large cube.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:54 pm

I get alcohol induced respiratory reactions which are a by product of the alcohol flush reaction. It varies how bad it gets from time to time, but there are times a half beer in and I get these problems. It sucks, but I guess it keeps me from being an alcoholic.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:57 pm

Saints looking to get a 1st/2nd for Taysom Hill, apparently:

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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:04 pm

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Saints looking to get a 1st/2nd for Taysom Hill, apparently:

They cray. I get that he's a pretty dynamic athlete, but he's a soon-to-be 30 year old QB who has attempted 13 whole passes in his career.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:28 pm

Yea, I like HIll but a 1st or 2nd seems too pricey.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:46 pm

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Yea, I like HIll but a 1st or 2nd seems too pricey.
And yet they’re going with Hill over trying to re-sign Bridgewater. They must figure Hill will be much cheaper.
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:43 am

As much as I'm tempted to wade into the booze discussion...

For contract and cap reasons alone, I think we see only small changes to the roster this year. Trubisky will be the starting QB (my first choice backup QB for this 1-2 year tail end of the window with the current core is Alex Smith if he's willing to take better-than-Chase Daniel backup money rather than chase a starting job, but I don't think that happens)
Leno, Massie, Burton all remain starters this year for cap reasons if nothing else. On offense, we need to get healthy, get a starting RG and draft a TE (Thaddeus Moss is more of a Y TE, which, if we believe Burton can come back healthy, actually fits our needs -- could be an interesting gamble)
I expect Taylor Gabriel to be released, Robinson to be extended, the young WRs to get more opportunities. I'd like to see if Patterson can play more WR this year, but I'm not expecting him to suddenly blossom into a starting-caliber WR this deep into his career.
I expect another late round or UFA RB, I wish we could have kept Whyte, but that's not how things went.
I love Trevathan but unless he takes a very team friendly deal, I have to presume we move on from him, so Kwitkowski gets a low-mid level starter's extension and slots in next to Smith for the next few years. I'd like to see us re-sign Pierre Lewis as well for depth and coverage sub packages
Given recent movements, I presume Prince Amukamara is released for cap reasons -- and he appears to have lost a step. Tolliver, Skrine, and Roberson compete for the starting CB spot opposite fuller, if Skrine wins the #2 CB spot, Duke Shelley slots into the NB spot
The Safety spot opposite Jackson is up in the air. I'm not sure Clinton-Dix played himself out of our reach cap-wise, but I also don't think he was the best fit. I could see a lot of different scenarios here, but we need to be very cost-conscious at this spot -- most likely scenario is probably a small extension for Deon Bush, pace drafts a mid-round safety and they compete for that starting spot.

Overall, if we can fix the O-line, specifically cutting down on the mental mistakes and getting the run game back (which I'm hopeful given the coaching hires), and have fewer key injuries than last year, I see a roster that can make a playoff run in 2020. I'm not sure we can beat teams like KC or SF, at least not without a healthy dose of luck, but I think we can get back to the playoffs, and after that, it's all a question of who gets hot and lucky at the right time.
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:29 pm

Yep all good assumptions, B&C.

I can't believe the Saints are letting Bridgewater walk. Maybe it is just simply a cost thing, as long as Brees is playing. But damn Teddy is young and Drew is not. I wonder if they know something about Teddy's health that everyone else doesn't.
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm

*whispers* Maybe Bridgewater isn't as good as some are hyping him up to be...
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Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:04 pm

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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm
*whispers* Maybe Bridgewater isn't as good as some are hyping him up to be...
A) He's not all that good. Good call, somehow that gets missed.
B) He's a runny fart away from having to retire.
C) He's projected to make a ton of money (I suspect he'll have to take a lot less mainly because of B.

Way too much risk on the risk/reward scale for me.
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:27 pm

Bridgewater's a better QB than Trubisky; but his knee was permanently damaged, so I doubt he has long term starter potential. He's also better than Daniel, so he would upgrade #2.

Question is, how much do they want to still run R/O, RPOs? They would not want to do that as often if Bridgewater came into the game.

I also wonder how much Trubisky's teammates would still back him if they concluded from preseason work that the backup was better.
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:39 pm

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Bridgewater's a better QB than Trubisky
"Joe Flacco is a very good QB"
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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:19 pm

G08 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm
*whispers* Maybe Bridgewater isn't as good as some are hyping him up to be...
He isn't.

The vikes were ready to move on when he got hurt. His nickname was checkdown teddy and fans wanted his head on a pike from consistent 5 yd dumps on 3rd and long.

He also takes a ton of sacks.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:13 am

southdakbearfan wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:19 pm
G08 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm
*whispers* Maybe Bridgewater isn't as good as some are hyping him up to be...
He isn't.

