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Why did it make you less excited? I took the video as the Bears forced Goff into his worst day by the scheme and discipline in the scheme. Am i misunderstanding something?Moriarty wrote:Very informative.
But it also made me less excited about the Bears' performance.
I didn't understand that either, this was an elite gameplan by Fangio and execution by our players. We put a blueprint out there on how to beat them and now the Rams looks fragile! We literally broke that team -- I'm proud as fuckHurricaneBear wrote:Great video and nice to see how Fangio let's his players play to their strengths. It seems like it's been so long since we have had a coaching staff that does that!
Why did it make you less excited? I took the video as the Bears forced Goff into his worst day by the scheme and discipline in the scheme. Am i misunderstanding something?Moriarty wrote:Very informative.
But it also made me less excited about the Bears' performance.
This ^^^ All fucking day long.G08 wrote:I didn't understand that either, this was an elite gameplan by Fangio and execution by our players. We put a blueprint out there on how to beat them and now the Rams looks fragile! We literally broke that team -- I'm proud as fuckHurricaneBear wrote:Great video and nice to see how Fangio let's his players play to their strengths. It seems like it's been so long since we have had a coaching staff that does that!
Why did it make you less excited? I took the video as the Bears forced Goff into his worst day by the scheme and discipline in the scheme. Am i misunderstanding something?Moriarty wrote:Very informative.
But it also made me less excited about the Bears' performance.
Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:This ^^^ All fucking day long.G08 wrote:I didn't understand that either, this was an elite gameplan by Fangio and execution by our players. We put a blueprint out there on how to beat them and now the Rams looks fragile! We literally broke that team -- I'm proud as fuckHurricaneBear wrote:Great video and nice to see how Fangio let's his players play to their strengths. It seems like it's been so long since we have had a coaching staff that does that!
Why did it make you less excited? I took the video as the Bears forced Goff into his worst day by the scheme and discipline in the scheme. Am i misunderstanding something?Moriarty wrote:Very informative.
But it also made me less excited about the Bears' performance.
Good teams don't just win. They change the game/narrative. Chicago changed the narrative on the Rams.
Because the video was nonstop "Look at Goff ignore his checkdown. Look at Goff get impatient and force it long instead of taking what he's given. Look at Goff make an inexcusable decision."G08 wrote:I didn't understand that either, this was an elite gameplan by Fangio and execution by our players. We put a blueprint out there on how to beat them and now the Rams looks fragile! We literally broke that team -- I'm proud as fuckHurricaneBear wrote:Great video and nice to see how Fangio let's his players play to their strengths. It seems like it's been so long since we have had a coaching staff that does that!
Why did it make you less excited? I took the video as the Bears forced Goff into his worst day by the scheme and discipline in the scheme. Am i misunderstanding something?Moriarty wrote:Very informative.
But it also made me less excited about the Bears' performance.
My guess is that Fangio would approach a QB like Brees or Brady different than he schemed for Goff.Moriarty wrote:Because the video was nonstop "Look at Goff ignore his checkdown. Look at Goff get impatient and force it long instead of taking what he's given. Look at Goff make an inexcusable decision."G08 wrote:I didn't understand that either, this was an elite gameplan by Fangio and execution by our players. We put a blueprint out there on how to beat them and now the Rams looks fragile! We literally broke that team -- I'm proud as fuckHurricaneBear wrote:Great video and nice to see how Fangio let's his players play to their strengths. It seems like it's been so long since we have had a coaching staff that does that!
Why did it make you less excited? I took the video as the Bears forced Goff into his worst day by the scheme and discipline in the scheme. Am i misunderstanding something?Moriarty wrote:Very informative.
But it also made me less excited about the Bears' performance.
If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
Well, that's the point. That's the entire point behind an approach like that -- it's part of the brilliance. You don't come after elite, experienced QBs like that because you know they have the patience to check it down every single time (think Peyton Manning).Moriarty wrote: Because the video was nonstop "Look at Goff ignore his checkdown. Look at Goff get impatient and force it long instead of taking what he's given. Look at Goff make an inexcusable decision."
... we SHUT DOWN their run game, completely, and their QB threw 4 INTs. I don't know how your brain interprets these things -- frankly it's none of my business -- but I wish you found more joy in that dominant defensive performance.Moriarty wrote: If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
The Bears held the most dynamic RB in the league, to his year low in yards gained. They absolutely dominated Todd Gurley. In the process, showed the entire NFL how to stop the Rams. Stop Gurley, you stop the Rams. Goff was exposed as not having good pre-snap read ability after the mic in his ear shut off. The Bears BROKE that offense. I would call that dominant.G08 wrote:]Moriarty wrote: If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
... we SHUT DOWN their run game, completely, and their QB threw 4 INTs. I don't know how your brain interprets these things -- frankly it's none of my business -- but I wish you found more joy in that dominant defensive performance.
