Urban Meyer launched

[Otis Day]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/urba ... 9j7NiOTd2M

NO surprise here. Jags getting a jump on the head coach carousel.

[The Marshall Plan]

Allegedly kicking a player should've resulted in immediate termination months ago.

Some college will be desperate and / or dumb enough to hire him, but assaulting somebody has to blacklist him I would hope.

[Moriarty]

The firing ends a tumultuous run for Meyer, who was mired in several controversies during his short time in Jacksonville. The move by the team comes less than 12 hours after former Jags kicker Josh Lambo made an accusation that Meyer once kicked him during a team practice.

"I'm in a lunge position. Left leg forward, right leg back," Lambo told The Tampa Bay Times. "While I'm in that stretch position, [Meyer] comes up to me and says, 'Hey Dips--t, make your f--king kicks!' And kicks me in the leg."

After being kicked, Lambo said that he responded by telling Meyer "Don't you ever f---ing kick me again" and Meyer responded to that by telling his former kicker, "I'm the head ball coach. I'll kick you whenever the f--- I want."

What an asshole

[Moriarty]

Also - the Jags are ready to restaff themselves, even though they had to eat a lot of Meyer's salary here.


The Bears? Sitting around asking each other "Do you think we need to make any changes besides Nagy? I don't know, do you? I think we're close. I like our culture."

[Otis Day]

Allegedly kicking a player should've resulted in immediate termination months ago.

Some college will be desperate and / or dumb enough to hire him, but assaulting somebody has to blacklist him I would hope.

Bobby Petrino is still working. Bruce Pearl is still working.

If someone thinks he can bring them a winner, they will hire him and not give a shit about what happened in JAX.

It is all about Ws and $$.

[dplank]

Seems a bit weak IMO. I mean cmon people it’s not like he punched him in the face or something.

I got mouthy with my wrestling coach in HS once and he took my ass down hard (as I deserved).

I hate Urban and all, but this seems like an excuse to get him out and if he was winning would be over looked.

[southdakbearfan]

Who would have thought that hire was ever going to end well.

[The Marshall Plan]

Seems a bit weak IMO. I mean cmon people it’s not like he punched him in the face or something.

I got mouthy with my wrestling coach in HS once and he took my ass down hard (as I deserved).

I hate Urban and all, but this seems like an excuse to get him out and if he was winning would be over looked.

I have a deep nostalgic fondness for old school coaches. My favorite CEO that I ever worked for had the personality of a total asshole and when he screamed you could hear him everywhere. Even when they sound proofed his office (Yes I'm serious.) you could hear him on occasion. Yet the guy was a winner and I LOVED working for him because I knew we'd be successful. I didn't care about the screaming because I wanted to win.

However, there's a fine line when it comes to legal liability. It's all fun and games until the kicker shows up with a $100M lawsuit.

[UOK]

Seems a bit weak IMO. I mean cmon people it’s not like he punched him in the face or something.

I got mouthy with my wrestling coach in HS once and he took my ass down hard (as I deserved).

I hate Urban and all, but this seems like an excuse to get him out and if he was winning would be over looked.

Can't do that shit today, just can't. Call it "soft" or whatever you want, people in positions of authority can't physically or emotionally assault their students, players, etc., at any level with impunity.

Urban Meyer has probably gotten away with all of these "quirks" (aka, hallmarks of being a piece of shit) for years because they won some titles and in college you can basically be a god emperor if you make their football program billions. There's lots of kids chasing dreams going to play for the Floridas and Ohio States of the NCAAFB landscape, and they'll tolerate getting abused and degraded because they don't want to compromise their degree, their playing time, or their opportunities. In the NFL, not the same world. If a player, even a lowly one like Lambo, is mistreated, they don't owe that coach a goddamn thing, especially one that's in their first year coaching an unheralded franchise like Jacksonville.

But don't be fooled - Meyer wasn't fired for kicking Lambo. He was fired for being 2-11, for their #1 overall pick franchise QB saying what a dramatic shitshow his NFL experience has been, for not flying home with the team after a loss so he could feel up some girl who was definitely not his wife at his restaurant, for being Nixonian with his "we'll find the leakers and fire them" circus, and for telling his coaching staff that they were all garbage pieces of football shit.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Has there ever been a bigger douchebag than Urban Meyer?? The reports that are coming out of Jacksonville are almost too ridiculous to believe. What a dick.

[UOK]

Has there ever been a bigger douchebag than Urban Meyer?? The reports that are coming out of Jacksonville are almost too ridiculous to believe. What a dick.

