QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

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Bit random but I'm watching him right now. Looking pretty good too.
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This kid just does it for me... he's a 90's Jennifer Aniston :love:


Lots of work to do, but in that article you see glimpses of greatness. I'd be fine with Hoyer for a year and sit this kid for all of 2017 to work on his mechanics... that's how badly I want him to be a Chicago Bear.
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The third throw in that article is stunning. I'd absolutely love this kid with our 2nd rounder.
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The 5th throw was 29 yards on a fucking rope, just a cannon on that kid. I loved that slant through the second window as well.

This dude is my Ferrari. So much want.
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Saw this guy Saturday, and I will say this, he is built like a mack truck and is tough as nails.

He left the game after a play in which he wasn't hit. He eventually left the game awkwardly holding his left arm (non-throwing arm.) It really looked like he had broken a collarbone. He missed a couple of series while in the locker room, but did return to the game after a while. While it isn't known what happened, I'm thinking he suffered a separated shoulder. They took him into the locker room to get his pads off and pop it back into place so he could return.

He actually had to yell (but not a in pain yell) to get the attention of the medical staff before he went down. That's a mark of toughness to me. If I had separated my shoulder, I'm definitely yelling in pain.
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Yeah I watched that game, I had thought maybe it was his AC joint since he had sprained that earlier in the season. Kid played a shitty game but he's a tough, tough SOB.
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Do we really want another talented, yet erratic QB who likes to ad-lib and throw off his back foot? He's certainly exciting to watch at the collegiate level, I just don't think half the things he does translates well over to the NFL. I also don't know much about his work ethic, character and leadership - if you take the kid, you have to really make sure your scouts did your homework on the type of person he is. Will he give it his all at the next level to improve? Because he's got a lot of work to do, IMO. Or will he fall down the path of a Manziel and piss his career away?
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His father played in the major leagues for quite a while, and he grew up around a ton of professional athletes. By all accounts he's got a good head on his shoulders and a hard worker. I think the character/intangibles aspect is good.

I mean that throw at 1:10 is 50 yards into a bucket, just insane.
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Completely not talent related but I love that weird little hitch he did before the first TD, half hearted pump fake or just warming up his arm for the bomb?!

Also, his interception percentage is only 1.7% despite his defence being awful (550 total yards, 240 rushing!) and teams knowing that he's coming out throwing. Pretty low sack % too which I think is more down to his mobility than a great line. Reads and progressions will be key for him in a pro offence and I can't evaluate that. But give him a good running game and play action...

I'm getting ahead of myself.
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He's got a very weird stride/plant. I don't know that I've ever seen a front knee bend like that on a QB good enough to hold my attention. Almost...baseball-like, go figure. Most QBs use their front foot as a sort of pivot, which helps with their accuracy; Mahomes is plenty accurate with completely different mechanics.

Which probably helps him maintain accuracy when rolling out or buying time, but is probably a big part of his deep-ball problems. He's my favorite QB this year, provided we take him at the end of the first (thanks, thunder, for pointing out the wisdom of that tack), but I really hope his next QB coach works with him on some dedicated deep-ball mechanics, and doesn't try to fix what ain't broke.
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Now I see this thread...sign me up on the Mahomes Express straight outta Soldier Field Station!
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Atkins&Rebel wrote:Now I see this thread...sign me up on the Mahomes Express straight outta Soldier Field Station!
Welcome aboard!

Truthfully I don't think he will be Pace's guy, but Bruce Arians will draft him in round 2 and the kid will be a fucking monster.
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G08 wrote:This is a very, very early "MY GUY!" from me :arrow: it's telling of how poorly I'm expecting this season to go :(

That being said, here's some very quick thoughts of mine on the kid:

I'm simply enamored by his athleticism, arm strength, size, and really his character: people have raved about it. His father played professional baseball and the kid spent a lot of his youth around professional athletes and it seems like it has rubbed off on him.

6'3" 230 lbs and he has a RIFLE for an arm (no joke, he can throw it 65 yards from his knees). He's this odd mix of Favre/Manziel/Rodgers when you look at his elite traits, but he still needs at least one year on the bench refining his mechanics (I don't like where he holds the ball nor how he stands in the pocket, needs to clean up his footwork as well) but the talent is there. He'll make some throws that will leave your jaw on the floor (across his body, but accurate and with zip) and other 'simple' throws that he will flat-out miss (read: mechanics).

I'm sure he'll move up the boards as the season progresses (of course, assuming his shoulder is healthy) but I'd gladly spend a 2nd or 3rd on the kid if he finishes out this season as I am expecting. He's not Russell Wilson, he's not Johnny Manziel, he's somewhere in the middle with a better arm than either.

