I definitely agree and have pretty much already accepted he will be somewhere else... I really hope it's Arizona but it would really be interesting to see what Andy Reid could do with him in KC.Funkster wrote:I agree 100%G08 wrote:I love watching QBs like Mahomes, Rodgers, Favre, Carr, etc. Bad ass mother fucking gunslingers; Rodgers is by far the most refined that I have ever seen (meaning we can't expect those results from a Mahomes).
I'd have a blast watching him and rooting him on, but I just don't think he's the QB Pace/Fox are looking for (see: Glennon, Mike).
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everyone wants in on that hot mahomes action
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There's a lot of talk that Mahomes is going top 12.
We'll see...
We'll see...
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Take Mahomes or Watson at 3 and be done with it. Tired of seeing other teams trying to build that position through the draft other than us. I don't need Nathan Peterman in Round 2 or Kaaya in Round 3.
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FYI, I don't care if Mahomes appears like he'd be a reach at 3. If the Bears have a high grade on him and can't trade down a few spots. I wouldn't risk it. Guys like Aaron Rodgers in 2005 was thought of as a reach in the top 5 and he turned out fine. Not saying Mahomes is Rodgers, just saying if the Bears have a high mark on him - take your guy!
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Exactly... if it were my job riding on it and even if I thought I was the only guy in the league with a high grade on him, I'm taking him pretty much wherever I am... yes it would be better to be able to trade down and get more value for the pick but that's never a sure thing... all it takes is another guy to have high marks on a player who is before you and boom, your guy is gone. Hell the draft is a huge crap shoot anyway... you can never fully foresee how a guy is going to be in the locker room or if the guy is gonna blow out his knee on his first carry in the preseason... gotta just trust your gut and pick based on your board...DaSuperfan wrote:FYI, I don't care if Mahomes appears like he'd be a reach at 3. If the Bears have a high grade on him and can't trade down a few spots. I wouldn't risk it. Guys like Aaron Rodgers in 2005 was thought of as a reach in the top 5 and he turned out fine. Not saying Mahomes is Rodgers, just saying if the Bears have a high mark on him - take your guy!
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I hope we take him. He's going to be good. I'd rather him than anyone else even Garrett just because he'll have more impact in games as he has ball every down.
I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.DaSuperfan wrote:FYI, I don't care if Mahomes appears like he'd be a reach at 3. If the Bears have a high grade on him and can't trade down a few spots. I wouldn't risk it. Guys like Aaron Rodgers in 2005 was thought of as a reach in the top 5 and he turned out fine. Not saying Mahomes is Rodgers, just saying if the Bears have a high mark on him - take your guy!
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Okay wise guy, what's your plan for QB? Propose a better solution at QB.Adipost wrote:I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.DaSuperfan wrote:FYI, I don't care if Mahomes appears like he'd be a reach at 3. If the Bears have a high grade on him and can't trade down a few spots. I wouldn't risk it. Guys like Aaron Rodgers in 2005 was thought of as a reach in the top 5 and he turned out fine. Not saying Mahomes is Rodgers, just saying if the Bears have a high mark on him - take your guy!
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oh god you dont know what you're askingDaSuperfan wrote:Okay wise guy, what's your plan for QB? Propose a better solution at QB.Adipost wrote:I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.DaSuperfan wrote:FYI, I don't care if Mahomes appears like he'd be a reach at 3. If the Bears have a high grade on him and can't trade down a few spots. I wouldn't risk it. Guys like Aaron Rodgers in 2005 was thought of as a reach in the top 5 and he turned out fine. Not saying Mahomes is Rodgers, just saying if the Bears have a high mark on him - take your guy!
He had a very solid pro day. I'm sure he turned a lot of heads and rearranged more than a few boards. I think Mahomes would be the perfect QB for the bears given their current QB situation. I just can't see Pace being that high on him. I think they will go complete opposite of a Cutler type QB. Every QB Pace has been reported targeting (Glennon and Mariota) as the bears GM screams Kaaya IMO.G08 wrote:There's a lot of talk that Mahomes is going top 12.
We'll see...
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And we're all glad you aren't either or we'd have Kizer, Mixon and prob Kaaya on the team and be ensured losing for the remainder of your tenure...Adipost wrote:I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.DaSuperfan wrote:FYI, I don't care if Mahomes appears like he'd be a reach at 3. If the Bears have a high grade on him and can't trade down a few spots. I wouldn't risk it. Guys like Aaron Rodgers in 2005 was thought of as a reach in the top 5 and he turned out fine. Not saying Mahomes is Rodgers, just saying if the Bears have a high mark on him - take your guy!
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man look at that second throw where he takes the head shot. it's 50 yards and it's just an effortless flick.BamaBear09 wrote:
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First time I've fallen in love with a QB prospect. Our interior line would keep him clean enough too.