The vikes were ready to move on when he got hurt. His nickname was checkdown teddy and fans wanted his head on a pike from consistent 5 yd dumps on 3rd and long.

He also takes a ton of sacks.
This. It's funny how football fans have a habit of conveniently forgetting a lot of things.
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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:13 am

Bridgewater : G (44) ATT (1,070) Comp % (65.2) Yards per Completion (7.2) TD/INT 38/25 QB rating (88.3)

Trubisky: G (41) ATT (1,280) COMP% (63.4) Yards per Completion (6.7) TD/INT 48/29 QB rating (85.8)

Trubisky moves much better and has healthy knees, so he can run the full gamut of plays.

Bridgewater is more steady, accurate, fundamentally sound.

So their significant stats are fairly close, but maybe I should have also said it's a low bar.

To be clear. Not excited about either QB as a starter.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:04 pm

Drone7 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:13 am
Bridgewater : G (44) ATT (1,070) Comp % (65.2) Yards per Completion (7.2) TD/INT 38/25 QB rating (88.3)

Trubisky: G (41) ATT (1,280) COMP% (63.4) Yards per Completion (6.7) TD/INT 48/29 QB rating (85.8)

Trubisky moves much better and has healthy knees, so he can run the full gamut of plays.

Bridgewater is more steady, accurate, fundamentally sound.

So their significant stats are fairly close, but maybe I should have also said it's a low bar.

To be clear. Not excited about either QB as a starter.
Joe Flacco: 84.1 career rating and you called him a very good QB.
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Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:00 pm

G08 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:04 pm
Drone7 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:13 am
Bridgewater : G (44) ATT (1,070) Comp % (65.2) Yards per Completion (7.2) TD/INT 38/25 QB rating (88.3)

Trubisky: G (41) ATT (1,280) COMP% (63.4) Yards per Completion (6.7) TD/INT 48/29 QB rating (85.8)

Trubisky moves much better and has healthy knees, so he can run the full gamut of plays.

Bridgewater is more steady, accurate, fundamentally sound.

So their significant stats are fairly close, but maybe I should have also said it's a low bar.

To be clear. Not excited about either QB as a starter.
Joe Flacco: 84.1 career rating and you called him a very good QB.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:43 pm

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Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:27 pm

Year 3, year 2 in Nagy's offense, Trubisky took steps both forward and back, and caught a lot of the blame for things outside his control (especially regression on the line, but also less consistency in the run game and more dropped passes). Positive things to look at include bringing his Interception % down (from 2.8% in 2018 to 1.9% in 2019). There were certainly downsides to his play and the offense overall, but I saw development.

None of the above seems unreasonable to me, but the longer I pay attention to the average fan, the less reasonable the average fan seems to me.
Or, you could laugh at yourself. Ever done that?

It won't hurt too much?
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:33 pm

Drone7 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:43 pm
BreadNCircuses wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:27 pm

Year 3, year 2 in Nagy's offense, Trubisky took steps both forward and back, and caught a lot of the blame for things outside his control (especially regression on the line, but also less consistency in the run game and more dropped passes). Positive things to look at include bringing his Interception % down (from 2.8% in 2018 to 1.9% in 2019). There were certainly downsides to his play and the offense overall, but I saw development.

None of the above seems unreasonable to me, but the longer I pay attention to the average fan, the less reasonable the average fan seems to me.
Or, you could laugh at yourself. Ever done that?

It won't hurt too much?
Plenty of times. But that's irrelevant here. Do you have a meaningful response to the point above or are you simply demonstrating why people appear to be generally dismissing your opinions on this board?
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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:44 pm

Other than you, I've had several pleasant or at least civil exchanges on the board. I've read several smart comments and it's well-moderated.

Here's a suggestion. Why don't we ignore each other's content and deal with those we want to?

I'm not here to conflict with anyone.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:01 pm

By all means, I've yet to see much in the way of content from you that requires effort to ignore.
I shall somehow have to struggle on without the benefit of your obviously superior eye for quarterback evaluation
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Re: Bears Franchise Direction: Everything's Awful/Things Aren't So Bad/Etc.

Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:27 pm

When I joined here, I didn't pose as an expert. Stated I had a moderate (fan's) knowledge of football.

I don't delve into watching the games over like I used to or purchase the 22 package. So my opinions are impressions and subject to change. I've been wrong before about personnel as events unfold. And I'm eager to learn from others here / elsewhere. Almost every time I read Brad Biggs' 10 Things column, I learn facts I didn't know about the team's performance just watching the game once through.

You seem intelligent so maybe we can co-exist and avoid clashing.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:46 am

Less of ... whatever that was, and more focused convo on the topic at hand, please.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:59 am

I still don't think the playground pecking order has been fully established. How do we know whose non-professional opinions are better? Or who is liked better? These are important things.

I guess I'll go with the person I agree with on each topic - you know, the smart one.

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