Keep an eye on this kid... just turned 21 and is currently a Junior.
Interesting. The very first throw he makes in that highlight reel was an absolute gem that got my attention. I agree with your assessment though. He does seem rather Favre-like to me. His size and arm jump out at you.

But he's not a guy you want to start right away. He has several mechanical flaws that need straightened out. But he's smart if you watch some of the small stuff he does.

Somebody will use a #1 on him.
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Does it bother anyone that QB's in the Texas Tech system generally don't translate too well in the pros? Don't know if it's mentioned in the thread (I imagine it has).

Not saying Mahomes will flop, but something about that system irks me a little bit.
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Right now it's also too early to say he'll be available in R2. If he's as good as some think, he might go a lot earlier than people anticipate. After the combine and all of the individual workouts, desperate teams on draft day always over draft QB's. it the nature of the business. Heck, Bears will probably be one of them. I'd love a trade down in the first and grab the QB that Pace covets. I just don't want them to force the need too much.
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DaSuperfan wrote:Does it bother anyone that QB's in the Texas Tech system generally don't translate too well in the pros? Don't know if it's mentioned in the thread (I imagine it has).

Not saying Mahomes will flop, but something about that system irks me a little bit.
It's a concern but this dude has a tremendous arm and is highly athletic for the position. The only worry would be adjusting to a Pro System and hammering down his mechanics (both throwing and lower body). He's Colin Kaepernick with better touch, IMO.
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He's put up the the best numbers a Texas Tech since... Graham Harrell... so there's that.
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alexwilkins wrote:He's put up the the best numbers a Texas Tech since... Graham Harrell... so there's that.
Two entirely different players, though.

Remove the system if you can, focus on the traits.
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I'd like his TD percentage to be better but I'm guessing that it might be depressed a little down to his own rushing TDs?
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Some of Mahomes highlights get me pretty excited. I like how dynamic he can be with his feet and making plays where none are available.

Other highlights give me flashes of Henry Burris, and worrying if he's going to be able to hang w/ NFL quality secondaries.
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I don't see a lot else for his offence either. Giles had a breakout year at receiver but the running game was unspectacular (how much of that is down to the offence I don't know). Then his production this year has come whilst battling shoulder and wrist injuries.

Behind our line with little pressure coming up the middle, Howard commanding defensive respect and Jeffery (if he stays) being a great outlet for jump balls...

Well I'd take him with our second or even trade back to the bottom of the first.
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No way he starts week 1. He'll need a whole year of therapy and treatment because it seems like he was running for his life every single snap.
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Atkins&Rebel wrote:Now I see this thread...sign me up on the Mahomes Express straight outta Soldier Field Station!
The more tape I see of him and the others, the more I like him, which seems weird because he's so flawed and unconventional. But sometimes Rodgers and others throw balls with weird arm angles and get away with it. Mechanical flaws can be tweaked. The kid is smart on the field and that counts a lot with me.

I could embrace the idea of trading down (or up) into the 20's and taking him. But he still needs to sit for maybe a year to work on his flaws.
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Mikefive wrote:
Atkins&Rebel wrote:Now I see this thread...sign me up on the Mahomes Express straight outta Soldier Field Station!
The more tape I see of him and the others, the more I like him, which seems weird because he's so flawed and unconventional. But sometimes Rodgers and others throw balls with weird arm angles and get away with it. Mechanical flaws can be tweaked. The kid is smart on the field and that counts a lot with me.

I could embrace the idea of trading down (or up) into the 20's and taking him. But he still needs to sit for maybe a year to work on his flaws.
Oh definitely. And with a group of stop gaps available, Mahomes wouldn't have to start unless the injury plague hits again. But we should be able to get a premier player at #3, then if necessary trade up into the 2nd to get Mahomes...(I have no idea how his combine eval will go) or by conventional wisdom take him with our 3rd overall pick.
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This is what I fear about Mahomes. That first throw is not even remotely something a professional NFL quarterback should do.

Ever.

That's like, "get your ass out of the league" quality throw.

Second one was great.

This team can't have that kind of 50/50 behind center. I like Mahomes, but you can't crown the kid with that kind of shoddy gambling.
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UOK wrote:

This is what I fear about Mahomes. That first throw is not even remotely something a professional NFL quarterback should do.

Ever.

That's like, "get your ass out of the league" quality throw.

Second one was great.

This team can't have that kind of 50/50 behind center. I like Mahomes, but you can't crown the kid with that kind of shoddy gambling.
Jay Cutler syndrome man... it's intoxicating when it works, maddening when it doesn't.

Mahomes has it, Allen has it... question is can you harness it.
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