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dplank wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:55 am It’s also the super star rules (Favre Erin getting Jordan treatment)
Yes, this is definitely a factor and it's not one that just applies to Green Bay. Tom Brady and the infamous 'tuck rule' springs to mind and didn't the league move the position of one of the officials to accommodate Peyton Manning? That's just obvious kowtowing to the star QBs, but there are also many calls made or not made in their favour almost every week.

Roughing the passer calls stand out for one. You can barely breathe on a star QB without getting flagged. Perfectly legitimate hits are penalised because of the 'we must protect our star QBs so they don't get hurt' mantra. It has a wider effect on defenders too. During the Thursday night game Mahomes moved to impede one of the Chargers defenders on a reverse or end around (can't remember which) and instead of just taking the opportunity of running through and levelling him the defender slowed up and barely touched him. You sometimes see it on QB runs too, where they're near the first down and the defender is uncertain whether they're going to go for it or slide. If a star QB takes a big hit in any situation then you can guarantee a flag will fly immediately because the officials assume it must have been illegal regardless of whether it was.
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Rodgers (or a Brady, etc) getting calls that maybe a Rookie wouldn't? Ok. Though again, there is something to be said about being good in terms of getting the calls, but ok.

That's the same as "30 YEARS" of Data. And people liking the story?

When the Bears were good - it was an absolute cultural phenomenon - from Da Bears on NBC (before everything was a niche market) to the Super Bowl Shuffle - All the Ditka stuff- when Bears are winning

But the league doesn't want that?

We really - truly - actually think - the league fixes games - BUT only intra-season ?

That is the contention - repeatedly - put across here.
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HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:47 pm
dplank wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:55 am It’s also the super star rules (Favre Erin getting Jordan treatment)
Yes, this is definitely a factor and it's not one that just applies to Green Bay. Tom Brady and the infamous 'tuck rule' springs to mind and didn't the league move the position of one of the officials to accommodate Peyton Manning? That's just obvious kowtowing to the star QBs, but there are also many calls made or not made in their favour almost every week.

Roughing the passer calls stand out for one. You can barely breathe on a star QB without getting flagged. Perfectly legitimate hits are penalised because of the 'we must protect our star QBs so they don't get hurt' mantra. It has a wider effect on defenders too. During the Thursday night game Mahomes moved to impede one of the Chargers defenders on a reverse or end around (can't remember which) and instead of just taking the opportunity of running through and levelling him the defender slowed up and barely touched him. You sometimes see it on QB runs too, where they're near the first down and the defender is uncertain whether they're going to go for it or slide. If a star QB takes a big hit in any situation then you can guarantee a flag will fly immediately because the officials assume it must have been illegal regardless of whether it was.
There is absolutely an element of the star QB call (no where near NBA level - no one near "ITS FIXED! BUT REGULAR SEASON ONLY- BECAUSE REASONS!")

I think there is also an element of the more athletic the QB is - when out of the pocket - the more the Refs hesitate to throw the flag. Cam Newton was a beast who could really run - and in his Prime (when on National Commercials and making Pro Bowls) He IMHO got some of the LEAST Benefit of the doubt on those types of calls.

The new guy for that seems to be Lamar Jackson - absolutely a monster threat running the ball. AND I dont think he gets anywhere nears the calls he should

BUT just because people call people Racist here if you note things like that. It's not Race.

Josh Allen gets less calls than he should versus a guy like Teddy Two-Gloves


Could it simply be as easy as there is a bias in Officials towards Defenders when the QB is a bigger threat running the ball?

Or is it 30 Years of Rigging games for the Packers! v. you know the Packers had two HOF QBs and that might be the single most important position not just in Football but in All of Sports right?
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pus wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:30 am TMP and plank are absolutely right. The packers are the quaint, nostalgic, but still powerful and extraordinary, small-town champions of professional football. That perception is deeply ingrained in the NFL culture.


This is a quote taken from the first (and hopefully last) quickie search I just did about Titletown, USA:

"That's right, Green Bay, Wis. How can a city with only 100,000 people in northern Wisconsin support the most legendary football team in the nation? Clearly, Green Bay is simply TitleTown USA."


They even named the SB trophy after fuckface Lombardi. Call it whatever you want, its the league culture and its been like that for a long time. Its just part of the NFL dynastic-heroic theme and legendary history, legendary this, legendary that, blah blah blah..

So if the Bears had some history maybe we'd get those calls?
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RichH55 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:10 pm
So if the Bears had some history maybe we'd get those calls?
I think it's more the town than the team - green bay would be completely anonymous and unknown to the rest of the country without their NFL franchise. They're the (only) small town that stands out among (against) the big cities which makes them unique (special) in today's NFL. The town, as well as the pukers, have adopted that as their number one identify to the world and they've done a fairly decent marketing job over the years.

Maybe its of little significance, though.
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pus wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:30 am TMP and plank are absolutely right. The packers are the quaint, nostalgic, but still powerful and extraordinary, small-town champions of professional football. That perception is deeply ingrained in the NFL culture.


This is a quote taken from the first (and hopefully last) quickie search I just did about Titletown, USA:

"That's right, Green Bay, Wis. How can a city with only 100,000 people in northern Wisconsin support the most legendary football team in the nation? Clearly, Green Bay is simply TitleTown USA."


