You are correct sir.wab wrote:I believe he's looking at it from the perspective that Mitch and Hunt have known each other since they were kids.Mikefive wrote:Trubisky especially??? I highly doubt that. Sure, he got everybody's attention in the huddle that one time and probably others. But when you're 24-years old, even if you're a good, hard working guy who plays QB, you don't qualify as THAT kind of leader until you're older and your team is winning because of you, not because you're a part that functions well most of the time. Kahlil Mack? Sure. Akiem Hicks? You bet. Kyle Long? Definitely. Mitch Trubisky? Has a ways to go, yet.G08 wrote:Love your heart, man. I do believe Nagy would be great for this kid and, more importantly, I think we have leadership on this team (Trubisky especially) who could help keep this kid on the straight-and-narrow. I sincerely hope he will be a Chicago Bear in 2019 and onward.wab wrote:You know, I really want to root for this kid to have success and turn his reputation around. His situation growing up did him absolutely no favors and he's overcome a lot.
I do not think he's an inherently bad kid. I think he's made some bad choices and hasn't had a lot of positive role models in his life.
If Nagy thinks he can be that guy for Hunt, I'm on board with bringing him in. Not simply because of his football talent, but because it's clear that Hunt needs good people in his life.
People want to talk about kids/women wearing the jersey of a woman abuser, nah, I see it as kids/women wearing the jersey of a young man who (I sincerely hope) is given a second chance and turns his life around for the better.
I found it comforting that people who have known him since his youth were stunned to see this video and mentioned how he was always a good kid.
Update: Kareem Hunt signs w/ Browns
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i worked in a prison/jail environment for 10 years. I saw many examples of women hitting/abusing men. Not just on a prisoner basis, I knew a guard who was abused by his wife. He had PTSD from Iraq and she took advantage of it and beat him with a frying pan. We all thought it was bullshit until she showed up crazy to pick him up and tried to attack some of us. Not at all saying this is the same thing, but women do some messed up shit too.
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Per rapsheet “Commissioner Roger Goodell says the Kareem Hunt investigation should conclude “soon” and that he’ll go back on the exempt list whenever he signed, as he awaits likely suspension”. Rap also said expect a conclusion before free agency.
Per multiple reports the Bucs sound interested in Hunt also.
I figured this would heat up. I think the bears won’t be able to pay what some teams will. The bears don’t really need a back (team finished 11th, averaged 121 a game and 4.1 per carry) and will have to watch how they spend their cap. Especially with both Howard and Kwiatkoski hitting their performance escalators, knock another 2.6M off.
I’m thinking the only hope is the personal relationships with Nagy and Mitch.
Per multiple reports the Bucs sound interested in Hunt also.
I figured this would heat up. I think the bears won’t be able to pay what some teams will. The bears don’t really need a back (team finished 11th, averaged 121 a game and 4.1 per carry) and will have to watch how they spend their cap. Especially with both Howard and Kwiatkoski hitting their performance escalators, knock another 2.6M off.
I’m thinking the only hope is the personal relationships with Nagy and Mitch.
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Hunt needs to sign with a team like the Bears and not follow the money. I'm pretty sure Winston would not be a great role model for a struggling young man. So, I'll get on board if the Bears do sign him..... but it's on you guys if Mitch starts kicking chicks. /s
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Allen Robinson would be willing to embrace disgraced former Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt if the Bears were to sign him.
The Bears receiver said Thursday that Hunt seemed like a “good dude” the few times he’d interacted with him over the past two years. He admitted, though, that he wasn’t clear on the details surrounding Hunt’s release from the Chiefs on Nov. 30, when TMZ aired a video that showed him pushing and kicking a woman in a Cleveland hotel last year.
“From when I met [him] and everything like that, for us to bring him into our locker room, I think guys would welcome him with open arms,” Robinson said. “He’d be one of us. …
“A guy they’d bring into our locker room would be our brother.”
