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IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:28 am Yeah - he just hired a big time assistant from ND. He's not going anywhere.
Well put me down for Brian Flores.
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This is SO Bears.
Just completely ignore the obvious choice.
Come on!
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Burl wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:40 am This is SO Bears.
Just completely ignore the obvious choice.
Come on!
Flores?
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What @The Cooler King said.

The GM will be the top football person, and is responsible for organizing entire operation on that side, and if their strength is in organization management that's a GOOD thing. Particularly if they also know they need to hire smart people for the part that isn't their strongest suit.
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I don't get this. I want to win & the Texans haven't won anything ever. Hitting on a handful of first rounders over several years should be minimum qualification for someone who's actually made picks. But coming from a winning program/background has to be a core requirement. I want a GM from a winning program and winning lineage.
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IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:03 am I don't get this. I want to win & the Texans haven't won anything ever. Hitting on a handful of first rounders over several years should be minimum qualification for someone who's actually made picks. But coming from a winning program/background has to be a core requirement. I want a GM from a winning program and winning lineage.
While they didn't win big, I think people see some really strong core components. Especially on the back half of his run. And it was others that really tore that base down.

Defintiely more process over result arguement.
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The Marshall Plan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:33 am
IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:28 am Yeah - he just hired a big time assistant from ND. He's not going anywhere.
Well put me down for Brian Flores.
Bowles
Daboll
Eberflus
Flores
Frazier
Hackett
Leftwich
Pederson
Quinn

Out of the 9 that we know have been called for interviews Flores is my #1
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IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:03 am I don't get this. I want to win & the Texans haven't won anything ever. Hitting on a handful of first rounders over several years should be minimum qualification for someone who's actually made picks. But coming from a winning program/background has to be a core requirement. I want a GM from a winning program and winning lineage.
While true that Smith never won it all in Houston - they did have a pretty good run and he was the man at the top. He was making the final call on pretty much everything. Basically every other candidate (that was at a club that won it all) it is nearly impossible to tell what role they had in the 'winning'. I understand that's what the interviews are all about - but Pace came from a winning org too.

I'm relatively lukewarm on Smith. But I do like the fact that I can go and look and see exactly what he had done in his time as GM - which is more than I can do for the rest of the candidates.
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IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:03 am I don't get this. I want to win & the Texans haven't won anything ever. Hitting on a handful of first rounders over several years should be minimum qualification for someone who's actually made picks. But coming from a winning program/background has to be a core requirement. I want a GM from a winning program and winning lineage.
You have to look at what the Texans were before Smith was hired, and look at them after he was let go.

He has had success:

12 seasons, only 4 of which were 'losing seasons'
4 playoff appearances
11 Pro Bowlers drafted
etc

We could do a lot worse than Rick Smith.
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I have a feeling it's going to be Ed Dodds and Matt Eberflus.

Love the former, not sure how I feel about the latter... I'm in no rush to go back to Lovie's Cover 2 defense.
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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:16 am
The Marshall Plan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:33 am

Well put me down for Brian Flores.
Bowles
Daboll
Eberflus
Flores
Frazier
Hackett
Leftwich
Pederson
Quinn

Out of the 9 that we know have been called for interviews Flores is my #1
Quinn is my #1 because he’s a good defensive mind that has a track record of hiring good offensive coordinators, that Flores doesn’t.

Then Leftwich, Daboll, and Flores are the next tier for me.

Bowles, Frazier, and Hackett would make me worried for the future.
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G08 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:31 am
IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:03 am I don't get this. I want to win & the Texans haven't won anything ever. Hitting on a handful of first rounders over several years should be minimum qualification for someone who's actually made picks. But coming from a winning program/background has to be a core requirement. I want a GM from a winning program and winning lineage.
You have to look at what the Texans were before Smith was hired, and look at them after he was let go.

He has had success:

12 seasons, only 4 of which were 'losing seasons'
4 playoff appearances
11 Pro Bowlers drafted
etc

We could do a lot worse than Rick Smith.
OK. I guess I'm just in "I want a dynasty" mode, and don't quite see the promise there like I do with a young Wolf. But I'd be fine with it if he brought in the right coaches. I'm down with McDaniel for sure.
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TheWorldBreaker wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:38 am
Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:16 am

Bowles
Daboll
Eberflus
Flores
Frazier
Hackett
Leftwich
Pederson
Quinn

Out of the 9 that we know have been called for interviews Flores is my #1
Quinn is my #1 because he’s a good defensive mind that has a track record of hiring good offensive coordinators, that Flores doesn’t.

Then Leftwich, Daboll, and Flores are the next tier for me.

