Vic Beasley anyone?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:15 pm
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Per pro football reference advanced stats, while he finished the year with 8 sacks he only had 18 total pressures... he had that one year anomaly of a season with 15 sacks but I don't believe the guy is a great edge... he would really have to be inexpensive for me to be interested in signing him... Give me either of these guys before BeasleyThe Cooler King wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:22 pm The article seems to think he'd be cheap, but I'm not convinced. If big rush impact is what they're after, I think they'll need to spend big. Didn't really watch the Falcons, but PFF has him graded pretty low despite the okay sack totals. I'd rather have all around solid contribution but poor pass rush stats like Floyd than a less versatile guy who isn't even elite at the one thing he is good at.
He'd have to be like 5-6m for me to jump and I imagine hell be more than that.
Fwiw he was the guy I wanted in that draft after Cooper was picked. Hated picking White over him.
It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.
I think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.IE wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 amIt seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.
I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
I think I read somewhere that while Floyd's pass rush win rate is 11.3%, while Vic's is 11.1%... the only thing Vic has on Floyd is a couple more sacks... I would take Floyd on an extension over Vic unless Vic wants to come here on a $1.5m-$2m contract... 5m would be much too rich for the current levels of return... probably get better production from Bruce Irvin on less than $5mBreadNCircuses wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:03 amI think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.IE wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 am
It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.
I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
Yeah. In Vic's defense, he's managed (through luck or skill) to convert more of those wins into sacks, but he is not a major upgrade over Floyd.BamaBear09 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:42 amI think I read somewhere that while Floyd's pass rush win rate is 11.3%, while Vic's is 11.1%... the only thing Vic has on Floyd is a couple more sacks... I would take Floyd on an extension over Vic unless Vic wants to come here on a $1.5m-$2m contract... 5m would be much too rich for the current levels of return... probably get better production from Bruce Irvin on less than $5mBreadNCircuses wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:03 am
I think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.
I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
I mean, he is listed at 6'5 240. Plenty big to play inside. He just looks so damn lean. It's hard to picture it. But maybe... doesn't sound like it is in the cards, though.BreadNCircuses wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:03 amI think Floyd is a much better all-around player. He plays the run better than Vic, he drops into coverage better than Vic. Vic has had some more success as a pass rusher, but isn't that much better there.IE wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 am
It seems like there is pretty much a consensus that the team will either extend Floyd at well under that kind of number, or move on from him. I think any discussion of keeping him falls under that assumption.
I'm not sure Beasley is much of an upgrade over Flo, if any at all. If continuity and chemistry do matter, I'm a no for that reason. I'd like to think that a move on from Flo would in the form of some conspicuous upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point.
I think Floyd gets an extension. If Vic wants to come here on a 1 year prove-it deal, fine. There's definitely a part of me that is curious if Floyd can be the kind of inside/outside hybrid that Clay Matthews was for a few years -- we know Floyd played both inside and outside at Georgia, I admit I would be very interested in if Floyd could be a hybrid ILB/OLB and what kind of flexibility that could give a defense.
But that is, admittedly, a bit of a crazy thought
No it does, he has always struggled with it. It's not positive part of his game.The Cooler King wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:37 pm Floyd's leanness still being knocked 4 years in is one of the most curious things. I think there's enough tape to show his wiry frame doesn't inhibit his ability to do things like set the edge.
Yes, it is.mmmc_35 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:56 pmNo it does, he has always struggled with it. It's not positive part of his game.The Cooler King wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:37 pm Floyd's leanness still being knocked 4 years in is one of the most curious things. I think there's enough tape to show his wiry frame doesn't inhibit his ability to do things like set the edge.
Well then I doubt we watch the same games.
Not saying Vic is the answer, but his and Floyd’s 11% pressure rate might not be comparable considering Vic draws all the attention in Atlanta and Floyd doesn’t draw anymore than Aaron Lynch when he is in the game. Single teams vs double teams and being schemed against.TheWorldBreaker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:56 pm Floyd had a pressure rate of 11.3% last year, Beasley had a pressure rate of 11.1%.
If Beasley was a viable option I think Atlanta would have at least made him an offer.
2020 NFL free agency: Eight players who could be overpriced
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... overpriced
Vic Beasley, defensive end: The Falcons are desperate for pass-rushing help and they are letting Beasley walk. The Falcons were desperate for Beasley to live up to the billing as a top-10 draft pick, paying him $12.8 million last season for erratic production. Even when Beasley was at his best in 2016, his league-high sack total of 15.5 was misleading, given the dearth of total pressures. He's such a liability on running downs that he often had to be taken off the field. Despite all that, he'll probably get a good contract in free agency.
There's a strange phenomenon with disappointing former top-10 picks entering their second contract. General managers frequently seem to value the original draft report rather the years of NFL film that appear to disprove the initial assessment was wrong.