The Bears receiver said Thursday that Hunt seemed like a “good dude” the few times he’d interacted with him over the past two years. He admitted, though, that he wasn’t clear on the details surrounding Hunt’s release from the Chiefs on Nov. 30, when TMZ aired a video that showed him pushing and kicking a woman in a Cleveland hotel last year.
“From when I met [him] and everything like that, for us to bring him into our locker room, I think guys would welcome him with open arms,” Robinson said. “He’d be one of us. …
“A guy they’d bring into our locker room would be our brother.”
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The core of leadership in this current locker room is pretty amazeballs. He really couldn't find a better fit..... plus, we're really good at football. That's gotta count for something in his mind.
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I honestly don't give a shit what we do the rest of this off-season / the draft if we bring in Kareem Hunt.AZ_Bearfan wrote:The core of leadership in this current locker room is pretty amazeballs. He really couldn't find a better fit..... plus, we're really good at football. That's gotta count for something in his mind.
I'll be bold enough to say he's the missing piece on our offense and will make us exponentially better the second he touches the field.
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I want to think that the kid is good hearted and would be able to turn it around but man there is a lot of smoke around him with numerous incidents. I know most are alleged but people who are generally good don't get in multiple alleged incidents and there is also talk that if any of the other incidents turn out to be true it is going to be more than 6 games, possibly a season.
Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
It's pretty simple to not get in trouble:
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- don't party with assholes that start or like to fight
- don't jump into a fight you didn't start
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- if you do get in a fight partying, don't go do it over again and again
Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
It's pretty simple to not get in trouble:
- don't start fights
- don't party with assholes that start or like to fight
- don't jump into a fight you didn't start
- don't hit women, period, unless they are coming after you with a weapon of some sort
- don't do drugs
- if you do get in a fight partying, don't go do it over again and again
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..and Kareem..grow the fuck up.
Your situation in life can be one any person your age would certainly like to have..
Don't throw this away..
As we used to say in Music Biz..
Money hates you..and your "friends" are there so long as the money's there..
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Your situation in life can be one any person your age would certainly like to have..
Don't throw this away..
As we used to say in Music Biz..
Money hates you..and your "friends" are there so long as the money's there..
The Magic Penis
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Yes and no. I had a guy in college that trouble just followed. He was just someone that never backed down, and could back up anything he said. He got hit in the head with a baseball bat as we were all heading into a bar one night. If we hadn't kinda held him back (we were hanging on but the guy could've walked through us if he completely lost it), he probably could have killed the punks that platooned him.southdakbearfan wrote:I want to think that the kid is good hearted and would be able to turn it around but man there is a lot of smoke around him with numerous incidents. I know most are alleged but people who are generally good don't get in multiple alleged incidents and there is also talk that if any of the other incidents turn out to be true it is going to be more than 6 games, possibly a season.
Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
It's pretty simple to not get in trouble:
- don't start fights
- don't party with assholes that start or like to fight
- don't jump into a fight you didn't start
- don't hit women, period, unless they are coming after you with a weapon of some sort
- don't do drugs
- if you do get in a fight partying, don't go do it over again and again
Some people that have had to fight and claw their way just to survive, let alone succeed, don't react rationally when confronted. Hunt definitely was in the wrong for his actions/reactions, but I hold a different candle to putting down an aggressive female in his face vs. battering an emotionally weak and frail girl behind closed doors. (which is the core of domestic violence IMO).
And like I said in a previous post somewhere...if the guy can show he can control himself and stay away from booze/drugs (which is what tends to be involved when players get into trouble), then I have no problem giving him another chance.
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Which probably won't be until November.G08 wrote:I honestly don't give a shit what we do the rest of this off-season / the draft if we bring in Kareem Hunt.AZ_Bearfan wrote:The core of leadership in this current locker room is pretty amazeballs. He really couldn't find a better fit..... plus, we're really good at football. That's gotta count for something in his mind.
I'll be bold enough to say he's the missing piece on our offense and will make us exponentially better the second he touches the field.
