Week 15 // Chicago Bears (4-9) vs. Minnesota Vikings (6-7)

BearsFanInMN · Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:10 am

I will say starting to think Desai might be good. Had almost no one on D besides Hicks and Smith and they played their asses off.

O sucks with Nagy, Lazor, or Flip.

Otis Day · Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:14 am

At the same time, Graham showed he has some skills and spunk, why has Desai not seen that. Why has Desai thought Vildor and Christian were better?

The Marshall Plan · Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:03 am

Otis Day wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:14 am At the same time, Graham showed he has some skills and spunk, why has Desai not seen that. Why has Desai thought Vildor and Christian were better?

I don't know.

Maybe if Desai had a background in coaching secondaries he would've noticed this? Oh wait....

Ormazd · Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:15 am

That game was like a shitshow and a dumpster fire had a baby.

All three teams were laughably bad.

I will give credit to the "Who's that guy?" Bears defensive backfield. They did what they could, and much better than anyone could have expected.

Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:54 am

Otis Day wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:14 am At the same time, Graham showed he has some skills and spunk, why has Desai not seen that. Why has Desai thought Vildor and Christian were better?

Desai doesn't have control over the roster. It's not like he can activate the dude from the PS.

IE · Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:17 am

wab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:54 am
Otis Day wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:14 am At the same time, Graham showed he has some skills and spunk, why has Desai not seen that. Why has Desai thought Vildor and Christian were better?
Desai doesn't have control over the roster. It's not like he can activate the dude from the PS.

He can't say "I want that guy to play"? Honestly I did not know that the DC didn't have some say in who suits up for games. I would think if he pounded the table for a guy or even just made a request because I guy was looking good to him, he'd be listened to.

I don't know if it is true or not what TMP said - does Desai have no experience with defensive back coaching? If he doesn't, well that certainly might explain some things & maybe we should reserve judgement on the Bear DBs until they shitcan Desai along with Nagy (RIP).

Boris13c · Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:29 am

Ormazd wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:15 am That game was like a shitshow and a dumpster fire had a baby.

that is a perfect summation of events

Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:30 am

IE wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:17 am
wab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:54 am
Desai doesn't have control over the roster. It's not like he can activate the dude from the PS.
He can't say "I want that guy to play"? Honestly I did not know that the DC didn't have some say in who suits up for games. I would think if he pounded the table for a guy or even just made a request because I guy was looking good to him, he'd be listened to.

I don't know if it is true or not what TMP said - does Desai have no experience with defensive back coaching? If he doesn't, well that certainly might explain some things & maybe we should reserve judgement on the Bear DBs until they shitcan Desai along with Nagy (RIP).

Desai was the DB coach before being promoted to DC...

Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:17 am

As the guys in the chat can attest, I watched only to see Thomas Graham.

IE · Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:25 am

wab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:30 am
IE wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:17 am

He can't say "I want that guy to play"? Honestly I did not know that the DC didn't have some say in who suits up for games. I would think if he pounded the table for a guy or even just made a request because I guy was looking good to him, he'd be listened to.

I don't know if it is true or not what TMP said - does Desai have no experience with defensive back coaching? If he doesn't, well that certainly might explain some things & maybe we should reserve judgement on the Bear DBs until they shitcan Desai along with Nagy (RIP).
Desai was the DB coach before being promoted to DC...

OK I was maybe misremembering. LOL So he's just maybe not a great coach. Maybe he's like a Nagy (RIP)... a schemer and strategist but not a tactician or capable of quickly adjusting.

Anyway... I don't think there is anything about Desai's defense that looks special or attributable to him. Quinn going off this year? Ogle playing well? I don't know... maybe.

Graham being dry-docked all season is a conspicuous mistake by someone. Is it Desai or Nagy or Pace?

Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:31 am

IE wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:25 am
wab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:30 am

Desai was the DB coach before being promoted to DC...
OK I was maybe misremembering. LOL So he's just maybe not a great coach. Maybe he's like a Nagy (RIP)... a schemer and strategist but not a tactician or capable of quickly adjusting.

Anyway... I don't think there is anything about Desai's defense that looks special or attributable to him. Quinn going off this year? Ogle playing well? I don't know... maybe.