I can't remember the guy's name, but in the 70's the Rams fired a coach after two preseason games because his players hated the shit out of him.

[Arkansasbear]

I think the Jags job could have some appeal. They do have several good pieces in place (namely the QB spot) and should have the number 2 pick in the draft. Not sure how the "big board" will shake out, but that is a spot they could maybe get a king's ransom for from a QB needy team.

Back to Meyers, glad he is out of the NFL, I've always hated that turd.

Regarding the kicking of the kicker, I need a bit more detail. Was it a kick as in how a kicker would kick football or was it a slight tap?

[UOK]

I think the Jags job could have some appeal. They do have several good pieces in place (namely the QB spot) and should have the number 2 pick in the draft. Not sure how the "big board" will shake out, but that is a spot they could maybe get a king's ransom for from a QB needy team.

Back to Meyers, glad he is out of the NFL, I've always hated that turd.

Regarding the kicking of the kicker, I need a bit more detail. Was it a kick as in how a kicker would kick football or was it a slight tap?

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/20 ... g-warmups/

All subjective, of course, but here's what Lambo says:

Josh Lambo was off to a slow start. The Jaguars kicker missed a field-goal attempt in each of the first two preseason games.

But the fourth-most-accurate placekicker in NFL history wasn’t worried as he stretched with teammates at a practice during the week before the final exhibition game against the Cowboys in August.

Then Lambo was approached by head coach Urban Meyer, who wasn’t calling Jaguars specialists by their names.

“It was ‘Kicker, Punter, Long snapper,’ ” Lambo said. “Or S--tbag, Dips--t or whatever the hell it was.”

The names didn’t bother Lambo, but what the former Florida Gators coach did next, Lambo said, were the actions of a mean-spirited bully.

“I’m in a lunge position. Left leg forward, right leg back,” Lambo said. “Urban Meyer, while I’m in that stretch position, comes up to me and says, ‘Hey Dips--t, make your f--king kicks!’ And kicks me in the leg.”

Lambo spoke for the first time publicly about what he said happened to him in an interview with the Tampa Bay Times.

Hours after the story went viral Wednesday, the Jaguars fired Meyer, ending his tumultuous NFL tenure after 13 games.

Of the kick, Lambo said, “It certainly wasn’t as hard as he could’ve done it (kicked), but it certainly wasn’t a love tap. Truthfully, I’d register it as a five (out of 10). Which in the workplace, I don’t care if it’s football or not, the boss can’t strike an employee. And for a second, I couldn’t believe it actually happened. Pardon my vulgarity, I said, ‘Don’t you ever f- king kick me again!’ And his response was, ‘I’m the head ball coach, I’ll kick you whenever the f--k I want.’ "

[UOK]

I think the Jags job could have some appeal. They do have several good pieces in place (namely the QB spot) and should have the number 2 pick in the draft. Not sure how the "big board" will shake out, but that is a spot they could maybe get a king's ransom for from a QB needy team.

Back to Meyers, glad he is out of the NFL, I've always hated that turd.

Regarding the kicking of the kicker, I need a bit more detail. Was it a kick as in how a kicker would kick football or was it a slight tap?

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/20 ... g-warmups/

All subjective, of course, but here's what Lambo says:

Josh Lambo was off to a slow start. The Jaguars kicker missed a field-goal attempt in each of the first two preseason games.

But the fourth-most-accurate placekicker in NFL history wasn’t worried as he stretched with teammates at a practice during the week before the final exhibition game against the Cowboys in August.

Then Lambo was approached by head coach Urban Meyer, who wasn’t calling Jaguars specialists by their names.

“It was ‘Kicker, Punter, Long snapper,’ ” Lambo said. “Or S--tbag, Dips--t or whatever the hell it was.”

The names didn’t bother Lambo, but what the former Florida Gators coach did next, Lambo said, were the actions of a mean-spirited bully.

“I’m in a lunge position. Left leg forward, right leg back,” Lambo said. “Urban Meyer, while I’m in that stretch position, comes up to me and says, ‘Hey Dips--t, make your f--king kicks!’ And kicks me in the leg.”

Lambo spoke for the first time publicly about what he said happened to him in an interview with the Tampa Bay Times.

Hours after the story went viral Wednesday, the Jaguars fired Meyer, ending his tumultuous NFL tenure after 13 games.

Of the kick, Lambo said, “It certainly wasn’t as hard as he could’ve done it (kicked), but it certainly wasn’t a love tap. Truthfully, I’d register it as a five (out of 10). Which in the workplace, I don’t care if it’s football or not, the boss can’t strike an employee. And for a second, I couldn’t believe it actually happened. Pardon my vulgarity, I said, ‘Don’t you ever f- king kick me again!’ And his response was, ‘I’m the head ball coach, I’ll kick you whenever the f--k I want.’ "

[dplank]

Seems a bit weak IMO. I mean cmon people it’s not like he punched him in the face or something.

