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He had a lot of first round hits, but a lot of his later round stuff was nothing to write home about. Not a lot of value in there.
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:23 am He had a lot of first round hits, but a lot of his later round stuff was nothing to write home about. Not a lot of value in there.
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Bears requested an interview with Steelers VP Omar Khan:

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Khan has a pretty solid resume... 20 something years with the Steelers.
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G08 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:32 pm He left the Texans to be with his wife, who eventually succumbed to cancer. Sad story.

That being said, after reading this article I feel like he might have kind of, sort of, turned into a bit of a weirdo:

https://theathletic.com/1596742/2020/02 ... -his-life/
We must've read different articles, because it felt to me like he'd simply become more introspective.

And I wholeheartedly agree with him when he says "There is a holistic approach to player development we are missing.”
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Smith is in my top 5 for sure
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G08 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:07 am
thunderspirit wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:03 am

Losing a spouse like that will change people. I know it would change me. Dunno if that makes him weird, or would make weird(er), to be fair.

His expressed philosophy on onboarding rookies is an interesting one, though.
No I get it but I will be honest in just reading how he spoke and his philosophies etc, it came off as a touch eccentric. I am saying this as a selfish, piece of shit Bears fan and not as a regular human being.
“You don’t go through the experience I just went through and come out on the other side the same,” he says. “It’s a transformational experience. My thought process, my self-awareness, all is exponentially better. I have a new perspective on almost everything, and it enhances all the skills I had before. I have a more global perspective. I have a richer view of life that will enhance whatever I do.”

That includes how he parents, how he takes care of himself, and maybe, how he will run a football team.

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“We spend so much time, resources, energy, attention on draft evaluation,” he says. “We have huge dossiers on these players, where they are from, how they learn, personal lives, social skill set, scores, their history, everything. After the draft, all that information about that player we learned doesn’t get integrated into his onboarding. I think that’s a mistake. You can onboard players and utilize all that information to put a plan together that gives them a chance to give them a better chance to be a better man, better member of the organization, and a better football player. There is a holistic approach to player development we are missing.”
Again, as a selfish, piece of shit Bears fan I don't need "a better man, better member of the organization". I want to fucking win and that means make them the best possible player on the field. We already tried the "everyone hold hands in the shower and sing kumbaya" with Trestman and it failed miserably.
I think you're misreading/over-reading it mostly. How you handle player development outside the gridiron doesn't have to impact the way you play the game between the hashes.

I'll use an analogy.

I think everyone knows the story about Richard Dent. Coming out of college he was not the weight he needed to be to be successful. Someone at the Bears found out he had issues with his teeth that were related to his issues putting on weight as his teeth always hurt. They fixed it. He put on weight. He's a HOF.

Now today's athletes are as physically well cared for coming in then they ever have been. While I'm sure there are still physical development edges to be gained, if no one else truely is focused on whole development, you potentially gain a competitive edge to perhaps pursue guys with mental/emotional issues other teams red flag. Or even for guys with no obvious red flags, your whole development may drive their physical development.

To me it really trends well with my issues in that everyone is so hyperfocused on talent acquisition. Let's pull up their draft history. Let's see how they signed in FA. All that stuff. If I have a A+ talent evaluator who is a D and F in all aspects, I will fail. This GM hire is bigger than a talent scout. I have zero doubt there's plenty of brilliant talent eyes already in the building. The key is unlocking the complete picture.
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:01 am
G08 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:32 pm He left the Texans to be with his wife, who eventually succumbed to cancer. Sad story.

That being said, after reading this article I feel like he might have kind of, sort of, turned into a bit of a weirdo:

https://theathletic.com/1596742/2020/02 ... -his-life/
We must've read different articles, because it felt to me like he'd simply become more introspective.

And I wholeheartedly agree with him when he says "There is a holistic approach to player development we are missing.”
Don't get me wrong, I like him, but I am getting a weird "kumbaya" vibe from that article.
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The Cooler King wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:37 am
G08 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:07 am

No I get it but I will be honest in just reading how he spoke and his philosophies etc, it came off as a touch eccentric. I am saying this as a selfish, piece of shit Bears fan and not as a regular human being.



Again, as a selfish, piece of shit Bears fan I don't need "a better man, better member of the organization". I want to fucking win and that means make them the best possible player on the field. We already tried the "everyone hold hands in the shower and sing kumbaya" with Trestman and it failed miserably.
I think you're misreading/over-reading it mostly. How you handle player development outside the gridiron doesn't have to impact the way you play the game between the hashes.

I'll use an analogy.

