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I think that is a very slippery slope for the NFL. They're going to suspend a man for an entire season for something that was not pursued by police, and no citation or conviction on his record?cblaz11 wrote:Question....
What about a looming suspension? I’ve heard rumors that he could actually be suspended for the entire 2019 season.
Does he get credit for time served?G08 wrote:I think that is a very slippery slope for the NFL. They're going to suspend a man for an entire season for something that was not pursued by police, and no citation or conviction on his record?cblaz11 wrote:Question....
What about a looming suspension? I’ve heard rumors that he could actually be suspended for the entire 2019 season.
Doubt it.
6 games is what I expect.
No idea but I am going to guess no.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Does he get credit for time served?G08 wrote:I think that is a very slippery slope for the NFL. They're going to suspend a man for an entire season for something that was not pursued by police, and no citation or conviction on his record?cblaz11 wrote:Question....
What about a looming suspension? I’ve heard rumors that he could actually be suspended for the entire 2019 season.
Doubt it.
6 games is what I expect.
They actually didn’t suspend him yet. He’s on the commissioners exempt list. He still could be suspended for the incident. I suspect he will be, I doubt he gets “time served” for being released given the optics of the situation.The Marshall Plan wrote:I personally don't believe in ruining people's lives over small, in the grand scheme of offenses, like that. The league suspended him. Let everybody move on with their lives.
He should be allowed back in the league and whoever signs him is going to get a great player. I hope its the Bears.
Xee wrote:I don't know, even though it was a decade ago, I still remember Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson, two guys who were given multiple second chances and threw them away. Can't help but think the same thing would happen with Kareem.
Didn't the white girl he pushed call him a "ni**er"??? Or was that just bogus?Boris13c wrote:Xee wrote:I don't know, even though it was a decade ago, I still remember Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson, two guys who were given multiple second chances and threw them away. Can't help but think the same thing would happen with Kareem.
The published stories and accounts of events certainly do not paint a very flattering picture of him. And I'm cynical enough to brush off promises of "learned my lesson", "won't happen again" responses from the player himself as simply saying what needs to be said in order to be able to again get a paycheck for playing a game.
If the Bears do sign him, it would need to be a contract that spells out what happens if he turns out to be a no account douche.
It's alleged, I don't think there is a recording of it or anything.Richie wrote:Didn't the white girl he pushed call him a "ni**er"??? Or was that just bogus?Boris13c wrote:Xee wrote:I don't know, even though it was a decade ago, I still remember Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson, two guys who were given multiple second chances and threw them away. Can't help but think the same thing would happen with Kareem.
The published stories and accounts of events certainly do not paint a very flattering picture of him. And I'm cynical enough to brush off promises of "learned my lesson", "won't happen again" responses from the player himself as simply saying what needs to be said in order to be able to again get a paycheck for playing a game.
If the Bears do sign him, it would need to be a contract that spells out what happens if he turns out to be a no account douche.
That's the sad thing about these young guys in sports.G08 wrote: ... This is the shit that drives me crazy, everyone is all over this kid but nobody says a single thing about the girl's role in this and how she was the aggressor in a couple instances. It's so stupid.
I'd bet if every single male on this board was her height/weight/strength they wouldn't have gotten in Hunts face like this, slapped him, or chased after him after he left. Unless they were looking for a fight and/or ready to get their ass kicked.
G08 at 23 years old? Thank GOD they didn't have cellphone cameras back thenIotaNet wrote:That's the sad thing about these young guys in sports.G08 wrote: ... This is the shit that drives me crazy, everyone is all over this kid but nobody says a single thing about the girl's role in this and how she was the aggressor in a couple instances. It's so stupid.
I'd bet if every single male on this board was her height/weight/strength they wouldn't have gotten in Hunts face like this, slapped him, or chased after him after he left. Unless they were looking for a fight and/or ready to get their ass kicked.