Graham being dry-docked all season is a conspicuous mistake by someone. Is it Desai or Nagy or Pace?

I think the Graham decision comes down to Nagy. I'm sure Desai has say, but it's ultimately the HC that makes the call on the gameday roster.

Z Bear · Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:31 am

It is Pace's job to put the roster together and Nagy's decision on who plays with input from his position coaches. So Nagy and Desai are to blame for Graham sitting on the PS all year while every other CB opposite JJohnson has struggled. Would not be surprised at all if he goes back to the PS and gets picked up by another team with these ass clowns running the show. He should be promoted to the active roster ASAP and should be starting with Vildor/Shelly battling out for the slot.

Grizzled · Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:00 pm

Graham is just another example of mismanagement of the roster. Why, with the absolute inadequacies of the secondary didn't the coaches at least try all available players to staunch the bleeding? And the TD pass to Horsted is just another. The guy just catches the ball, why hasn't he been used more? Too frustrating.

crueltyabc · Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:31 pm

People should watch Thomas Graham Jr's presser:

https://www.chicagobears.com/video/thom ... conference

He talks a lot about working with individuals on his techniques, and you can tell from his description of the game that he's well-coached and well-studied in terms of watching tape and knowing tendencies.

AZ_Bearfan · Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:39 pm

Even after landing Fields and Jenkins, my favorite part of the draft was Graham taking the call from Nagy when we drafted him.

IE · Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:48 pm

AZ_Bearfan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:39 pm Even after landing Fields and Jenkins, my favorite part of the draft was Graham taking the call from Nagy when we drafted him.

Welcome to the practice squad, kid. You bide your time whilst I play lesser veterans because that's how I roll. Congrats!

Ditka’s dictaphone · Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:57 pm

Ormazd wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:15 am That game was like a shitshow and a dumpster fire had a baby.

Perfect

southdakbearfan · Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:13 pm

Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:57 pm
Ormazd wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:15 am That game was like a shitshow and a dumpster fire had a baby.
Perfect

So a slow burning shit in a steel bucket? I can buy it.

GSH · Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:29 pm

crueltyabc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:31 pm People should watch Thomas Graham Jr's presser:

https://www.chicagobears.com/video/thom ... conference

He talks a lot about working with individuals on his techniques, and you can tell from his description of the game that he's well-coached and well-studied in terms of watching tape and knowing tendencies.

he also says he was awful in camp and pre-season and deserved to get cut and its the way the coaches and other DB's didnt give up on him and coached him up to where he is today. Credit where its due, he didnt play before because he hadnt shown anything to prove his real abilities, he took his shot last night and it paid off. Sounds like a good team effort from all in the org as well as Graham.

AZ_Bearfan · Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:31 pm

"What were your emotions like when you were cut?"

"I was butthurt."

That was great.

malk · Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:59 am

Yikes.

Feel kind of bad for Desai, really wasn't put in a position to succeed. Yes you have to coach through adversity but when you've got glaring, easily targetable holes in the starting 11 going into game 1 there's only so much you can scheme around. Depending on who the head coach ends up being I wouldn't mind him sticking around to see what he can develop if we can at least make sure there's a replacement level player at every spot at the start of next year.

Admittedly we didn't generate a lot of turnovers but that isn't surprising with the red sea secondary.

Anyway, back to the game. Yikes.

Middleguard · Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:49 pm

Scores for game 14 predictions:
62 Bears Whiskey Nut
122 otis
158 Otis Day
168 Hema2.0
186 WagonForce
222 mmmc_35
266 wulfy
294 spudbear
302 Grizzled
314 Mikefive
326 LacertineForest
362 The Marshall Plan
366 GSH
384 HisRoyalSweetness
434 dplank
450 Ditka's dictaphone
486 Middleguard / Boris13c
494 southdakbearfan
504 UOK
536 pus
614 wab / crueltyabc
674 Moriarty
726 HurricaneBear
950 AZ_Bearfan
968 Arkansasbear
1082 RichH55
1106 Ormazd
1736 IE
1824 Artbest

Duplicate predictions:
168 G08
494 Atkins&Rebel

Ditka’s dictaphone · Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:32 pm

How am I doing in terms of ranking Middleguard?

Cheers