Bears Interior OL / Running Game

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Incidentally, from the same article:

Credit where it’s due: The Bears looked lost at left tackle when they cut Charles Leno and had six players line up with the first team in the search for his replacement — including rookies Teven Jenkins and Larry Borom. Picking up 39-year-old Jason Peters looked like a desperate move — and perhaps it was. But it’s working out so far. Peters is ranked fourth among tackles by Pro Football Focus in overall effectiveness.

Peters’ performance against the Packers was “probably his best technical game,” offensive line coach Juan Castillo said. “In pass protection … we had talked about being able to play square and be consistent and this probably was his best game [with] those techniques. He’s getting a little bit [more] in shape every game, so he’s getting to that point we’d like to have him at.”

The very fact that Peters can step on to the field and move the way he does at 39 years old is a minor miracle. My respect for him is growing, and so is the decision to go out and use him as a stop gap. Just amazing.

[IE]

Incidentally, from the same article:

The very fact that Peters can step on to the field and move the way he does at 39 years old is a minor miracle. My respect for him is growing, and so is the decision to go out and use him as a stop gap. Just amazing.

Agreed on Peters. He kind of looks like a Dad out there playing with kids... maybe not quite as athletic but bigger and stronger and smarter so he's still getting it done.

I personally haven't see the Oline as being "as" bad as some of the concerns I'm hearing. All Olines give up some pressure and give up a few sacks. Overall I think they've been protecting JF1 adequately. A few games he wasn't stepping up when he should. They let him down a few times every game. They'll get better. It is hard to be overall negative on the Oline when they're running the ball to the tune of 4.5 ypc with 3 different backs.

I really do think they'll get better at pass pro and also at running. Monty will be back. Williams just started looking like his old self again. And what we've seen from Herbert looks like his floor. This is all really good. Last time the Bears had such a strong and deep running game they went to the Superbowl (TJ and Benson). And that was with a great D and an inexperienced QB with a big arm.

[Grizzled]

The Bears did rush for a respectable amount of yards against the Pack with Herbert and Fields. Herbert had only 19 carries. Nall and Pierce weren't used at all. The Bucs will present a big challenge, they are very stout against the run game.

[Xee]

I have to say, I was completely wrong on Peters. I know he's not perfect but after watching some Eagles fans breakdown horrendous playing on his part on Youtube I didn't think he would bring anything positive to this team. Glad that I have no idea what I'm talking about. haha

[G08]

I have to say, I was completely wrong on Peters. I know he's not perfect but after watching some Eagles fans breakdown horrendous playing on his part on Youtube I didn't think he would bring anything positive to this team. Glad that I have no idea what I'm talking about. haha

He's been a monster in the run game.

[wab]

I have to say, I was completely wrong on Peters. I know he's not perfect but after watching some Eagles fans breakdown horrendous playing on his part on Youtube I didn't think he would bring anything positive to this team. Glad that I have no idea what I'm talking about. haha

Nah, the first 3 games, Peters WAS bad. He's sort of hitting his stride now and seems to be getting into "football shape".

[G08]

PFF Grades... take it for what it's worth:

Peters - 79.6
Whitehair - 67.3
Mustipher - 44.7
Daniels - 61.4
Ifedi - 60.2 // Wilkinson - 65.4

[thunderspirit]

I have to say, I was completely wrong on Peters. I know he's not perfect but after watching some Eagles fans breakdown horrendous playing on his part on Youtube I didn't think he would bring anything positive to this team. Glad that I have no idea what I'm talking about. haha

Nah, the first 3 games, Peters WAS bad. He's sort of hitting his stride now and seems to be getting into "football shape".

This.

We'll see if his body can hold up at 39. (I know mine wouldn't have.)

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

PFF Grades... take it for what it's worth:


Mustipher - 44.7

Yeesh! @wab It's not only the eye test that he's failing.

[IE]

PFF Grades... take it for what it's worth:

Peters - 79.6
Whitehair - 67.3
Mustipher - 44.7
Daniels - 61.4
Ifedi - 60.2 // Wilkinson - 65.4

This is about exactly what my eyes have been telling me overall (not focusing on individual plays). Physically Mustipher is the weak link and needs to get better. He'll have better parts of the season than playing against the likes of Donald or Kenny Clark (who is & has been really good for years - and to not mention his name as if he's a nobody is pretty disingenuous). The "pass" I'm giving Mustipher right now is based on the fact that the Center is the leader of the Oline and the Bear running game performance since he has been starting Center is undeniable. It can't be a coincidence. Orchestrating the blocking and individual blocking are two different things. So as long as the Center is presiding over a strong running game... I don't mind if his grade is in the 50s or whatever.

That said they had better move that pocket this week, or Vea (lol who is only listed as "345"... he's gotta be pushing 400) and Suh are going to feast. This might be the biggest interior DLine challenge they have all season. I don't know about trying a screen game against those LBs... I can see a lot of lost yardage plays. But with that Buc secondary if the Bear WRs can go off maybe it can be a game.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

PFF Grades... take it for what it's worth:

Peters - 79.6
Whitehair - 67.3
Mustipher - 44.7
Daniels - 61.4
Ifedi - 60.2 // Wilkinson - 65.4

This is about exactly what my eyes have been telling me overall (not focusing on individual plays). Physically Mustipher is the weak link and needs to get better. He'll have better parts of the season than playing against the likes of Donald or Kenny Clark (who is & has been really good for years - and to not mention his name as if he's a nobody is pretty disingenuous). The "pass" I'm giving Mustipher right now is based on the fact that the Center is the leader of the Oline and the Bear running game performance since he has been starting Center is undeniable. It can't be a coincidence. Orchestrating the blocking and individual blocking are two different things. So as long as the Center is presiding over a strong running game... I don't mind if his grade is in the 50s or whatever.

That said they had better move that pocket this week, or Vea (lol who is only listed as "345"... he's gotta be pushing 400) and Suh are going to feast. This might be the biggest interior DLine challenge they have all season. I don't know about trying a screen game against those LBs... I can see a lot of lost yardage plays. But with that Buc secondary if the Bear WRs can go off maybe it can be a game.

Unfortunately I don't have any faith that Nagy is going to approve a game plan that would exploit any of TB's weaknesses.

[dplank]

You have to think Bars can outperform Mustipher. I hate shuffling guys around on the line as cohesiveness is so damn important, but I would be in favor of moving Daniels back to C and plugging Bars in at RG.

[IE]

You have to think Bars can outperform Mustipher. I hate shuffling guys around on the line as cohesiveness is so damn important, but I would be in favor of moving Daniels back to C and plugging Bars in at RG.

My prediction if they replace Mustipher with a guy who isn't a true Center is the run game sputters because the Oline isn't playing as aware. And then without running success, here they come.

I guess I'm saying that although Mustipher's physical stuff is a weakness of the Oline his leadership is a strength that will be conspicuously missing. I know I keep saying this but look at the run game effectiveness in games he's started going back to last year. The only "bad" one was the NO playoff game and I don't even know if they even tried to run... instead it was a Nagy dink fest IIRC. It can't be a coincidence that the run game is so much better when he's in there.

I guess no harm in trying it out (trying someone else out). I'd love to be wrong and have the best line out there possible. I've just been sort of in Mustipher's camp because I'm seeing causation. Maybe it is only correllation.