They even named the SB trophy after fuckface Lombardi. Call it whatever you want, its the league culture and its been like that for a long time. Its just part of the NFL dynastic-heroic theme and legendary history, legendary this, legendary that, blah blah blah..
By comparison, here are the towns in Illinois with 100K or more people besides Chicago.

https://www.illinois-demographics.com/c ... population

Aurora
Joliet
Naperville
Rockford
Elgin
Springfield
Peoria

I'm thinking we need 4 or 5 teams in Illinois now.
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3rd quarter, 7:49, tied game, Packers on the Ravens' 21 yard line, 3rd and 10, Lazard drops Rodgers' pass...

... so of course officials call a penalty.

Initially the flag thrower seems to indicate a defensive hold, which would give the Packers 5 yards and crucially an automatic first down. Then after a discussion it gets changed to PI and they get 12 yards and a first down. Reviews show there is barely any contact and no hold, let alone PI.

John Harbaugh's can't believe it. His face is a picture of incredulousness.

Packers score a TD on the next play.

Time and time again fellas, time and time again...

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3rd quarter, 4:10, Ravens on the Packers' 15 yard line, 4th and 1, Ravens going for it...

... so of course officials call a penalty.

Rookie OG is settling into a 4 point stance and the Packers defenders point at him. Once settled he doesn't move, but the official throws the flag and call him for a false start. Ravens settle for the FG.

Time and time again fellas, time and time again...
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HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:22 pm 3rd quarter, 7:49, tied game, Packers on the Ravens' 21 yard line, 3rd and 10, Lazard drops Rodgers' pass...

... so of course officials call a penalty.

Initially the flag thrower seems to indicate a defensive hold, which would give the Packers 5 yards and crucially an automatic first down. Then after a discussion it gets changed to PI and they get 12 yards and a first down. Reviews show there is barely any contact and no hold, let alone PI.

John Harbaugh's can't believe it. His face is a picture of incredulousness.

Packers score a TD on the next play.

Time and time again fellas, time and time again...

Edit:
3rd quarter, 4:10, Ravens on the Packers' 15 yard line, 4th and 1, Ravens going for it...

... so of course officials call a penalty.

Rookie OG is settling into a 4 point stance and the Packers defenders point at him. Once settled he doesn't move, but the official throws the flag and call him for a false start. Ravens settle for the FG.

Time and time again fellas, time and time again...
Yep.

The Cardinals lost to Detroit earlier today. A Packers win separates them by a game for a home field advantage / first round bye playoff spot.

Not surprised at all by this.
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Ravens should’ve taken the extra point IMO
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The Marshall Plan wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:47 pm
Yep.

The Cardinals lost to Detroit earlier today. A Packers win separates them by a game for a home field advantage / first round bye playoff spot.

Not surprised at all by this.
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Nope because it makes zero difference. You're either in the playoff race or you're not.

The pundits keeps saying that it doesn't matter about the draft because the Bears' first round pick goes to the Giants, but the worse they do the higher they'll pick in all the other rounds. It does make the price for getting Fields that much higher though. Right now the Bears are in 6th, tied with the Giants with 4 wins. The Texans and Jets are only one game back I wonder if the Texans will regret beating the Jaguars yesterday and in so doing handing them the lead for the first overall pick whilst dropping down to the 4th spot?
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dplank wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:24 pm Ravens should’ve taken the extra point IMO
Yeah I was screaming at the TV about that one.
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That's the second time this weekend when an NFL coach mis-used stats to just basically do what he wanted to do in the first place. Harbaugh was hiding behind the analytics in saying going for it had better odds than winning in OT (which is preposterous). But he wasn't using analytics - he was just trying to be a tough guy and "go for it to win the game"). Boo.

And with Harbaugh it was especially egregious when he didn't at least have the brains to go for it after the previous TD. Someone needs to tell him brains and wins are more impressive than gutty losses.
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Ormazd wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am The motherfucking Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

The only joy I've gotten from the NFL the last 10 years has been watching them get eliminated.

Sure, Rodgers owns the Bears. But, he didn't own Kaepernick running wild, the Seahawks coming back from 0-16 in the last 2 minutes, or the GOAT last year.

The league is filled with bumblefuckery this year and, as much as it pains me to say it, Packers look like they'll be the ones to survive.

Please let me be wrong.
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Ormazd wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:59 am
Ormazd wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am The motherfucking Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

The only joy I've gotten from the NFL the last 10 years has been watching them get eliminated.

Sure, Rodgers owns the Bears. But, he didn't own Kaepernick running wild, the Seahawks coming back from 0-16 in the last 2 minutes, or the GOAT last year.

The league is filled with bumblefuckery this year and, as much as it pains me to say it, Packers look like they'll be the ones to survive.

Please let me be wrong.
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Ormazd wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am The motherfucking Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

The only joy I've gotten from the NFL the last 10 years has been watching them get eliminated.

Sure, Rodgers owns the Bears. But, he didn't own Kaepernick running wild, the Seahawks coming back from 0-16 in the last 2 minutes, or the GOAT last year.

The league is filled with bumblefuckery this year and, as much as it pains me to say it, Packers look like they'll be the ones to survive.

Please let me be wrong.
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Can you predict that the Bears will suck next year (you know that opposite thing yout going right now).
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