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Fine with me, man. This is a nod to 2020 and beyond more than 2019. Anything we get out of him next season is a bonus.wab wrote:Which probably won't be until November.G08 wrote:I honestly don't give a shit what we do the rest of this off-season / the draft if we bring in Kareem Hunt.AZ_Bearfan wrote:The core of leadership in this current locker room is pretty amazeballs. He really couldn't find a better fit..... plus, we're really good at football. That's gotta count for something in his mind.
I'll be bold enough to say he's the missing piece on our offense and will make us exponentially better the second he touches the field.
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This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
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Accused is the operative word here for me... zero charges filed against the kid.thunderspirit wrote:This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
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I’m conflicted on it. The only one of his incidents I know anything about is the one with the video. He shouldn’t have reacted how he did, but the female half was hardly innocent either. All those incidents so close together paint the picture of a guy with some sort of substance (probably alcohol) abuse issue going on.
If he’s legitimately taken care of it, I’m not going to freak out if they sign him. I also won’t lose any sleep if they don’t want the headache.
It sucks that it will be at the expense of Jordan Howard, who by all accounts is a hell of a good guy. But that’s pretty much a done deal anyway in my mind, so it doesn’t really play into the decision making for me.
If he’s legitimately taken care of it, I’m not going to freak out if they sign him. I also won’t lose any sleep if they don’t want the headache.
It sucks that it will be at the expense of Jordan Howard, who by all accounts is a hell of a good guy. But that’s pretty much a done deal anyway in my mind, so it doesn’t really play into the decision making for me.
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The way I would approach this guy is to point out what has happened to him and tell him loud and clear that if he doesn't change his LIFESTYLE right NOW, he's going to end up being one of those guys who could've been great and made millions, but didn't. He needs to change his definition of what BEING A MAN is. Being a man isn't punching someone out or making them pay for an insult. Any stupid fool can do that. Being a man means going to work every day and being big enough to walk away from anything stupid. ANYTHING. Also, avoid public clubs and partying with people he can't trust 100%.
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Honestly, if the Bears sign him, they'll have all of the leverage in the event he messes up. There would be a zero tolerance policy - no contract guarantees. If he doesn't agree to that, then he can sign somewhere else. There are plenty of RB's in the draft that we can get in R3 or later. If he agrees to a low risk, high reward contract - then I'd be all for taking a chance on him because of his talent level and his fit in Nagy's scheme.Mikefive wrote:The way I would approach this guy is to point out what has happened to him and tell him loud and clear that if he doesn't change his LIFESTYLE right NOW, he's going to end up being one of those guys who could've been great and made millions, but didn't. He needs to change his definition of what BEING A MAN is. Being a man isn't punching someone out or making them pay for an insult. Any stupid fool can do that. Being a man means going to work every day and being big enough to walk away from anything stupid. ANYTHING. Also, avoid public clubs and partying with people he can't trust 100%.
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G08 wrote:Accused is the operative word here for me... zero charges filed against the kid.thunderspirit wrote:This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
Exactly! I think his biggest issue is being young, famous and wants to be out having fun in public places. Sometimes that puts people like him in bad situations. I bet after all of this, he’s learned to keep a lower profile. With that said, I’m still having doubts he’ll end up in a bears uni.
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I go back and forth... I really want him to be on our team but he's got to get clearance, we have to see how long his suspension is, it's going to be poor optics at first, etc. Lot of red tape.Funkster wrote:G08 wrote:Accused is the operative word here for me... zero charges filed against the kid.thunderspirit wrote:This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
Exactly! I think his biggest issue is being young, famous and wants to be out having fun in public places. Sometimes those situations puts people like him in bad situations. With that said, I’m still having doubts he’ll end up in a bears uni.
