UPDATE: Future Head Coaching Options Discussion

otis · Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pm

McDaniels is a tool. Any one under belicheck world be a pass just for general purposes.

GSH · Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:31 pm

I hope he doesnt get hired just because i dont think i could handle all the memes and merch that inevitably comes with " DaBoll / Da Bears"

Ditka’s dictaphone · Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am

otis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pm McDaniels is a tool. Any one under belicheck world be a pass just for general purposes.

Ok, well I don’t know him that well but he seems like he knows football

IE · Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 am

Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am
otis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pm McDaniels is a tool. Any one under belicheck world be a pass just for general purposes.
Ok, well I don’t know him that well but he seems like he knows football

Ditka is and was an enormous tool.

Ditka’s dictaphone · Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:33 am

IE wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 am
Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am

Ok, well I don’t know him that well but he seems like he knows football
Ditka is and was an enormous tool.

And by all accounts Matt Nagy is a lovely guy.

I guess it depends what your essential criteria for a head coach are.

Personality or Ability.

I’m long past the age where I expect professional sports stars to be stand-up guys. You probably wouldn’t want to be mates with many of them.

Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:22 am

IE wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 am
Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am

Ok, well I don’t know him that well but he seems like he knows football
Ditka is and was an enormous tool.

Yeah, but McDaniels is also a sneaky/shady dude.

Grizzled · Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:43 am

wab wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:22 am
IE wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 am

Ditka is and was an enormous tool.
Yeah, but McDaniels is also a sneaky/shady dude.

He is a great offensive mind. Look at how he's developed Mac Jones. But after the way he shafted Indy, I wouldn't want to see that type of guy coaching the Bears.

IE · Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:17 am

Grizzled wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:43 am
wab wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:22 am
Yeah, but McDaniels is also a sneaky/shady dude.
He is a great offensive mind. Look at how he's developed Mac Jones. But after the way he shafted Indy, I wouldn't want to see that type of guy coaching the Bears.

I understand the Indy thing. He clearly did what he thought was best for him. Per this SI story it wasn't just him jilting them at the last minute, and there were issue left to iron out that he didn't want unfinished prior to making it official. The Colts did announce the press conference without having the deal finalized. Two articles with two stories. Who knows.

https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/gm-repo ... ched-colts

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/pos ... back-again

Regardless... I can't see him leaving NE now. But if he did I'd fully support his hiring for the Bears. No style points with him - like with his boss, it is all about winning. As a Bears fan, that's something I really miss.

Moriarty · Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:45 am

IE wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:39 am
Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am

Ok, well I don’t know him that well but he seems like he knows football
Ditka is and was an enormous tool.

Agreed.

I'm not sure if that's intended as a sales pitch, though.
I'm not very interested in purchasing another Ditka.

dplank · Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:48 am

I don't care who is HC so long as they put us on a path to winning a Super Bowl. Same with Bezoz potential ownership, just win baby. Ditka is a massive tool and of course the face of our bumbling franchise since we've only won 1 super bowl. If winning another super bowl brings us another tool, so be it.

Moriarty · Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:59 am

dplank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:48 am I don't care who is HC so long as they put us on a path to winning a Super Bowl. Same with Bezoz potential ownership, just win baby. Ditka is a massive tool and of course the face of our bumbling franchise since we've only won 1 super bowl. If winning another super bowl brings us another tool, so be it.

Also agreed.

But I don't think Ditka is what brought the last one, or what's needed for another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Finks

wulfy · Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:16 pm

Dallas is good offensively because they have an amazing offensive line.

otis · Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:29 pm

What about bill Obrien? A winning record. Coached Watson successfuly. Seemed to have a good team. Went to shit when he became gm. I'm more on board with a previous head coach than a oc, first time coach. Enough letting people earn their stripes on our dime.

TheWorldBreaker · Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:53 pm

otis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:29 pm What about bill Obrien? A winning record. Coached Watson successfuly. Seemed to have a good team. Went to shit when he became gm. I'm more on board with a previous head coach than a oc, first time coach. Enough letting people earn their stripes on our dime.

Did he coach Watson successfully or did Watson make it appear that way if you weren’t paying attention and didn’t notice Watson getting out of sacks and making plays happen like a magician?

O’Brien failed as a GM and then ultimately as a coach in the NFL because he thought he was smarter than everyone else. That’s a fatal flaw.

Hard pass.

southdakbearfan · Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:13 pm

I don't want the next hot coordinator, I want a stud head coach.

southdakbearfan · Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:19 pm

Still on the Harbaugh train, successful at every level including the NFL. Developed two athletic QB into something that turned to nothing when he left or were nothing before he got there. Brought in good coordinators.

Ditka’s dictaphone · Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:23 am

Sean Payton?

History with the Bears, having a rough time in New Orleans with no QB.
I think he’s a good HC and if the Saints blow up then he could be tempted….

cblaz11 · Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:24 am

southdakbearfan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:13 pm I don't want the next hot coordinator, I want a stud head coach.

Agreed…but who?

Harbaugh probably isn’t happening…

Shanahan probably won’t get fired….

Tomlin maybe….but probably won’t get fired

Doug Pederson? Who?

