G08 you could also add Bryce Callahan and Roy Robertson-Harris to the list as undrafted free agents. Personally I'd include Alex Bars with them as well, who is at the least a solid backup and I suspect could be a starter.
Otis Day wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:18 pm
As for Amos and Floyd, they are thriving, I guess, somewhere else. So that goes against him IMO. Poor draft pics for the system they were in?
Not sure you can count Howard as he was let go after a couple of productive years. Anyone can say he sucked after he left, but leaves one to wonder if he could have still been good here.
I don't believe you can say Floyd and particularly Amos were poor picks for the Bears system.
Amos was a very sound player during his time in Chicago. I seem to recall PFF ranking him as the second best safety one year (although I put little stock in their grades), he was a good tackler and rarely caught out of position. The one knock on him was that he didn't get many turnovers. I didn't like Pace letting him go because his partnership with Jackson was so good. The problem is that you can't afford to keep everyone. However, Amos only got $12 guaranteed by the Packers and Pace could have competed with that.
Floyd wasn't bad in Chicago, just not the sack machine he was expected to be. He had 7 sacks in 12 games as a rookie and 4.5 in 10 games the next year, with a couple of safeties, and he was used in coverage a lot especially after Mack's arrival. The thing I really liked about him was that he often had his best games against the Packers averaging nearly a sack a game against them (2016 Week 7: 2 sacks, FF, FR and a TD, 2017: 1.5 sacks, 2018 Week 14: 2 sacks, 6 solo tackles, 2019 Week 1: 2 sacks, 4 solo tackles).
As for Howard, he was just fine when playing for the Eagles in 2019 in a supposedly similar offense to Nagy's and managed to average 0.7 ypc more than in his one season playing for him:
2019: 10 games, 119 carries, 525 yards, 4.4 ypc, 6 TDs plus 10 receptions, 69 yards with 1 TD.
It was a shame he got injured especially seeing he'd had two of his best games of the year prior to that (96 yards with a TD and 82 yards with a TD).
I've no idea what went wrong for him in Miami, but he's been productive in the 4 games he's played with the Eagles again this year:
2021: 4 games, 51 carries, 274 yards, 5.4 ypc, 3 TDs
Once again, it's a shame he got injured and is currently out with a sprained knee. He's a quality RB who I still believe Pace should not have let go but he did it to try to give his head coach players that fit his system. The problem is that system is woeful.
A great many, but by no means all, of Pace's failings can be laid at Nagy's door. Like dplank "I have a hard time judging Pace’s roster building because Nagy". However Pace is responsible for hiring Nagy so whilst I'm interested to see what another head coach could do with the roster he's built I'm not bothered either way whether he stays or go.