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I loved him coming out of Clemson in 2015. If the price is right, absolutely.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:22 pm

The article seems to think he'd be cheap, but I'm not convinced. If big rush impact is what they're after, I think they'll need to spend big. Didn't really watch the Falcons, but PFF has him graded pretty low despite the okay sack totals. I'd rather have all around solid contribution but poor pass rush stats like Floyd than a less versatile guy who isn't even elite at the one thing he is good at.

He'd have to be like 5-6m for me to jump and I imagine hell be more than that.

Fwiw he was the guy I wanted in that draft after Cooper was picked. Hated picking White over him.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:38 pm

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The article seems to think he'd be cheap, but I'm not convinced. If big rush impact is what they're after, I think they'll need to spend big. Didn't really watch the Falcons, but PFF has him graded pretty low despite the okay sack totals. I'd rather have all around solid contribution but poor pass rush stats like Floyd than a less versatile guy who isn't even elite at the one thing he is good at.

He'd have to be like 5-6m for me to jump and I imagine hell be more than that.

Fwiw he was the guy I wanted in that draft after Cooper was picked. Hated picking White over him.
Per pro football reference advanced stats, while he finished the year with 8 sacks he only had 18 total pressures... he had that one year anomaly of a season with 15 sacks but I don't believe the guy is a great edge... he would really have to be inexpensive for me to be interested in signing him... Give me either of these guys before Beasley

Brandon Copeland - EDGE - NYJ - looks like he was used in a different role this past season or fell out of rotation... in his first season with the Jets he had 5 sacks, 14 QB hits and 27 pressures... and due to the down year, his price will be on the lower end, I believe.

Cassius Marsh - EDGE - Ari - had a down year last year compared to the previous year in SF... was able to generate 31 pressures, 14 QB hits and 5.5 sacks with SF, last year in Zona only finished with 11 pressures... could probably get him on a cheaper contract and hope he can relive 2018...

We need to find someone to put opposite Mack who can generate pressure... Floyd is a solid all around edge along the lines of Sam Acho he's just not a pass rusher... outside of playing GB, that is...
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:38 pm

Copeland got nicked for PEDs last year. Betting the Bears pass.

I don't know much about Marsh, beyond he was a 4th rounder in 2014 and bounced around a fair bit.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:38 am

If we’re talking Floyd at 12 mill or Beasley at 5 mill, I’m taking Vic.

I’m not sure what we’re going to do opposite Mack, I do know that we can’t pay Floyd that much money.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

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If we’re talking Floyd at 12 mill or Beasley at 5 mill, I’m taking Vic.

I’m not sure what we’re going to do opposite Mack, I do know that we can’t pay Floyd that much money.
It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.

I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 am
cblaz11 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:38 am
If we’re talking Floyd at 12 mill or Beasley at 5 mill, I’m taking Vic.

I’m not sure what we’re going to do opposite Mack, I do know that we can’t pay Floyd that much money.
It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.

I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
I think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.

I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:24 am

cblaz11 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:38 am
If we’re talking Floyd at 12 mill or Beasley at 5 mill, I’m taking Vic.

I’m not sure what we’re going to do opposite Mack, I do know that we can’t pay Floyd that much money.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:42 am

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:03 am
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 am


It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.

I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
I think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.

I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
I think I read somewhere that while Floyd's pass rush win rate is 11.3%, while Vic's is 11.1%... the only thing Vic has on Floyd is a couple more sacks... I would take Floyd on an extension over Vic unless Vic wants to come here on a $1.5m-$2m contract... 5m would be much too rich for the current levels of return... probably get better production from Bruce Irvin on less than $5m
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:17 am

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I think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.

I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
I think I read somewhere that while Floyd's pass rush win rate is 11.3%, while Vic's is 11.1%... the only thing Vic has on Floyd is a couple more sacks... I would take Floyd on an extension over Vic unless Vic wants to come here on a $1.5m-$2m contract... 5m would be much too rich for the current levels of return... probably get better production from Bruce Irvin on less than $5m
Yeah. In Vic's defense, he's managed (through luck or skill) to convert more of those wins into sacks, but he is not a major upgrade over Floyd.

If we could get Vic at what we were paying Aaron Lynch, then sure, I'll be glad to have him in addition to Floyd
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:38 am

I think the contention will always be, Beasley was used completely wrong in Atlanta and now may have lost a step.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:07 pm

I really don't think he's all that good, but if he was going to be significantly cheaper than Floyd, then sure I guess.

Floyd isn't a bad player, but I'd really like a better pass rusher over there.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:51 pm

Vic did get 8 sacks basically being most of Atlanta’s pass rush and opposing offenses main target.

It would be interesting to see what that would look like when he couldn’t be double teamed due to Mack, Hicks being in the same pass rush.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:22 pm

BreadNCircuses wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:03 am
IE wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 am


It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.

I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
I think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.

I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
I mean, he is listed at 6'5 240. Plenty big to play inside. He just looks so damn lean. It's hard to picture it. But maybe... doesn't sound like it is in the cards, though.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:37 pm

Floyd's leanness still being knocked 4 years in is one of the most curious things. I think there's enough tape to show his wiry frame doesn't inhibit his ability to do things like set the edge.
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Beasley is 6'3", 246 pounds. They're pretty even tackle wise. Beasley has about twice as many sacks. Floyd is good at run stopping and defending the pass. No info on this with Beasley.
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Floyd's leanness still being knocked 4 years in is one of the most curious things. I think there's enough tape to show his wiry frame doesn't inhibit his ability to do things like set the edge.
No it does, he has always struggled with it. It's not positive part of his game.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:59 pm

Loved Beasley coming out. Really hasn't lived up to what anyone thought he would be. I believe someone will overpay for him.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:56 pm
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:37 pm
Floyd's leanness still being knocked 4 years in is one of the most curious things. I think there's enough tape to show his wiry frame doesn't inhibit his ability to do things like set the edge.
No it does, he has always struggled with it. It's not positive part of his game.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:56 pm

Floyd had a pressure rate of 11.3% last year, Beasley had a pressure rate of 11.1%.

If Beasley was a viable option I think Atlanta would have at least made him an offer.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:05 pm

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No it does, he has always struggled with it. It's not positive part of his game.
Yes, it is.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:18 pm

Earlier in his career he definitely had some trouble, but he's gotten a lot better vs the run in the last couple years. Last year particularly he was very very good vs the run

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Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:36 am

Yeah I dont but buy what your selling. I love football outsiders. But that's not exactly what we are talking about. Floyd does not set the edge, well. He gets pushed inside or stretched out by TE and LT. He's a solid tackler, good in space, covers well. He try's hard. He really does. But he gets pushed around.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

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Floyd had a pressure rate of 11.3% last year, Beasley had a pressure rate of 11.1%.

If Beasley was a viable option I think Atlanta would have at least made him an offer.
Not saying Vic is the answer, but his and Floyd’s 11% pressure rate might not be comparable considering Vic draws all the attention in Atlanta and Floyd doesn’t draw anymore than Aaron Lynch when he is in the game. Single teams vs double teams and being schemed against.

Vic had a season that produced dang near as many sacks as Floyd has had in 4 seasons. They are not the same player.
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:45 pm

I don't think Beasley is going to come all that cheap.
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:16 pm

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I don't think Beasley is going to come all that cheap.
Agreed there.
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Re: Vic Beasley anyone?

Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:30 pm

I think we need a situational / depth pass rusher and he'll be too expensive for that. If we're talking a few milliion a year, and the Bears can extend Floyd, then yes go for it. I don't see good options in the draft so we need help in FA. Maybe Attaochu or Ogbah will be more affordable.

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