Allen Robinson

[wab]

With Fields developing more of a rapport with guys like Mooney and Goodwin…and with Robinson’s agent bitching incessantly about the lack of targets for his client, my question is: Do you want the Bears to consider trading him before the deadline?

IMO they could net a first for him and recoup some of the lost capital from the JF trade.

I like Robinson (even though I think he overrated by the media), but I’d do it in a heartbeat.

[Hema2.0]

Trade him for sure if the option is available. Draft a WR early next year.

Let said WR and JF1 grow together along with Mooney and co.

[Moriarty]

If they can get a first, absolutely.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers ... n-and-more

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

If you can get a first for Allen, I think you take it. Bring up Adams from the PS, and see if you can get some performance out of Perriman.

[spudbear]

I'd do the trade for a 2nd rounder. Teams typically do not trade for WR once the season starts, as it takes time for a QB and WR to work well together.

Graham could go for a 5th or later for all I care. Seeing Horsted inactive while lump Graham takes up space aggravates me. Fields and Horsted worked well together in the preseason, and I'd like to see Horsted get a chance to develop as a TE who can snap off some good receptions. All Graham is doing is taking away potential PT from Jesper.

[dplank]

If you can get a first for Allen, I think you take it. Bring up Adams from the PS, and see if you can get some performance out of Perriman.

I don't think we'd get close to a 1st for him. It'd be a part time rental with no guarantee that he's on your team going forward. When this happens in baseball, you see great players moved for fairly small value in prospects in return.

I'd say we could get maybe a 3rd or 4th? I'd still do it. I know we'd be in line for a nice compensatory pick if he leaves in the off season, but those can get offset really easily and never materialize so I'd take the sure thing. Mooney appears to be our #1 right now, and sadly I've come to the realization that we're not going anywhere this season so might as well stock up for 2022.

[Atkins&Rebel]

He’s still drawing the #1 CB in coverage. Take Robinson away and our other guys are going to look a lot more covered.

[malk]

I'd take a 2nd and consider a 3rd to be honest! The comp pick point is a valid one but the cap space back would be very nice!

Not actually a third, given it would likely be a contender you'd hope it wouldn't be less than a low 2nd. Who has the space tho?

[The Marshall Plan]

I'm starting to think my whole Pay ARob Trade Roquan opinion over the summer was a giant steaming pile of shit.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

I'm starting to think my whole Pay ARob Trade Roquan opinion over the summer was a giant steaming pile of shit.

I can confirm that. It was a steaming pile.

[Moriarty]

I'd take a 2nd and consider a 3rd to be honest! The comp pick point is a valid one but the cap space back would be very nice!

Not actually a third, given it would likely be a contender you'd hope it wouldn't be less than a low 2nd. Who has the space tho?

Ah, now that's a bit tricky.

At least he doesn't cost 18M, but right before deadline would be about 9.5

[Moriarty]

If you can get a first for Allen, I think you take it. Bring up Adams from the PS, and see if you can get some performance out of Perriman.

I don't think we'd get close to a 1st for him. It'd be a part time rental with no guarantee that he's on your team going forward. When this happens in baseball, you see great players moved for fairly small value in prospects in return.

I'd say we could get maybe a 3rd or 4th? I'd still do it. I know we'd be in line for a nice compensatory pick if he leaves in the off season, but those can get offset really easily and never materialize so I'd take the sure thing. Mooney appears to be our #1 right now, and sadly I've come to the realization that we're not going anywhere this season so might as well stock up for 2022.

Agreed.

You need to manage your FA moves skillfully and Pace has a poor record for this sort of timing and coordination.
I'd take the late 2 readily. Late 3...mmm maybe. See how well he and Fields relate in the meantime.

Also, remember, though - if something would have canceled out the ARob loss, then it still moves on to canceling the next biggest instead.
So, for example, if the situation with no trades would have ended up being:

ARob - canceled out R3
Hicks - R3

Then trading ARob for a R3 means:
ARob - traded for R3
Hicks - canceled out R3

and you didn't really gain much - a couple draft slots, plus a little cap relief, minus however much ARob would have been good for Fields

[dplank]

I'm starting to think my whole Pay ARob Trade Roquan opinion over the summer was a giant steaming pile of shit.

haha! Yep. But hey, we all have em - my list of failed takes is long and painful. One I'm starting to regret was my call to extend Akiem Hicks, can't believe the dude is hurt again (I think I'm the only one surprised by that lmao). I also wanted to lock in ARob and that looks entirely unnecessary. Thought Graham was worth keeping as a red zone target. I could keep going but it'd be embarrassing.

[Otis Day]

I hate agents, Fuck them all!!!! I would do it for a 3rd and nothing less. The team won yesterday without him being the man. I think Mooney, Goodwin, Byrd and the TEs if used can carry the load. Not sure I would draft a WR rd 1 (which they do not have right now, correct). I still go OL early.

[The Marshall Plan]

I'm starting to think my whole Pay ARob Trade Roquan opinion over the summer was a giant steaming pile of shit.

I can confirm that. It was a steaming pile.

[Moriarty]

Not sure I would draft a WR rd 1 (which they do not have right now, correct). I still go OL early.

I think you'd either need a draft pick or decent FA - but not 18M worth.