You take a young person in their 20's, give them more money than most people will ever see in a lifetime and tell them to be responsible adults. In the meantime, every hanger-on, golddigger, bad actor in the world is glomming onto them with one hand open and the other carrying a cellphone/camera.
Then everyone sits back and tut-tuts about how irresponsible they are and what stupid decisions they make. Even though most people in that situation (myself included at 25 years old) would be totally unprepared for the kind of crap they have to deal with.
I hope Hunt is able to make it through to the other side of this.
Man I was. I was a hotheaded fighter in my 20's. I hung out with the wrong people and did all the wrong things.G08 wrote:G08 at 23 years old? Thank GOD they didn't have cellphone cameras back thenIotaNet wrote:That's the sad thing about these young guys in sports.G08 wrote: ... This is the shit that drives me crazy, everyone is all over this kid but nobody says a single thing about the girl's role in this and how she was the aggressor in a couple instances. It's so stupid.
I'd bet if every single male on this board was her height/weight/strength they wouldn't have gotten in Hunts face like this, slapped him, or chased after him after he left. Unless they were looking for a fight and/or ready to get their ass kicked.
You take a young person in their 20's, give them more money than most people will ever see in a lifetime and tell them to be responsible adults. In the meantime, every hanger-on, golddigger, bad actor in the world is glomming onto them with one hand open and the other carrying a cellphone/camera.
Then everyone sits back and tut-tuts about how irresponsible they are and what stupid decisions they make. Even though most people in that situation (myself included at 25 years old) would be totally unprepared for the kind of crap they have to deal with.
I hope Hunt is able to make it through to the other side of this.
(no I wasn't going around accosting people -- I'm a lover, not a fighter)
dplank wrote: I'll buy a Hunt jersey if he signs with the Bears. And I'll have a the H removable with a C behind it if anyone gives me shit for wearing it.
Watching that interview, I don't think he realized how bad it looked on video until he actually saw it.AZ_Bearfan wrote:I think what people are missing is that he wasn't cut for the altercation. No team cuts the best RB in football for a spat. He was cut for lying to everybody in the organizations face. As a coach, I would need to know if he was remorseful for the fight, or for getting caught.
Truthfully, how will you ever know, find out? Someone pretty damn dumb would have to say, "Well coach, I am sorry I was caught." That never happens. People apologize for the obvious.AZ_Bearfan wrote:I think what people are missing is that he wasn't cut for the altercation. No team cuts the best RB in football for a spat. He was cut for lying to everybody in the organizations face. As a coach, I would need to know if he was remorseful for the fight, or for getting caught.
Yeah I never considered the fact that he might not even remember what happened. It's not an excuse, but it would explain his version of the events not aligning with the video.G08 wrote:Could have been too drunk? Could have been a liar, I honestly don't know.
I found it interesting and wryly truthful when he said that he was embarrassed that that video got out. Not his behavior, mind you.Otis Day wrote:Truthfully, how will you ever know, find out? Someone pretty damn dumb would have to say, "Well coach, I am sorry I was caught." That never happens. People apologize for the obvious.AZ_Bearfan wrote:I think what people are missing is that he wasn't cut for the altercation. No team cuts the best RB in football for a spat. He was cut for lying to everybody in the organizations face. As a coach, I would need to know if he was remorseful for the fight, or for getting caught.
I don't know this guy, he is a helluva player, have nothing against the Bears if the sign him, I am just a devil's advocate. When people lose their lively hood, they tend to start saying the right things. Convicted criminals, more often than not, apologize, find Christ, shit they didn't do before being caught.
A lot of times apologizing and looking remorseful are natural reactions to getting caught. Time will tell with this guy. For his sake I hope he straightens his shit out.
