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Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:39 am
by wab
Some of you are way too caught up in positional labels. I'd wager Quinn will be a down lineman 60-70% of the time.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 am
by The Cooler King
wab wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:39 am Some of you are way too caught up in positional labels. I'd wager Quinn will be a down lineman 60-70% of the time.
As in hand in the dirt?

Sure, perhaps. Maybe even near 100% of the time.

But from a teams scheme, hell be playing the "OLB" role. Typically a 7 technique, maybe wider, and at the LOS. As far as switching sides, I honestly can't speak with confidence about how Pagano treated Left/Right or Strong/Weak alignments. Some 3-4s do it differently.

Maybe he'll play some down DE where he's at the 5T spot, but I think those will account for a very small number of snaps.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:08 am
by HurricaneBear
This thread is exhausting to read. Who the hell cares? Just sack the damn QB and dont be a liability in other areas. He could be called a widdlethumbadoobiedoddle for all I care.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:14 am
by southdakbearfan
Like I said. The 3-4 looks a lot like a 5-2 about 60% of the time to me and it did when Floyd was playing the position.

Whatever the hell they call it as long as we are smashing the opposing qb we are going to be fine.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:24 am
by The Cooler King

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Yogi is this basically what your proposing with a 3-4 against a 21 Personnel? Where Quinn is the RDE, and that "Jack" or weak OLB is Mingo or whoever? SAM is Mack.

Or against 22 or 12 personnel

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Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:32 pm
by dplank
I really want the season to start, I'm so friggin excited for this defense I just can't deal. Friggin NFL season is too short, it's the shortest season of all the pro sports, yet the only one I really give a shit about. If you aren't a playoff team (most aren't) and you don't give a crap about pre-season (no one does), you get Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec. That's it. 4 months on, 8 months off. If you're lucky and make a run, you can add January....big whoop.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:50 pm
by HisRoyalSweetness
With all that's happening in the world, you better prepare yourself for a late-starting, truncated season dplank and the possibility that there might not be a season at all.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm
by Yogi da Bear
The Cooler King wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:24 am

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Yogi is this basically what your proposing with a 3-4 against a 21 Personnel? Where Quinn is the RDE, and that "Jack" or weak OLB is Mingo or whoever? SAM is Mack.

Or against 22 or 12 personnel

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That's precisely what I'm talking about. And taking it a step further, with LE being Hicks providing cover for Roquan at MK and WL being DT. And also allowing for Mingo (and I do believe it would be Mingo) and Mack to switch to give different looks. If you watched that Analytic on Mingo, while he struggles with bigger OTs, he's actually pretty effective against TEs and FBs. Can you imagine the LT seeing Quinn and Mack on the same side, "awwww, shit...."

But in order NOT to get bogged down in the labels, I'd like to emphasize several precepts that I've proposed:

  • 1.) We want to rush Mack and Quinn as much as possible.
    2.) To do this, Quinn becomes strictly a weakside DE with his hand in the dirt--the only position he's played his entire career.
    3.) Except for goal line and short yardage situations, you don't want more than two other defensive lineman playing in the game at the same time as Mack and Quinn, because if you do that and you rush them both, you either blitzing or you're dropping a defensive lineman into coverage. Neither is a positive scenario we want to encourage.
    4.) Since Quinn becomes a DE in our system, it elevates the importance of our other OLBs to a substantial degree. I really believe that Mingo was signed as much to be OLB in our regular sets as to be a special teams player. It's the role he played for Pagano in Indy.
    5.) We are one scary ass defense. Can't wait for the season.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:46 pm
by Yogi da Bear
HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:50 pm With all that's happening in the world, you better prepare yourself for a late-starting, truncated season dplank and the possibility that there might not be a season at all.
If there's no NFL, we're all fucked and are all going to have way more problems than there not being an NFL season. Our economy can't survive being shut down for half a year.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:26 pm
by Moriarty
Yogi da Bear wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:46 pm
HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:50 pm With all that's happening in the world, you better prepare yourself for a late-starting, truncated season dplank and the possibility that there might not be a season at all.
If there's no NFL, we're all fucked and are all going to have way more problems than there not being an NFL season. Our economy can't survive being shut down for half a year.
You can shut down gatherings of 70k people without shutting down the whole economy.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:17 pm
by The Cooler King
Moriarty wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:26 pm
Yogi da Bear wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:46 pm

If there's no NFL, we're all fucked and are all going to have way more problems than there not being an NFL season. Our economy can't survive being shut down for half a year.
You can shut down gatherings of 70k people without shutting down the whole economy.
So obviously they could play in an empty stadium, and there's still plenty of TV money to go around to motivate the owners. At that point it just comes down to how strict guidance gets. A couple weeks ago in many places the recommendation was canceling private events over even 250. So it'd have to get a bit more lax than that, still (once you add up all coaches, players and support staff that just deals with the teams + TV personnel).

