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CBA Negotiations Underway

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:13 pm

The owners want a 17 game schedule. The players want to increase their share of revenues, currently approximately 46%. I imagine the tagging system of players is of interest. Possibly making marijuana a legal drug. This one could be ugly.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:31 pm

if I was part of the players group, I would only agree to a 17 game schedule if they drop the bullshit Thursday night games

wonder what the real ratings/viewership is for those games? I know I generally only watch if the Bears are playing
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:16 am

Boris13c wrote:
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if I was part of the players group, I would only agree to a 17 game schedule if they drop the bullshit Thursday night games

wonder what the real ratings/viewership is for those games? I know I generally only watch if the Bears are playing
Or get rid of a pre-season game. Hell, get rid of all of them.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:57 am

I would put solid money on there not being 17 games. Player safety initiatives won't allow it. It's a bargaining chip to keep something else the owners really want.

Tagging will definitely stay, but I think you could see the 5th year option dropped off. It doesn't matter if the players like it or not, it's a max of one player per team per year. You aren't going to get a union to go to the shed over something that affects less than 2 percent of it's membership.

Preseason will stay as well, along with thursday games. We all saw the quality of football that teams who didn't do squat in the preseason, like the bears, showed up with the first couple weeks. There is no minor league so players need game evaluation.

Mostly I would predict this will be about revenue split, foreign games, etc, the owners caved a little last time, I don't look for it to happen this go round, especially after the protest years costing the owners money.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:20 am

Honestly, the preseason is trash.

Have 1, 2 at most, and let it be basically 3rd/4th/5th string fringe talents fighting for jobs and getting gametape for their agents.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:27 am

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Honestly, the preseason is trash.

Have 1, 2 at most, and let it be basically 3rd/4th/5th string fringe talents fighting for jobs and getting gametape for their agents.
Fully agree that the preseason is trash. But it’s point isn’t to be quality football it’s to eval players and get everyone back in the groove.

I could see a drop to two games and then a whole bunch more joint practices but the owners don’t make money off practices.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:31 am

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:57 am
Preseason will stay as well, along with thursday games. We all saw the quality of football that teams who didn't do squat in the preseason, like the bears, showed up with the first couple weeks. There is no minor league so players need game evaluation.
It's a topic to be debated, for sure but I don't think you can point to a team's preseason record and say that shows how they're going to perform in the regular season (hello 2017 Browns). I think the main factor is whether the coaches and players feel it's necessary, not us, or the NFL.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:25 am

My pitch idea would be 18 game season with:
-rosters expanded (Maybe up to 60), with no overly significant cap expansion (the cap will allow for teams to keep a few more rookies/lower tier players only)
-Only 2 preseason games played
-No more team bye weeks
-Every player (other than kicker/punter), must be inactive for 2 regular season games at each teams' prerogative.

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A total roster of 56, with Kicker and Punter not included with the inactive formula, would work out to 6 players a week required to be inactive, so every player misses 2 games a season.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:14 pm

The preseason exists for two reasons:

1- A relic of an older era when guys used the preseason to get into shape

2- Making season ticket holders buy two more games of tickets. So $$$$$

The games are largely pointless, but they're not going anywhere.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:42 pm

Xee wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:31 am
southdakbearfan wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:57 am
Preseason will stay as well, along with thursday games. We all saw the quality of football that teams who didn't do squat in the preseason, like the bears, showed up with the first couple weeks. There is no minor league so players need game evaluation.
It's a topic to be debated, for sure but I don't think you can point to a team's preseason record and say that shows how they're going to perform in the regular season (hello 2017 Browns). I think the main factor is whether the coaches and players feel it's necessary, not us, or the NFL.
Record has nothing to do with it. It’s player eval and getting teams on the same page.

There is no “minor league” for the nfl so they are evaluating players, on their own team and others.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:18 pm

I can see the players wanting at most 2 preseason games. They don't get paid for them but owners force season ticket holders to buy the tickets so this will be a hot button issue over the list revenue. The players don't want a longer season, it already is very demanding. Even though only a small number of players are tagged, it's highly unpopular. The NFL is the only league allowing owners to do this.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:50 pm

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:18 pm
I can see the players wanting at most 2 preseason games. They don't get paid for them but owners force season ticket holders to buy the tickets so this will be a hot button issue over the list revenue. The players don't want a longer season, it already is very demanding. Even though only a small number of players are tagged, it's highly unpopular. The NFL is the only league allowing owners to do this.
But you have arbitration and years of service rules in mlb.

Hard individual max salaries in NBA.

It will be interesting to say the least. I doubt players have the stomach for a lockout as much as owners so I could see 17 games with some concessions on minor stuff like marijuana.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:22 pm

I'm curious how a 17 game season would retain competitive integrity. An odd number of games will mean some teams playing more home games than others, and that is a huge advantage in sports generally and the NFL in particular. Even if all teams in a division play the same number of home games, wildcards and playoff seeding will be affected.

The only way I can understand this working is if all teams play the extra game at a neutral venue. There are already 5 games a year being played overseas, with 4 in London and another in Mexico. Other International Series Games have been held in Canada. They could expand this to grow interest in the NFL in other countries too. The NFL is really popular in Germany for example. Try out different countries and focus on those that work out best and bring in the most money. The Jaguars make more money playing at Wembley than they do in Jacksonville. Neutral venues could also be in America, with the NFL using them to try out cities for potential expansion teams in the future.

For US fans it means no-one loses one (or in the Jaguars case two next season!) of their 8 home games.

For international fans it means more opportunity to enjoy live NFL games.

For the NFL it means opportunities to grow the brand and expand into new territories.

From a player perspective, the prospect of more money will mean higher salaries. Play the neutral games during the middle 8 weeks of the season (2 a week) and it will help break up the monotony of a long season.

In return for the extra game, reduce the preseason games by at least one or possibly two, start the season a week earlier and reinstate the second bye week with one coming after the neutral venue game.
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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:25 am

HisRoyalSweetness wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:22 pm
I'm curious how a 17 game season would retain competitive integrity. An odd number of games will mean some teams playing more home games than others, and that is a huge advantage in sports generally and the NFL in particular. Even if all teams in a division play the same number of home games, wildcards and playoff seeding will be affected.

The only way I can understand this working is if all teams play the extra game at a neutral venue. There are already 5 games a year being played overseas, with 4 in London and another in Mexico. Other International Series Games have been held in Canada. They could expand this to grow interest in the NFL in other countries too. The NFL is really popular in Germany for example. Try out different countries and focus on those that work out best and bring in the most money. The Jaguars make more money playing at Wembley than they do in Jacksonville. Neutral venues could also be in America, with the NFL using them to try out cities for potential expansion teams in the future.

For US fans it means no-one loses one (or in the Jaguars case two next season!) of their 8 home games.

For international fans it means more opportunity to enjoy live NFL games.

For the NFL it means opportunities to grow the brand and expand into new territories.

From a player perspective, the prospect of more money will mean higher salaries. Play the neutral games during the middle 8 weeks of the season (2 a week) and it will help break up the monotony of a long season.

In return for the extra game, reduce the preseason games by at least one or possibly two, start the season a week earlier and reinstate the second bye week with one coming after the neutral venue game.

This right here is what is going to happen. Excellent post.
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:11 am

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Re: CBA Negotiations Underway

Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:12 am

Don't play with my emotions.

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