I wrote basically the same thing in the Nagy/pace thread. This incident was nothing like Ray Rice Knocking out his wife. Hunt doesn’t have any previous domestic violence incident like Greg Hardy or Ruben Foster. The young female was the aggressor and hit Hunt in the face. She was pushed into the wall inadvertently by someone else. The “kick” was minor at best, there was no intent to harm. The click bait headline of brutalizing are laughable.G08 wrote:Thank you! Meanwhile in Chiago I'm hearing the video is graphic and depicts him beating/brutalizing a woman. It's laughable.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:This is the first time I have really dissected the videos. That I have watched and listened to what ACTUALLY went on. Watch these videos, and then you tell me who is at fault, and who is responsible. Listen to both of their explanations of the incident. That chick pushed multiple people trying to get to Hunt, and was hit, not by Hunt, but by someone being pushed into her. The kick at the end...that was minor at best.
I would sign Kareem tomorrow. That chick was trolling for a superstar. I'm sorry, I'm not into victim shaming, but I am also not into professional athletes getting targeted for their fame and money. Was everybody drinking, yeah probably. But that is their right as an over 21 year old in the US. Did he have the right to go out and party with his friends? Absolutely. Did she have the right to harass and provoke him? Absolutely not.
The incident
Two sides of the story
The Bears have a locker room that would help Hunt, not hurt him. With players like Mack, Hicks, Long and Robinson. They would be there as a positive force, not a negative one.
Sign that kid tomorrow.
I was just a drunk idiot back in my day.wab wrote:Man I was. I was a hotheaded fighter in my 20's. I hung out with the wrong people and did all the wrong things.G08 wrote:G08 at 23 years old? Thank GOD they didn't have cellphone cameras back thenIotaNet wrote:That's the sad thing about these young guys in sports.G08 wrote: ... This is the shit that drives me crazy, everyone is all over this kid but nobody says a single thing about the girl's role in this and how she was the aggressor in a couple instances. It's so stupid.
I'd bet if every single male on this board was her height/weight/strength they wouldn't have gotten in Hunts face like this, slapped him, or chased after him after he left. Unless they were looking for a fight and/or ready to get their ass kicked.
You take a young person in their 20's, give them more money than most people will ever see in a lifetime and tell them to be responsible adults. In the meantime, every hanger-on, golddigger, bad actor in the world is glomming onto them with one hand open and the other carrying a cellphone/camera.
Then everyone sits back and tut-tuts about how irresponsible they are and what stupid decisions they make. Even though most people in that situation (myself included at 25 years old) would be totally unprepared for the kind of crap they have to deal with.
I hope Hunt is able to make it through to the other side of this.
(no I wasn't going around accosting people -- I'm a lover, not a fighter)
Thank god there were no cellphones or social media... I know it would have absolutely burned me.
I think if you get Hunt on a team like the Bears, with players like Mack, Hicks and Long. With his old OC, that is giving him a 2nd chance. That shit clears up REALLY fast.Mikefive wrote:I found it interesting and wryly truthful when he said that he was embarrassed that that video got out. Not his behavior, mind you.Otis Day wrote:Truthfully, how will you ever know, find out? Someone pretty damn dumb would have to say, "Well coach, I am sorry I was caught." That never happens. People apologize for the obvious.AZ_Bearfan wrote:I think what people are missing is that he wasn't cut for the altercation. No team cuts the best RB in football for a spat. He was cut for lying to everybody in the organizations face. As a coach, I would need to know if he was remorseful for the fight, or for getting caught.
I don't know this guy, he is a helluva player, have nothing against the Bears if the sign him, I am just a devil's advocate. When people lose their lively hood, they tend to start saying the right things. Convicted criminals, more often than not, apologize, find Christ, shit they didn't do before being caught.
A lot of times apologizing and looking remorseful are natural reactions to getting caught. Time will tell with this guy. For his sake I hope he straightens his shit out.
I tend to land around Otis on this. Should people get 2nd chances? Sure. But you don't want the same guy on your team. You just don't. So you need to have some pretty convincing evidence that he's truly changed. Otherwise, you look like a fool.