I think everyone knows the story about Richard Dent. Coming out of college he was not the weight he needed to be to be successful. Someone at the Bears found out he had issues with his teeth that were related to his issues putting on weight as his teeth always hurt. They fixed it. He put on weight. He's a HOF.

Now today's athletes are as physically well cared for coming in then they ever have been. While I'm sure there are still physical development edges to be gained, if no one else truely is focused on whole development, you potentially gain a competitive edge to perhaps pursue guys with mental/emotional issues other teams red flag. Or even for guys with no obvious red flags, your whole development may drive their physical development.

To me it really trends well with my issues in that everyone is so hyperfocused on talent acquisition. Let's pull up their draft history. Let's see how they signed in FA. All that stuff. If I have a A+ talent evaluator who is a D and F in all aspects, I will fail. This GM hire is bigger than a talent scout. I have zero doubt there's plenty of brilliant talent eyes already in the building. The key is unlocking the complete picture.
I guess this is where my "selfish, piece of shit Bears fan" comment comes into play. I don't care if they're good people, I want the best football player on the field period. If he's nuts, if he kicks puppies (personally I'd rip his head off for that), I don't care. In my football world, I'll put winning above everything (it's gross. I know.)

Now, if there is some evidence that this holistic approach does create a better product/player on the field, then I'm all for it. I'm just not sure how that would supersede weight lifting, watching tape etc etc.
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dplank wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:23 pm Can Bill Pollian hire himself?
Papa Bear did that a few times... didn't like the other options. LOL
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:31 am Are the Bears....doing...a......a......a good job?

That's encouraging. I've heard good things about most of the people on the list. Just don't know enough about them.
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Because players aren't robots? They're humans with multi faceted needs and the investment is trivial in the grand scheme of things. It isn't a detraction of other areas.

You're putting your own kumbaya biases into this I think. It's about finding competitive edges, not pushing an agenda. Whether it's proven? Well no, probably not proven. Probably anecdotal reliant at this stage. But if there are proven areas the Bears aren't gonna gain an edge there. The Bears need to find a competetive edge, even if that means exploring untapped and unproven areas.

The key is to be an analytically driven organization that can try something and tests its impact. Its the Rams putting fitness trackers on everyone and figuring out that "oh rest days help". It's not pushing an agenda.

Going back to the article, teams already do a treasure trove of interpersonal type research about players. They just aren't even really attempting to use all that data, according to Smith. That is so terribly inefficient to his point in thst article.
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:31 am Are the Bears....doing...a......a......a good job?

Ted's not out. The new GM will be a defacto Pres. of Football Ops also answering to George. He should be an actual president to be the same level as Ted but it doesn't look like that's happening. Not the best situation but maybe it will work. Polian's been out of the game for 4 years but still keeps up with it and is the one who hired some of the best GMs and HCs to ever work. George relying on him is better than George and Ted doing it on their own. Yeah, Ted will be in on the GM interviews but I'm assuming his questions will be financial related. They haven't stumbled yet, just moving slow and steady at this time.
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IE wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:55 am
wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:31 am Are the Bears....doing...a......a......a good job?

That's encouraging. I've heard good things about most of the people on the list. Just don't know enough about them.
They’ve had good candidates in the building before though. The issue is they tend to select the wrong people over the good ones.

I’m curious if all of them will agree to interviews. Last time George Patton and Eric DeCasta declined interviews with the Bears.

Add Eliot Wolf to the list:
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The Cooler King wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:03 am Because players aren't robots? They're humans with multi faceted needs and the investment is trivial in the grand scheme of things. It isn't a detraction of other areas.

You're putting your own kumbaya biases into this I think. It's about finding competitive edges, not pushing an agenda. Whether it's proven? Well no, probably not proven. Probably anecdotal reliant at this stage. But if there are proven areas the Bears aren't gonna gain an edge there. The Bears need to find a competetive edge, even if that means exploring untapped and unproven areas.

The key is to be an analytically driven organization that can try something and tests its impact. Its the Rams putting fitness trackers on everyone and figuring out that "oh rest days help". It's not pushing an agenda.

Going back to the article, teams already do a treasure trove of interpersonal type research about players. They just aren't even really attempting to use all that data, according to Smith. That is so terribly inefficient to his point in thst article.
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Actually, it appears that the new GM will be at the same level in the Bears' hierarchy as Ted - with both reporting to the Chairman. This is a HUGE change in the Bears approach - something that was lost in George's train wreck press conference. This doesn't mean it will work, but it's the first major structural shift since Ted went away from both the HC and head of player personnel reporting to him when he hired Jerry Angelo, the Bears 1st GM since Jerry Vainisi.