Grizzled · Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:31 am

cblaz11 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:24 am
southdakbearfan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:13 pm I don't want the next hot coordinator, I want a stud head coach.
Agreed…but who?

Harbaugh probably isn’t happening…

Shanahan probably won’t get fired….

Tomlin maybe….but probably won’t get fired

Doug Pederson? Who?

Vance Joseph, Cards D coordinator? Todd Bowles - Bucs D coordinator? Leslie Frazier - Buffalo D coordinator? Dan Quinn - Cowboys D coordinator? The problem with finding a former HC is that word 'former', as in failed in a previous HC job in one form or fashion. Maybe they learned from their failures.

Ditka’s dictaphone · Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:34 am

Sean Payton? Might not survive too much longer at the Saints.

Grizzled · Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:35 am

Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:23 am Sean Payton?

History with the Bears, having a rough time in New Orleans with no QB.
I think he’s a good HC and if the Saints blow up then he could be tempted….

Funny you should say this, it's a rumor floating around now. I'd jump all over that one if he became available.

Ditka’s dictaphone · Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:36 am

Grizzled wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:35 am
Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:23 am Sean Payton?

History with the Bears, having a rough time in New Orleans with no QB.
I think he’s a good HC and if the Saints blow up then he could be tempted….
Funny you should say this, it's a rumor floating around now. I'd jump all over that one if he became available.

If he could work with Fields like he worked with Drew Brees ……

G08 · Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:02 am

More and more, Todd Bowles makes a ton of sense.

Just need to know what his plan is on offense.

mmmc_35 · Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:44 am

I get the Kellen Moore thought. Honestly it's a cool thought, young wonder kid. Hes shown so much promise, yadda yadda.

In the end they wont pick him. He has very little experience. If Pace keeps his job that's a really big swing. If Pace is fired the new GM would need balls the size of atlas stones to go for him too.

dplank · Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:21 pm

mmmc_35 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:44 am I get the Kellen Moore thought. Honestly it's a cool thought, young wonder kid. Hes shown so much promise, yadda yadda.

In the end they wont pick him. He has very little experience. If Pace keeps his job that's a really big swing. If Pace is fired the new GM would need balls the size of atlas stones to go for him too.

Does seem to be the current trend though doesn't it? Teams hiring really young HC's? Staley, McVay come immediately to mind. Zac Taylor. Tomlin was really unproven and young back when he was hired to run Pittsburgh. LaFleur kinda sorta, a little older I guess.

mmmc_35 · Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:19 pm

Yeah and I dont see how Pace can do it again.

A new gm maybe but Moore has 3 years coaching. I guess a new gm could sell it.

McVeigh 8
Taylor 10
LaFleur 16
Thomlin 10
Nagy 9

Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:58 am

mmmc_35 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:19 pm Yeah and I dont see how Pace can do it again.

A new gm maybe but Moore has 3 years coaching. I guess a new gm could sell it.

McVeigh 8
Taylor 10
LaFleur 16
Thomlin 10
Nagy 9

This is where I'm at. Moore may be brilliant and all, but the Bears can hardly afford to spend another 4-5 years letting a coach learn on the job. Other than some BS inern/assistant stuff with the Eagles, when the Bears hired him, Nagy had only been actually "coaching" at the NFL level since 2012.

mmmc_35 · Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:10 am

wab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:58 am This is where I'm at. Moore may be brilliant and all, but the Bears can hardly afford to spend another 4-5 years letting a coach learn on the job. Other than some BS inern/assistant stuff with the Eagles, when the Bears hired him, Nagy had only been actually "coaching" at the NFL level since 2012.

Yes. I included all the years coaching, even like some college and intern years for this group. I agree with you. I dont see how some one could take the risk, in this teams current environment.

dplank · Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:09 am

Yea you guys are probably right. I'd be excited if they did it though.

southdakbearfan · Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:06 pm

He has nfl head coach experience and was ultra successful. 44-18 as a head coach, including 4-0 vs the Aaron Rogers led pack.

He knows Chicago as he played QB here. He knows the demands and media of the city.

He successfully developed both Alex Smith (who was thought of as a bust before him) and Colin Kappernick (athletic) into good, winning NFL QBs. An athletic high potential QB is sitting here waiting to be developed. He also crafted the offense towards the players talents vs the square peg round hole, my way or the Highway philosophy we have now.

He knows how to stick with the run game when it is winning. Currently we could be getting 6-7 ypc and we wouldn’t run over 40% and wouldn’t stick with it.

It may be a long shot but he has bears connections. The nfl itch may be there and his success this year with Michigan paves his way back to the college ranks in the future as I believe Harbaugh is a 4-7 year tops guy that eventually wears management thin and leaves.

If and when the hatchet comes down on Nagy, that is the first call I am making if I am doing the hiring.

He isn’t a hot coordinator that may or may not be a decent head coach, he isn’t a failed retread.

The second call I make is probably Bowles, as I think he got a bumb deal with the jets being a perennial dumpster fire.

Moore - doesn’t interest me as he just doesn’t have the experience and their offense has cooled a lot.
Daboll - still Luke warm on him as the success is over time.
Pederson - no thanks, he damn near ruined Wentz after Reich left.