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Not at 3, but I think Kaaya is a very likely option.BamaBear09 wrote: And we're all glad you aren't either or we'd have Kizer, Mixon and prob Kaaya on the team
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Another interesting write up on Mahomes from Mark Schofield
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Snap back to reality... oh no, someone on the internet disagrees with me, guess that makes everything I thought wrong... Nah, I'm good, I'll trust what I saw on tape...Adipost wrote:Click here to snap back to reality.
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Lol just looked into this guy and you wouldn't like what he had to say about Fournette lol thinks he is pretty much LeGarrett Blount lol, didn't you say Fournette is the greatest back you have seen in years lol...Adipost wrote:Click here to snap back to reality.
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It's a funny article, the reference to "numerical representation" when he's just pulling percentages out of his arse (well I'm guessing, if he'd run the plays it'd both take ages and would likely not be a nice round number). Also mentions that he regularly got clean pockets when I understand his line was pretty poor.BamaBear09 wrote:Snap back to reality... oh no, someone on the internet disagrees with me, guess that makes everything I thought wrong... Nah, I'm good, I'll trust what I saw on tape...Adipost wrote:Click here to snap back to reality.
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Then there's the play against West Virginia that looked more like a half throw away with all the receivers covered.
I think the writer just doesn't like prospects without really clean mechanics which is fair enough but I'm not seeing a great deal else of substance in there. Sure Mahomes might not make it, being a QB is hard, but I don't see any massive red flags that mean it's a terribly low percentage chance.
I think teams like Mahomes not because of his upside but because of his ability. He needs to learn an NFL offence but he doesn't need a complete overhaul of his mechanics but rather a scheme that will compensate for the issues they create (and maximise the opportunities).
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What it shows is that Mahomes is a developmental QB needing years of work to make it in the NFL. He may become a great QB, but he's not the type of prospect that goes in the first round, let alone the #3 pick in the draft.malk wrote:It's a funny article, the reference to "numerical representation" when he's just pulling percentages out of his arse (well I'm guessing, if he'd run the plays it'd both take ages and would likely not be a nice round number). Also mentions that he regularly got clean pockets when I understand his line was pretty poor.BamaBear09 wrote:Snap back to reality... oh no, someone on the internet disagrees with me, guess that makes everything I thought wrong... Nah, I'm good, I'll trust what I saw on tape...Adipost wrote:Click here to snap back to reality.
presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/patrick-mahomes-and-the-allure-of-upside/
Then there's the play against West Virginia that looked more like a half throw away with all the receivers covered.
I think the writer just doesn't like prospects without really clean mechanics which is fair enough but I'm not seeing a great deal else of substance in there. Sure Mahomes might not make it, being a QB is hard, but I don't see any massive red flags that mean it's a terribly low percentage chance.
I think teams like Mahomes not because of his upside but because of his ability. He needs to learn an NFL offence but he doesn't need a complete overhaul of his mechanics but rather a scheme that will compensate for the issues they create (and maximise the opportunities).
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Blah blah blah... Mahomes needs all this work because some sports blogger said so.... shut it down guys, "Cian Fahey" said Mahomes needs a ton of work and won't ever draft him... zzzzzzzzzzzzz your lazy takes are making me sleepy...Adipost wrote:What it shows is that Mahomes is a developmental QB needing years of work to make it in the NFL. He may become a great QB, but he's not the type of prospect that goes in the first round, let alone the #3 pick in the draft.malk wrote:It's a funny article, the reference to "numerical representation" when he's just pulling percentages out of his arse (well I'm guessing, if he'd run the plays it'd both take ages and would likely not be a nice round number). Also mentions that he regularly got clean pockets when I understand his line was pretty poor.BamaBear09 wrote:Snap back to reality... oh no, someone on the internet disagrees with me, guess that makes everything I thought wrong... Nah, I'm good, I'll trust what I saw on tape...Adipost wrote:Click here to snap back to reality.
presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/patrick-mahomes-and-the-allure-of-upside/
Then there's the play against West Virginia that looked more like a half throw away with all the receivers covered.
I think the writer just doesn't like prospects without really clean mechanics which is fair enough but I'm not seeing a great deal else of substance in there. Sure Mahomes might not make it, being a QB is hard, but I don't see any massive red flags that mean it's a terribly low percentage chance.
I think teams like Mahomes not because of his upside but because of his ability. He needs to learn an NFL offence but he doesn't need a complete overhaul of his mechanics but rather a scheme that will compensate for the issues they create (and maximise the opportunities).
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He does need work. That's not really up for debate. That skill set though...
Its like a super model who can't walk in heels. Sure walking in heels is a requirement, but that can be worked on, as long as she has everything else going on.
Its like a super model who can't walk in heels. Sure walking in heels is a requirement, but that can be worked on, as long as she has everything else going on.
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I think it's neither. It's just due diligence.
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If this is true......
If this is true......