I got mouthy with my wrestling coach in HS once and he took my ass down hard (as I deserved).

I hate Urban and all, but this seems like an excuse to get him out and if he was winning would be over looked.

Can't do that shit today, just can't. Call it "soft" or whatever you want, people in positions of authority can't physically or emotionally assault their students, players, etc., at any level with impunity.

Urban Meyer has probably gotten away with all of these "quirks" (aka, hallmarks of being a piece of shit) for years because they won some titles and in college you can basically be a god emperor if you make their football program billions. There's lots of kids chasing dreams going to play for the Floridas and Ohio States of the NCAAFB landscape, and they'll tolerate getting abused and degraded because they don't want to compromise their degree, their playing time, or their opportunities. In the NFL, not the same world. If a player, even a lowly one like Lambo, is mistreated, they don't owe that coach a goddamn thing, especially one that's in their first year coaching an unheralded franchise like Jacksonville.

But don't be fooled - Meyer wasn't fired for kicking Lambo. He was fired for being 2-11, for their #1 overall pick franchise QB saying what a dramatic shitshow his NFL experience has been, for not flying home with the team after a loss so he could feel up some girl who was definitely not his wife at his restaurant, for being Nixonian with his "we'll find the leakers and fire them" circus, and for telling his coaching staff that they were all garbage pieces of football shit.

Yea agree completely, if they were 11-2 instead of 2-11, he's not getting fired. And the power dynamic in college is just fundamentally different than the NFL, not all coaches can operate or deal with players as equals instead of how kings treat peasants. You have to be much more clever to motivate NFL players, guys like Bill Parcells, Darth Vaderchick, and even Vic Fangio are really good at it - it's an art. NBA is same, Phil Jackson was as much a basketball coach as he was an expert at handling the giant personalities he coached, from Jordan, Pippen to Kobe, Shaq.

[The Cooler King]

While obviously he wasn't fired directly for the Lambo incident its pretty indicative of the reasons why Jags are 2-11 and the org is such a shit storm. Although it's one of many examples. Supposedly rumblings that almost the entire coaching staff was ready to walk at year end with many already lining up their next jobs.

Although depending on what happened with the Lambo thing before as far as being reported, wouldnf be surprised is that's used for his firing as cause to get out of the contract.

[Z Bear]

Kids these days are a different breed, that is why always positive guys like Nagy gets jobs. Anytime you are hard on one they cry and quit, we have had several new hires do this over the last year when we simply have performance verbal warnings with them. It is insane how soft each generation keeps getting.

[UOK]

Kids these days are a different breed, that is why always positive guys like Nagy gets jobs. Anytime you are hard on one they cry and quit, we have had several new hires do this over the last year when we simply have performance verbal warnings with them. It is insane how soft each generation keeps getting.

Let's not get into some philosophical debate here over generational integrity. No one wins.

[Grizzled]

The Jags and the Bears, 2 of the NFL's worst run franchises. Will the Bears pull their heads out of their butts, fire Nagy, and also begin interviewing in 2 weeks like the Jags? Doubt it.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

I don’t think this guy has any defence.

Whether the player was tough as Fields or as soft as shit there is no excuse.

Physically abusing someone just highlights his inability to “coach” a player. If you have to resort to violence, whatever the level, you’re not a great coach.

[o-pus #40 in B major]

I can imagine the fireworks if Urban kicked Robby like that.

[wab]

Seems a bit weak IMO. I mean cmon people it’s not like he punched him in the face or something.

I got mouthy with my wrestling coach in HS once and he took my ass down hard (as I deserved).

I hate Urban and all, but this seems like an excuse to get him out and if he was winning would be over looked.

My linebackers coach in college grabbed me by the facemask and yanked me down because I missed a tackle that a pop warner kid would've made. I didn't miss many more of those tackles.

[IE]

Ah yes - the good old days, when adults didn't have to control themselves & could go way over the line and abuse kids and not be held accountable for it...with it spun as "harmless", "discipline" or "a misunderstanding" if they ever did get caught or called out. And always in the name of teaching them a lesson as if being abused is a normal part of learning or growing up. And with the abused oftentimes being ostracized instead of the abuser.

Good times.

Fuck Urban Meyer.