G08 wrote:Well, that's the point. That's the entire point behind an approach like that -- it's part of the brilliance. You don't come after elite, experienced QBs like that because you know they have the patience to check it down every single time (think Peyton Manning).Moriarty wrote: Because the video was nonstop "Look at Goff ignore his checkdown. Look at Goff get impatient and force it long instead of taking what he's given. Look at Goff make an inexcusable decision."
... we SHUT DOWN their run game, completely, and their QB threw 4 INTs. I don't know how your brain interprets these things -- frankly it's none of my business -- but I wish you found more joy in that dominant defensive performance.Moriarty wrote: If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
This.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:The Bears held the most dynamic RB in the league, to his year low in yards gained. They absolutely dominated Todd Gurley. In the process, showed the entire NFL how to stop the Rams. Stop Gurley, you stop the Rams. Goff was exposed as not having good pre-snap read ability after the mic in his ear shut off. The Bears BROKE that offense. I would call that dominant.G08 wrote:]Moriarty wrote: If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
... we SHUT DOWN their run game, completely, and their QB threw 4 INTs. I don't know how your brain interprets these things -- frankly it's none of my business -- but I wish you found more joy in that dominant defensive performance.
Agreee. This was after they let Barkley run and catch all over them. It's why I was worried about the Rams. But Goff is still real young and not experienced enough to take what the defense gives him, Bears got to stack the box play deep, and see how things went. If Goff had just taken the short passes for a few drives the Bears likely have to change up and the game is different. He couldn't, the run game was shut down and he had his worst game of the season, and followed it up w/another bad game. Now Gurley is hurt and that will put more pressure on Goff.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:The Bears held the most dynamic RB in the league, to his year low in yards gained. They absolutely dominated Todd Gurley. In the process, showed the entire NFL how to stop the Rams. Stop Gurley, you stop the Rams. Goff was exposed as not having good pre-snap read ability after the mic in his ear shut off. The Bears BROKE that offense. I would call that dominant.G08 wrote:]Moriarty wrote: If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
... we SHUT DOWN their run game, completely, and their QB threw 4 INTs. I don't know how your brain interprets these things -- frankly it's none of my business -- but I wish you found more joy in that dominant defensive performance.
Boris13c wrote:G08 wrote:Well, that's the point. That's the entire point behind an approach like that -- it's part of the brilliance. You don't come after elite, experienced QBs like that because you know they have the patience to check it down every single time (think Peyton Manning).Moriarty wrote: Because the video was nonstop "Look at Goff ignore his checkdown. Look at Goff get impatient and force it long instead of taking what he's given. Look at Goff make an inexcusable decision."
... we SHUT DOWN their run game, completely, and their QB threw 4 INTs. I don't know how your brain interprets these things -- frankly it's none of my business -- but I wish you found more joy in that dominant defensive performance.Moriarty wrote: If the Bears had just physically overwhelmed them in their individual matchups and/or there was no one open and nowhere to go, that would be great, because great athleticism will help you against everyone.
But it wasn't - it was scheming that got Goff to make the wrong choices. Even if you alter your scheme to them, if you come across experienced vet QBs like Brady, Rivers, or Brees, I'm not terribly optimistic that they'll help out by making wrong choices the way Goff did.
sorry, but I don't understand any argument that ends up pooh-poohing the idea the Bears did anything special against the Rams
what the Bears did was completely shutdown the Rams running game, saying to the Rams and their offense that they are challenging their 300+ yards per game QB to beat them through the air
and the Rams were not up to the challenge
why did Goff have a rough passing day? wasn't because he simply sucked that day ... it was because the Bears defense definitely influenced what he could do ... and because the Bears defense had a strong enough pass rush to speed up Goff's play clock in his head, making him make decisions sooner than what he wanted to receivers he didn't necessarily plan to go to
I challenge anyone who thinks the Bears D did nothing special for that win to go watch that game again, but sober this time so you can actually see what is happening
This.southdakbearfan wrote:I don't buy the argument at all that it was Goff and not the defense. It was the defense shutting the run down and getting pressure on Goff that gave him happy feet which in turn caused his piss poor accuracy.
Fangio crafted what any smart DC w/a good def can do against a young qb that needs his wide recievers to make plays. Cover the deep ball and make him slowly drive the field and hope they get impatient. SF tried the samething w/Mitch and they almost got him a few times, but he settled down and started taking what the def gave him, underneath short passes. Goff never learned.The Marshall Plan wrote:This.southdakbearfan wrote:I don't buy the argument at all that it was Goff and not the defense. It was the defense shutting the run down and getting pressure on Goff that gave him happy feet which in turn caused his piss poor accuracy.
Fangio crafted something special and the defense went out and executed.