Bowles, Frazier, and Hackett would make me worried for the future.
Pedersen out of the running then?
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Burl wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:40 am This is SO Bears.
Just completely ignore the obvious choice.
Come on!
You assume the Bears have all of the control in this situation? On the contrary...Harbaugh has all of the control. It's not like the Bears can just draft the guy as their coach.
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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:16 am
The Marshall Plan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:33 am

Well put me down for Brian Flores.
Bowles
Daboll
Eberflus
Flores
Frazier
Hackett
Leftwich
Pederson
Quinn

Out of the 9 that we know have been called for interviews Flores is my #1
I like Flores. People suck at their jobs and he fires them. Gee imagine that? Accountability.

He’s from The Hoodie and has beaten him several times.

He inherited a shit show at Miami and had them on the upswing with no talent to speak of when those dumbasses fired him for hating the GM because the GM sucked at his job.

That’s the kind of guy I want.

The only thing holding this back is that I think the McCaskey’s are a bunch of pussies and couldn’t handle an alpha guy like that walking around. It’s the main reason why this franchise has sucked for 40 years.
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I'd say my preference for HC is:
1a: Flores
1b: Quinn
2: Bowles
3: Eberflus
4: Daboll
5: Hackett
6: Leftwich
7: Frazier
8: Pederson

Although 2/3/4 are pretty interchangeable, depending on the day.
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I like Flores, all of the hardheadedness of Harbaugh with none of the proven track record. Sign me up!
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All in all, aside from a couple of guys (Frazier and to a lesser extent Pederson), this list is pretty inspiring.

Although I do have this sinking feeling that it'll be Pederson.
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G08 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:31 am
IE wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:03 am I don't get this. I want to win & the Texans haven't won anything ever. Hitting on a handful of first rounders over several years should be minimum qualification for someone who's actually made picks. But coming from a winning program/background has to be a core requirement. I want a GM from a winning program and winning lineage.
You have to look at what the Texans were before Smith was hired, and look at them after he was let go.

He has had success:

12 seasons, only 4 of which were 'losing seasons'
4 playoff appearances
11 Pro Bowlers drafted
etc

We could do a lot worse than Rick Smith.
I'm still on the Dodds train, but yes, the Bears could do much worse.
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wab wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:46 pm
G08 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:31 am

You have to look at what the Texans were before Smith was hired, and look at them after he was let go.

He has had success:

12 seasons, only 4 of which were 'losing seasons'
4 playoff appearances
11 Pro Bowlers drafted
etc

We could do a lot worse than Rick Smith.
I'm still on the Dodds train, but yes, the Bears could do much worse.
I like Dodds #1, Smith #2.

Which means it'll be Jeff fucking Ireland.
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I'll shit myself if we hire Ireland. He is a laughing stock here in Miami.
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G08 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:49 pm
wab wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:46 pm
I'm still on the Dodds train, but yes, the Bears could do much worse.
I like Dodds #1, Smith #2.

Which means it'll be Jeff fucking Ireland.
Smith is up there for sure. Dodds first. Then Adolfo-Mensah/Wolfe/Khan/Smith/Schoen is some order.

But yeah, it'll probably be Pederson and Ireland.
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wab wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:19 pm I'd say my preference for HC is:
1a: Flores
1b: Quinn
2: Bowles
3: Eberflus
4: Daboll
5: Hackett
6: Leftwich
7: Frazier
8: Pederson

Although 2/3/4 are pretty interchangeable, depending on the day.
I've seen Quinn's name bandied about on Bears Twitter... not sure I get why though?
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wab wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:55 pm Smith is up there for sure. Dodds first. Then Adolfo-Mensah/Wolfe/Khan/Smith/Schoen is some order.

But yeah, it'll probably be Pederson and Ireland.
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Uninspiring for sure
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UOK wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:09 pm
Have they interviewed anyone else for GM besides Champ Kelly and the other guy from the Browns whose name I’m not going to try and spell?
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I posted in the Cook thread as well, but for certainly here as well. Indirectly, this would indicate Kwesi is out of the running.
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TheWorldBreaker wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:16 pm
UOK wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:09 pm
Have they interviewed anyone else for GM besides Champ Kelly and the other guy from the Browns whose name I’m not going to try and spell?
No idea. Jeff Ireland is happening here this afternoon.
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wab wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:14 pm
Burl wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:40 am This is SO Bears.
Just completely ignore the obvious choice.
Come on!
You assume the Bears have all of the control in this situation? On the contrary...Harbaugh has all of the control. It's not like the Bears can just draft the guy as their coach.
That’s not my assumption. It may well be the case that Harbaugh has no/little interest in even making a change. But, if they aren’t actively beating down his door/ringing his phone off the hook, they’re just wrong.

We all thought/knew Arians was the guy. Same thing. He was the obvious choice. Bears went with Trestman. Arians is the reigning SB champ.

It’s the move to make. Grow some balls and MAKE it happen.
Flores, ok, he’s the poor man’s version but I’ll take it.
Just no Pederson, Frazier, etc.
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