[wab]

Ah yes - the good old days, when adults didn't have to control themselves & could go way over the line and abuse kids and not be held accountable for it...with it spun as "harmless", "discipline" or "a misunderstanding" if they ever did get caught or called out. And always in the name of teaching them a lesson as if being abused is a normal part of learning or growing up. And with the abused oftentimes being ostracized instead of the abuser.

Good times.

Fuck Urban Meyer.

I wasn't defending Meyer. So...

[LacertineForest]

Seems a bit weak IMO. I mean cmon people it’s not like he punched him in the face or something.

I got mouthy with my wrestling coach in HS once and he took my ass down hard (as I deserved).

I hate Urban and all, but this seems like an excuse to get him out and if he was winning would be over looked.

Can't do that shit today, just can't. Call it "soft" or whatever you want, people in positions of authority can't physically or emotionally assault their students, players, etc., at any level with impunity.

Urban Meyer has probably gotten away with all of these "quirks" (aka, hallmarks of being a piece of shit) for years because they won some titles and in college you can basically be a god emperor if you make their football program billions. There's lots of kids chasing dreams going to play for the Floridas and Ohio States of the NCAAFB landscape, and they'll tolerate getting abused and degraded because they don't want to compromise their degree, their playing time, or their opportunities. In the NFL, not the same world. If a player, even a lowly one like Lambo, is mistreated, they don't owe that coach a goddamn thing, especially one that's in their first year coaching an unheralded franchise like Jacksonville.

But don't be fooled - Meyer wasn't fired for kicking Lambo. He was fired for being 2-11, for their #1 overall pick franchise QB saying what a dramatic shitshow his NFL experience has been, for not flying home with the team after a loss so he could feel up some girl who was definitely not his wife at his restaurant, for being Nixonian with his "we'll find the leakers and fire them" circus, and for telling his coaching staff that they were all garbage pieces of football shit.

This 100%. The kicking the player report/incident was just the final excuse they needed, and I'm sure some lawyers told Jax ownership that they could successfully argue in court that they fired him for cause and not have to pay a significant portion of his contract.

[IE]

Ah yes - the good old days, when adults didn't have to control themselves & could go way over the line and abuse kids and not be held accountable for it...with it spun as "harmless", "discipline" or "a misunderstanding" if they ever did get caught or called out. And always in the name of teaching them a lesson as if being abused is a normal part of learning or growing up. And with the abused oftentimes being ostracized instead of the abuser.

Good times.

Fuck Urban Meyer.

I wasn't defending Meyer. So...

Wasn't saying you were. Just post timing.

[wab]

I wasn't defending Meyer. So...

Wasn't saying you were. Just post timing.

Gotcha. My bad.

Also...yes, fuck Meyer.

[thunderspirit]

Ah yes - the good old days, when adults didn't have to control themselves & could go way over the line and abuse kids and not be held accountable for it...with it spun as "harmless", "discipline" or "a misunderstanding" if they ever did get caught or called out. And always in the name of teaching them a lesson as if being abused is a normal part of learning or growing up. And with the abused oftentimes being ostracized instead of the abuser.

Good times.

Fuck Urban Meyer.

Cosigned.

[The Cooler King]

It makes sense if that's Urban's leadership technique why it worked in college. The same naive population that will allow themselves to get hazed to join an org. Add in team factor and NFL dreams and they just put up with it. Urban was probably just like their big fraternity bro. Thank you sir may I have another.

[Arkansasbear]

Thanks for the update on the degree of kicking. Yeah a 5 of 10 is crap he shouldn't do.

I don't have a problem with coaches yelling, screaming, grabbing a face mask (not jerking but grabbing it while screaming). Name calling is a close call (of course certain things, like racial slurs, are out of bounds and I'm not talking about those). In my late 20s, early 30s I played for a local semi-pro team and our secondary coach was a dumba$$ (we disliked each other in college in the late 80s and it continue to today). He was constantly saying stupid crap like - "your smart enough for law school but way to dumb to be covering in a zone." Granted I didn't help things as I was a smarta$$ (did I say "was"? that should be "am" I guess). One day he's going off on me for I don't remember what and uses the old saying "there is no 'i" in 'team.'" So I shot back with "but there is in 'win'"! Which drew some laughs from other guys that also couldn't stand him.

A guy can be old school and that's fine. The can get up to the line but they simply can't cross crosses it. But they need to realize that doesn't work with every player. Everyone will respond differently. Just think of Petey from Remember the Titans. When coach Boone got all up in his a$$ he went into a shell and was bench from running back. But when coach Yoast approached him differently he thrived at LB.

Back to Meyers. He's still a a$$hat and I'm glad he's gone.