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:32 pm
by AZ_Bearfan
6' social distancing is going to be a pain in the butt at practice.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:38 pm
by southdakbearfan
Gambling revenue will go through the roof due to people boredom.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:43 pm
by The Grizzly One
One point about shutting down the season. At the least I would think universal testing would be in and only those with the virus during the contagious period would be quarantined.

So it will be:
GO BEARS!
:banana: :party: :banana:

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:03 pm
by Moriarty
The Grizzly One wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:43 pm One point about shutting down the season. At the least I would think universal testing would be in and only those with the virus during the contagious period would be quarantined.

So it will be:
GO BEARS!
:banana: :party: :banana:

Well, they barely have any tests at this point. Maybe they'll catch up and have a decent stock by fall. Maybe.

But, even then, you can be infected and be contagious without symptoms. And you can't just test every American every couple days, just to be sure.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:02 am
by dplank
Have you guys seen this pass rush graphic yet? DAAAAAAAMN!

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Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:22 am
by southdakbearfan
dplank wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:02 am Have you guys seen this pass rush graphic yet? DAAAAAAAMN!

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Cool, I believe there was another graphic showing his pass rush success rate, which was like 2nd or 3rd high in the league and Mack was right up there too.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:16 pm
by AZ_Bearfan

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:19 pm
by AZ_Bearfan

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:21 pm
by Yogi da Bear
Still like my idea better.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:26 pm
by Kylo Bearen
I have to say, out of all the new offseason additions Quinn is looking to be the best one! Him paired with Mack is going to be a nightmare for O-Coordinators, quarterbacks and O-Lines.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:40 pm
by AZ_Bearfan
Mack and Quinn collapsing the pocket and forcing the QB to step up and meet Hicks is going to be fun to watch.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:18 pm
by Mikefive
Just listened to Quinn's press conference. Have to say... He made up his mind to sign with Chicago before before he found out he was playing for Chuck Pagano? Really? After he just said he had to consider the players and coaches when making his decision? Really?

Hmmm.... Doesn't sound like he's the sharpest tack in the drawer. Not that an edge rush guy needs to be Rhodes Scholar or anything.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:49 pm
by donkeykong
dplank wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:32 pm I really want the season to start, I'm so friggin excited for this defense I just can't deal. Friggin NFL season is too short, it's the shortest season of all the pro sports, yet the only one I really give a shit about. If you aren't a playoff team (most aren't) and you don't give a crap about pre-season (no one does), you get Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec. That's it. 4 months on, 8 months off. If you're lucky and make a run, you can add January....big whoop.
To make matters worse...4 months on with ONE game a week!

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:51 am
by G08
I'm a little worried about how he predominantly rushes from the offenses 'right' side and always in a 3 point stance. I think he once said "have you ever seen an Olympic Sprinter start from a 2 point stance"?

Makes me wonder... if we are in base, will we see Mingo in there a la Leonard Floyd in run support? Nickel we can go 4-2-5 and have the linemen be four down.

Might take a *bit* of a hit in our run defense, but if we have offenses panicking in passing situations it should be well worth it. Might want to spend a high draft pick on a corner to start opposite Fuller if there's a kid you really like.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:09 pm
by BreadNCircuses
G08 wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:51 am I'm a little worried about how he predominantly rushes from the offenses 'right' side and always in a 3 point stance. I think he once said "have you ever seen an Olympic Sprinter start from a 2 point stance"?

Makes me wonder... if we are in base, will we see Mingo in there a la Leonard Floyd in run support? Nickel we can go 4-2-5 and have the linemen be four down.

Might take a *bit* of a hit in our run defense, but if we have offenses panicking in passing situations it should be well worth it. Might want to spend a high draft pick on a corner to start opposite Fuller if there's a kid you really like.
Not "Always" from a 3 pt stance. I've seen tape of him standing up and rushing. But he is more effective from the 3 pt stance, it allows him to leverage his best move, the speed move and jump that somehow he does really well.

I'm pretty confident that the Bears are smart enough on Defense to put him in position to do what he does best. We're functionally in nickle 2/3 or more most games, it's not hard in that package to have your edge rushers play either up or down to play to their strengths

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:19 pm
by Yogi da Bear
Again, Quinn is BY FAR better as a 4-3 DE. That's what he is. So that's how you play him. You have the rest of the defense adjust around him. In 3-4 base, he still plays the role of a 4-3 DE and you shift the rest of the DL his direction one gap. In nickel, you don't have to worry about it. When he's subbed out, you give offenses a new look of our traditional 3-4. Just gives offenses far more to prepare for while our defense simply changes with the personnel on the field.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:13 am
by VA_Mountain_Bear
I don't think we would have gone out to sign him if we intended to not play to his strengths. I suspect we will be in nickle a lot more than the past. IF we have a season that is.

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:28 pm
by GSH
I would hate it but i feel like my liver would greatly appreciate a full year off from bears football

Re: Bears sign DE Robert Quinn to 5yr, $70M deal

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:07 pm
by AZ_Bearfan