As for how the Bears are moving, they appear to be moving faster, more aggressively on GM interviews than any other franchise. This can be good or bad, but literally every top candidate is on the Bears' list. The key IMO is settling on their GM SOON.


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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:31 am Are the Bears....doing...a......a......a good job?

Ted's not out. The new GM will be a defacto Pres. of Football Ops also answering to George. He should be an actual president to be the same level as Ted but it doesn't look like that's happening. Not the best situation but maybe it will work. Polian's been out of the game for 4 years but still keeps up with it and is the one who hired some of the best GMs and HCs to ever work. George relying on him is better than George and Ted doing it on their own. Yeah, Ted will be in on the GM interviews but I'm assuming his questions will be financial related. They haven't stumbled yet, just moving slow and steady at this time.
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FWIW, The Athletic reports that the feeling around the NFL is the Bears are closer than people think (and if you aren't paying a buck a month for the Athletic, you are missing out).

https://theathletic.com/3064702/2022/01 ... ed_article
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:27 am FWIW, The Athletic reports that the feeling around the NFL is the Bears are closer than people think (and if you aren't paying a buck a month for the Athletic, you are missing out).

https://theathletic.com/3064702/2022/01 ... ed_article
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Pompei has a good article on the Bears finding (or reacquiring) their identify.
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For a team like the Bears, the truth is that identity shouldn’t be created by a general manager or a head coach. It should be organizational, and it should not be limited to an era.

The identity models are the Steelers and Ravens. The faces in those organizations change, the times change, the rules change, but the teams look the same, and they play the game the same way.
He goes to make the case for Bill Polian. It doesn't matter how old he is or long he has been out of the game, what matters is a demonstrated ability to know what to look for:
Retaining Polian as an adviser does not mean Polian should be telling Bears chairman George McCaskey who to hire. It means he is telling him how to hire.
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G08 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:49 am
I guess this is where my "selfish, piece of shit Bears fan" comment comes into play. I don't care if they're good people, I want the best football player on the field period. If he's nuts, if he kicks puppies (personally I'd rip his head off for that), I don't care. In my football world, I'll put winning above everything (it's gross. I know.)

Now, if there is some evidence that this holistic approach does create a better product/player on the field, then I'm all for it. I'm just not sure how that would supersede weight lifting, watching tape etc etc.
In the first place: we are both interested in the Bears winning. Bill Belichick is a grade A jerkoff but it doesn't mean I wouldn't want him as coach of the Bears. (Some bridges I won't ever cross, but being an asshole, generally speaking, isn't one of them.)

In the second, I don't see any indication wanting a holistic approach supersedes weight training and film study. I read it as in addition to, not in place of.
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 pm
wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:27 am FWIW, The Athletic reports that the feeling around the NFL is the Bears are closer than people think (and if you aren't paying a buck a month for the Athletic, you are missing out).

https://theathletic.com/3064702/2022/01 ... ed_article
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 pm
wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:27 am FWIW, The Athletic reports that the feeling around the NFL is the Bears are closer than people think (and if you aren't paying a buck a month for the Athletic, you are missing out).

https://theathletic.com/3064702/2022/01 ... ed_article
It asks me to pay $4/mo, is there a special offer somewhere? And that's only if I buy the whole year, and it auto renews and doubles in price next year.
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Just signed up for $48 the first year, goes to $73 afterwards. The New York Times group just bought The Athletic but I don't think they'll change it up.
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:27 am FWIW, The Athletic reports that the feeling around the NFL is the Bears are closer than people think (and if you aren't paying a buck a month for the Athletic, you are missing out).

https://theathletic.com/3064702/2022/01 ... ed_article
Excellent article -- I agree with all the points made there. It's a good analysis.

Regarding "The Athletic," I also agree. It's worth the subscription. And by the way, they were just acquired by the New York Times. :o
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 pm
wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:27 am FWIW, The Athletic reports that the feeling around the NFL is the Bears are closer than people think (and if you aren't paying a buck a month for the Athletic, you are missing out).

https://theathletic.com/3064702/2022/01 ... ed_article
It asks me to pay $4/mo, is there a special offer somewhere? And that's only if I buy the whole year, and it auto renews and doubles in price next year.
You will be charged a total of $48.00 for the first year. Your annual subscription will automatically renew for $71.99 on Jan 12, 2023 and each year thereafter until you cancel. For more details on our payment terms and how to cancel, click here.
Usually if you sign up through their Twitter links you get a pretty deep discount. I caught it last year on black friday for .99 a month, but it looks like you can get it for half off here:
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:55 am Khan has a pretty solid resume... 20 something years with the Steelers.
I just read up a bit about Khan. I would take him in a heartbeat.
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Moriarty wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:36 pm I found my way to this

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