Depending on what's there, I could very easily imagine (me, not Pace) wanting to go T:1, G or C: 2, C or G: 3

[Arkansasbear]

It should be considered if something comes along. If its' a 1st it's a no brainer. I just don't think we could get a 1'st for half a season out of him (unless a contending team lost there #1 WR). Maybe you could get a 2nd, more likely 2 3rds.

[The Marshall Plan]

WHEN Fields develops into a top tier QB we aren't going to need $20M WRs.

What'll happen is that Fields will take mediocre or slightly above average WRs and turn them into studs by throwing the ball right into their hands.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

WHEN Fields develops into a top tier QB we aren't going to need $20M WRs.

What'll happen is that Fields will take mediocre or slightly above average WRs and turn them into studs by throwing the ball right into their hands.

See Tom Brady (I'm not comparing Fields to Brady, but he has elevated receivers for the last 12-15 years).

[HurricaneBear]

He’s still drawing the #1 CB in coverage. Take Robinson away and our other guys are going to look a lot more covered.

This. Even if he's not getting the targets he is helping the offense. This team has no one that can fill those shoes. For Fields development he needs weapons and ARob is the best weapon on this team outside of Montgomery. Mooney is not ready to beat number 1 receivers week in and week out.

[RichH55]

I don't think we'd get close to a 1st for him. It'd be a part time rental with no guarantee that he's on your team going forward. When this happens in baseball, you see great players moved for fairly small value in prospects in return.

I'd say we could get maybe a 3rd or 4th? I'd still do it. I know we'd be in line for a nice compensatory pick if he leaves in the off season, but those can get offset really easily and never materialize so I'd take the sure thing. Mooney appears to be our #1 right now, and sadly I've come to the realization that we're not going anywhere this season so might as well stock up for 2022.

Agreed.

You need to manage your FA moves skillfully and Pace has a poor record for this sort of timing and coordination.
I'd take the late 2 readily. Late 3...mmm maybe. See how well he and Fields relate in the meantime.

Also, remember, though - if something would have canceled out the ARob loss, then it still moves on to canceling the next biggest instead.
So, for example, if the situation with no trades would have ended up being:

ARob - canceled out R3
Hicks - R3

Then trading ARob for a R3 means:
ARob - traded for R3
Hicks - canceled out R3

and you didn't really gain much - a couple draft slots, plus a little cap relief, minus however much ARob would have been good for Fields

Very interesting

I think for a 2nd maybe you do it?

[Grizzled]

He made a couple of nice catches against Detroit, especially that key 3rd down one. Maybe he and Fields will develop more chemistry. If a team came calling, though, I'd have to consider a 2nd rounder.

[wab]

He made a couple of nice catches against Detroit, especially that key 3rd down one. Maybe he and Fields will develop more chemistry. If a team came calling, though, I'd have to consider a 2nd rounder.

I don't think they will trade him if I'm being honest. But he's making a ton of money to only have 13 catches for 149 yards in a month.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

He made a couple of nice catches against Detroit, especially that key 3rd down one. Maybe he and Fields will develop more chemistry. If a team came calling, though, I'd have to consider a 2nd rounder.

I don't think they will trade him if I'm being honest. But he's making a ton of money to only have 13 catches for 149 yards in a month.

If teams start keying on Mooney, that may free up more space for Robinson.

[G08]

He made a couple of nice catches against Detroit, especially that key 3rd down one. Maybe he and Fields will develop more chemistry. If a team came calling, though, I'd have to consider a 2nd rounder.

I don't think they will trade him if I'm being honest. But he's making a ton of money to only have 13 catches for 149 yards in a month.

I've said it before... I don't think he's a 1, but I have high expectations for WRs.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

I don't think they will trade him if I'm being honest. But he's making a ton of money to only have 13 catches for 149 yards in a month.

I've said it before... I don't think he's a 1, but I have high expectations for WRs.

He makes #1 type catches though. That one on the sidelines with ARob pulling off a perfect toe drag was very 1-esque.

[G08]

I've said it before... I don't think he's a 1, but I have high expectations for WRs.

He makes #1 type catches though. That one on the sidelines with ARob pulling off a perfect toe drag was very 1-esque.

He doesn't do it routinely though. Kicking a ball in the air for an INT last year, not getting both feet in on sideline catches where a true #1 would have, losing 50/50 balls to a corner, etc.

[The Marshall Plan]

With Fields developing more of a rapport with guys like Mooney and Goodwin…and with Robinson’s agent bitching incessantly about the lack of targets for his client, my question is: Do you want the Bears to consider trading him before the deadline?

IMO they could net a first for him and recoup some of the lost capital from the JF trade.

I like Robinson (even though I think he overrated by the media), but I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Not knowing where the first round pick is. Let's assume it's the 16th pick. Halfway through.

Yeah I can live with that. This season is a lost cause except for Fields' development anyway.

[wab]

I don't know if they could get a 1st. It would probably be from a team who is a contender and needs a little push - so maybe something in the 20's. I think that's MORE than fair for Robinson.

I think a 2 and a 4 would get it done though for me (putting on my Madden GM hat).

[RichH55]

I've said it before... I don't think he's a 1, but I have high expectations for WRs.

He makes #1 type catches though. That one on the sidelines with ARob pulling off a perfect toe drag was very 1-esque.

Thats not how that works though.

He just doesnt get any separation. That's a problem especially with a Rookie QB

Of all the Bears and Bears fans - no one wants Dalton more than Robinson IMHO