wab wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:36 pm
You don't think these guys are big beast power guards?
Ifedi - 6'5 323
Coward - 6'5 325
Long - 6'6 330
The LT, LG, and C are all 6'3 305. The RG and RT are 6'6 325
I think it's clear where they like power players. Nothing would suggest that Warford would be a bad fit schematically.
Long and Ifedi are both known for being more about movement than power. Hell, Long ran a 4.94 coming out. Coming out, Ifedi's best praise was his ability to get to the second level, while his worst criticism was he's not a "physical lineman with a nasty, punishing streak." So no, I don't think they're looking for power players as much as move players.
Do you really want to consider Coward as ANY type of guard let alone a Big Beast power guard? He was HORRIBLE.
Yes it was. A Big Beast Power guard or what I mean by that, is somebody that powers over people, who meets them in the trenches and drives them back. You know, like Josh Sitton. Although big, Coward doesn't come anywhere close to doing that. Nagy apparently wants guys who can move laterally and seal, not necessarily run over and through people. Notice the movement skills of the guys he got in the seventh round.
Don't get me wrong. I love me some power beastie guys. Love 'em, love 'em, love 'em. I just don't think that's what Nagy's looking for, hence, I don't believe we'll sign Warford. Love to see it though.
wulfy wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:52 am
He’s only 28 .... seems like he’s been in the League forever.
Reminds me of the Josh Sitton situation a few years ago. We got 2 solid years out of him.
It's worth noting, however, that we dropped Sitton when we brought in Nagy. Personally, I love me some big beast power guards, but It doesn't seem like they're a fit for Nagy's system. It appears that Nagy's looking for movement type over power. Don't think this signing is going to happen, but who knows?
You may be right re: power verse zone guys, but I don't think that's why Sitton got cut. He had a big salary and was done.
cblaz11 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 7:00 am
10 mill in cap space with the ability to free up more if needed.
He’s 28....that’s not old for a guard.
It's worse than that.
It's 10M for 51 man, but under 8.5 for 53.
Then there's also some new signings (Ginn, Gipson, etc), which aren't known and included yet.
The real amount is probably about 5.
And you have to have some available for flexibility.
And in most years you "roll over" money from the past year.
If they spent 100% of 2020, 2021 gets really tight with no rollover.
Over the Cap has us at 11 mill after all our singings. We could easily find the 6-8 mill for a probowl guard.
It's 10M for 51 man, but under 8.5 for 53.
Then there's also some new signings (Ginn, Gipson, etc), which aren't known and included yet.
The real amount is probably about 5.
And you have to have some available for flexibility.
And in most years you "roll over" money from the past year.
If they spent 100% of 2020, 2021 gets really tight with no rollover.
Over the Cap has us at 11 mill after all our singings. We could easily find the 6-8 mill for a probowl guard.
That 10-11m figure is kind of a worthless one. They effectively have much less than that.
cblaz11 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:37 pm
Also, we have flexibility next year with guys like Leno, Massie, Patterson, amongst many others.
Patterson already is a FA, so there isn't flexibility. That's just one of the many holes that will already exist and have to be filled. And cutting two starters with no heir apparent and who would be expensive to replace on the open market us hardly "flexibility"
cblaz11 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:37 pm
Also, we have flexibility next year with guys like Leno, Massie, Patterson, amongst many others.
Patterson already is a FA, so there isn't flexibility. That's just one of the many holes that will already exist and have to be filled. And cutting two starters with no heir apparent and who would be expensive to replace on the open market us hardly "flexibility"
It's 10M for 51 man, but under 8.5 for 53.
Then there's also some new signings (Ginn, Gipson, etc), which aren't known and included yet.
The real amount is probably about 5.
And you have to have some available for flexibility.
And in most years you "roll over" money from the past year.
If they spent 100% of 2020, 2021 gets really tight with no rollover.
Over the Cap has us at 11 mill after all our singings. We could easily find the 6-8 mill for a probowl guard.
I see 8.8 for top 51, which is about 7.5 for top 53. (Ginn and Gipson were surprisingly cheap).
Probably why our interest has waned (among other things possibly) .... we are only shopping at Wal-Mart at this point of the season, not Nordstrom.
profootballtalk.com wrote:On Monday, there was a report about how much Warford is looking for from one of those teams or any other suitor for his services. Warford was set to make over $7 million in base salary with the Saints and Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that he’s looking for something in the same neighborhood.
Hitting that number may be difficult given where we are in the offseason, but having multiple teams in pursuit would likely help push his salary higher.
The Texans and the Bears were involved in those early reports of interest in signing Warford, although PFT reported on Saturday that the Bears aren’t going to pursue the guard.
dplank wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:32 am
I read they let him go cause he was struggling mightily in pass pro by the end of the year. Wants 7M. I’m not going to be too upset if we pass...
Wouldn't be surprised. People see the pro bowls and get excited, but NO likely doesn't make this move if they felt he was legitimately still a 7M a year player. Who knows, maybe that 3rd pro bowl was a legacy nod. Remember they signed Peat to a big deal, effectively choosing him over Warford. It wouldn't be surprising if he's already on his downside.
Yea exactly, remember when Kyle Long made the Pro Bowl as a RT? He was awful that year. Legacy nod. And the downside comes faster for guys who aren't fit - Warford is a high body fat guy who will slow down fast as he gets beat up/older.
wab wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 12:16 pm
You guys are doing an awful lot of arguing over the potential contract for a player that the Bears aren't even interested in.
I mean the whole chain started before the definitive "Bears no longer interested" news. Should we just lock up the thread now?