Many are saying that it wasn't a big deal, nobody got badly hurt. (That includes me.) It may sound dumb, but what really bothers me is that he had 2 other lesser incidents since. I know they were relatively small deals, but that really says a lot about this guy's thought process. When you got yourself in a situation that's bad enough that you had to lie to your team who loves you and wants to support you, then you should be smart enough--even at age 23--to make a decision that you're not going to even put yourself in those kinds of situations, which involved drinking and maybe other things in public places with people you met that day.
And maybe that's easy for me to say. I was married at 21, working and stayed out of trouble. But if you're Pace/Nagy who are staking their reputations on a guy, you better see an extraordinary change before you commit.
That's a good point. I don't know what the locker room was like in KC, but ours has to be at the top. Those players you mentioned, and others, along with Nagy, and the winning I think will keep future behavior like that in check.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I think if you get Hunt on a team like the Bears, with players like Mack, Hicks and Long. With his old OC, that is giving him a 2nd chance. That shit clears up REALLY fast.Mikefive wrote:I found it interesting and wryly truthful when he said that he was embarrassed that that video got out. Not his behavior, mind you.Otis Day wrote:Truthfully, how will you ever know, find out? Someone pretty damn dumb would have to say, "Well coach, I am sorry I was caught." That never happens. People apologize for the obvious.AZ_Bearfan wrote:I think what people are missing is that he wasn't cut for the altercation. No team cuts the best RB in football for a spat. He was cut for lying to everybody in the organizations face. As a coach, I would need to know if he was remorseful for the fight, or for getting caught.
I don't know this guy, he is a helluva player, have nothing against the Bears if the sign him, I am just a devil's advocate. When people lose their lively hood, they tend to start saying the right things. Convicted criminals, more often than not, apologize, find Christ, shit they didn't do before being caught.
A lot of times apologizing and looking remorseful are natural reactions to getting caught. Time will tell with this guy. For his sake I hope he straightens his shit out.
I tend to land around Otis on this. Should people get 2nd chances? Sure. But you don't want the same guy on your team. You just don't. So you need to have some pretty convincing evidence that he's truly changed. Otherwise, you look like a fool.
Many are saying that it wasn't a big deal, nobody got badly hurt. (That includes me.) It may sound dumb, but what really bothers me is that he had 2 other lesser incidents since. I know they were relatively small deals, but that really says a lot about this guy's thought process. When you got yourself in a situation that's bad enough that you had to lie to your team who loves you and wants to support you, then you should be smart enough--even at age 23--to make a decision that you're not going to even put yourself in those kinds of situations, which involved drinking and maybe other things in public places with people you met that day.
And maybe that's easy for me to say. I was married at 21, working and stayed out of trouble. But if you're Pace/Nagy who are staking their reputations on a guy, you better see an extraordinary change before you commit.
Do you think that the Bears would have a leg up because of Nagy, and an offense he's familiar with?Otis Day wrote:According to ESPN and other sports outlets, teams lining up.
Not only that, but Trubisky and Hunt are from Mentor, Ohio and went to rival High Schools. He also posted this on his IG back in 2017 at the Rookie Premier:Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:Do you think that the Bears would have a leg up because of Nagy, and an offense he's familiar with?Otis Day wrote:According to ESPN and other sports outlets, teams lining up.
I largely agree that they were minor. But it's the court of public opinion that matters a lot with the court of Roger Goodell. So does the number of incidents, minor or not.Funkster wrote:https://www.profootballweekly.com/2019/ ... d/afpns2g/
I believe that when teams actually look into this video and the other incidents, they’re finding out these all were very minor.
And that female has zero responsibility to the NFL. That needs to be the message to Mr. Hunt.Funkster wrote:I find it rather funny that not one article mentions or headlines the female first hitting Hunt’s girlfriend or Hunt before Hunt reacted. If the cops are called for an assault and nobody goes to jail, good chance nothing really happened. This kid won’t be black balled by the league like Ray Rice and will have teams wanting his services.