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My guess is 6 weeks with time served. He definitely fits Nagy’s mold for a back and is the type of back that this offense is missing. I can picture him and wims on the field and the offense going off.G08 wrote:I go back and forth... I really want him to be on our team but he's got to get clearance, we have to see how long his suspension is, it's going to be poor optics at first, etc. Lot of red tape.Funkster wrote:G08 wrote:Accused is the operative word here for me... zero charges filed against the kid.thunderspirit wrote:This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
Exactly! I think his biggest issue is being young, famous and wants to be out having fun in public places. Sometimes those situations puts people like him in bad situations. With that said, I’m still having doubts he’ll end up in a bears uni.
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The thing is with these guys who have gotten away with all kinds of stuff because they were great athletes... They have a tendancy to fall back into that. All their life changing stuff (college success, awards, drafted into NFL, NFL all star) happens because of what THEY accomplish. And they're like... I've done all this, now I want to go out and have fun too! I think putting limits on that for guys who came from bad situations is not easy for them to do. I hope he can manage it. But I'm just not at all sure. Having a lot of good guys around him should help. You just never know though.Funkster wrote:G08 wrote:Accused is the operative word here for me... zero charges filed against the kid.thunderspirit wrote:This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
Exactly! I think his biggest issue is being young, famous and wants to be out having fun in public places. Sometimes that puts people like him in bad situations. I bet after all of this, he’s learned to keep a lower profile. With that said, I’m still having doubts he’ll end up in a bears uni.
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I don't think he's some POS punk kid, though. At least not from what I've gathered and heard from people who know him/played with him.Mikefive wrote:The thing is with these guys who have gotten away with all kinds of stuff because they were great athletes... They have a tendancy to fall back into that. All their life changing stuff (college success, awards, drafted into NFL, NFL all star) happens because of what THEY accomplish. And they're like... I've done all this, now I want to go out and have fun too! I think putting limits on that for guys who came from bad situations is not easy for them to do. I hope he can manage it. But I'm just not at all sure. Having a lot of good guys around him should help. You just never know though.Funkster wrote:G08 wrote:Accused is the operative word here for me... zero charges filed against the kid.thunderspirit wrote:This is what I keep coming back to as well.southdakbearfan wrote:Dude is accused of 3 incidents in a 7 month span, that isn't accidental, it's a pattern.
I get that he could be a troubled kid.
I get that he could turn things around.
But if you don't learn your lesson at some point, you're just gonna keep making the same mistakes.
Exactly! I think his biggest issue is being young, famous and wants to be out having fun in public places. Sometimes that puts people like him in bad situations. I bet after all of this, he’s learned to keep a lower profile. With that said, I’m still having doubts he’ll end up in a bears uni.
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I really want to believe he could be a good guy, not only due to his talent but in just wanting to believe one could dig out of his family history and environment to be a great success story.
Having a father, brother, 2 uncles and 4-6 cousins (depending on the article) either in prison or having had served long felony terms for drugs, robbery, aggravated assault, domestic assault and manslaughter gives one pause with these incidents and being suspended in college.
Having a father, brother, 2 uncles and 4-6 cousins (depending on the article) either in prison or having had served long felony terms for drugs, robbery, aggravated assault, domestic assault and manslaughter gives one pause with these incidents and being suspended in college.
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Breaking now - Hunt signs w/ Cleveland Browns.
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The #Browns signed RB Kareem Hunt to a 1-year deal that could be worth more than $1M not factoring in the suspension, source said. More than the minimum. After this year, he’ll be an RFA.
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The #Browns signed RB Kareem Hunt to a 1-year deal that could be worth more than $1M not factoring in the suspension, source said. More than the minimum. After this year, he’ll be an RFA.
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Interesting. They already have Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb.
(Coincidentally Johnson would be a fantastic fit in this offense.)
(Coincidentally Johnson would be a fantastic fit in this offense.)
I know a lot of people were opposed with him coming to the Bears but I feel he would have been the sure piece needed to take this offense to the next level. I also thought there was enough personal relationships in Halas hall to persuade him. I guess Dorsey had a better recruitment spiel. Ohh well, on to the next one!
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