QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

[UOK]

Mahomes has it, Allen has it... question is can you harness it.

Is the team that has to do the harnessing the Bears?

Then the answer is no.

[Atkins&Rebel]

the key to any QB is keeping them out of those 3 and longs. If Howard gets 5 yards on 1st down, that sets up anyone we have under center for a variety of options on second down.

[Mikefive]

Does Mahomes have habits that will need to change in the NFL? Sure. The question is... Is he smart enough to make those adjustments? From what I see of the game tape, Mahomes is an intelligent player. So I'm going with yes on that.

[Adipost]

Mahomes is the second coming of Jay Cutler. He will be a turnover machine in the NFL. He even has the same basic flaws as cutler such as throwing off his back foot. If the Bears couldn't fix Cutler after all these years, why would anyone think they will fix Mahomes.

[malk]

Did we even try to fix Cutler?

[UOK]

Did we even try to fix Cutler?

If you look at Pace's words from the press conference where essentially not throwing interceptions needs to be the utmost top priority from their quarterback, you can basically deduce what they've decided to do with Cutler.

[malk]

Did we even try to fix Cutler?

If you look at Pace's words from the press conference where essentially not throwing interceptions needs to be the utmost top priority from their quarterback, you can basically deduce what they've decided to do with Cutler.

Oh I'm with you, I just don't think we ever really tried to fix Cutler. You don't do that by keep throwing different OCs and systems at him every couple of years.

I don't mean for this to get into a Cutler thread again, all I mean is that not grooming a QB in the past doesn't mean we can't do so now.

That said, Fox is still the HC so maybe I'm talking bollocks.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Just read: The NFL Draft Advisory Committee gave Mahomes a Round 1-2 grade. Also I just saw Mahomes mocked to the Texans in round 1. Not overwhelming "evidence" of the kid being valued higher than what many here feel he's worth, but Mahomes' value might surprise many of you guys.

[Adipost]

Mahomes has elite first round arm talent. The problem is that his arm has let him get away with very poor mechanics that will destroy him in the NFL. The key for him is to be drafted by a team that can actually develop a QB.

[Rusty Trombagent]

Did we even try to fix Cutler?

If you look at Pace's words from the press conference where essentially not throwing interceptions needs to be the utmost top priority from their quarterback, you can basically deduce what they've decided to do with Cutler.

Oh I'm with you, I just don't think we ever really tried to fix Cutler. You don't do that by keep throwing different OCs and systems at him every couple of years.

I don't mean for this to get into a Cutler thread again, all I mean is that not grooming a QB in the past doesn't mean we can't do so now.

That said, Fox is still the HC so maybe I'm talking bollocks.

here's a theory: maybe we take mahomes because we're trapped in a christmas movie, and obv we fucked up big time with cutler... we got a promising young kid and we tasked helping him on his journey to elite nfl qb to ron turner and mike tice and j'marcus webb. we fucked up, and the universe is like, ok, you got one more shot.

before the draft, pace will be visted by three spirits.

[malk]

Vodka, tequila and gin?

[G08]

Vodka, tequila and gin?

Well played

[Rusty Trombagent]

[RING4CHI]

Does it bother anyone that QB's in the Texas Tech system generally don't translate too well in the pros? Don't know if it's mentioned in the thread (I imagine it has).

Not saying Mahomes will flop, but something about that system irks me a little bit.

10 years ago my answer to that question would be yes. Tech at the time was one of a handful of college offenses running the spread, and they were the best at it. Now it's what college offense isn't running the spread these days? Any quarterback coming out has to make just about as much in offense adjustments as any of his counterparts.

[malk]

Does it bother anyone that QB's in the Texas Tech system generally don't translate too well in the pros? Don't know if it's mentioned in the thread (I imagine it has).

Not saying Mahomes will flop, but something about that system irks me a little bit.

10 years ago my answer to that question would be yes. Tech at the time was one of a handful of college offenses running the spread, and they were the best at it. Now it's what college offense isn't running the spread these days? Any quarterback coming out has to make just about as much in offense adjustments as any of his counterparts.

My knowledge of college football isn't great but that sounds like a really good point.

[Boris13c]

before the draft, pace will be visted by three spirits.

Vodka, tequila and gin?

[malk]

Still the only QB that I want. Take him with the 2nd please.

[Hematite]

I'd take Mahomnes in the 2nd over Watson in the 1st any day of the week. Ideally, Keep Cutler, trade back and take Mahommes in the 2nd. Use the trade back and extra picks for defensive help. Sit Mahommes until Cutler gets hurt.

[malk]

Mahomes would need longer to sit than that, at least a full season.

[BamaBear09]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders. Watched his tape against Arizona State and he made some good throws on the move in that game. I want to see basically his worst game of the season, versus Iowa State, he threw two picks in that game.

Here's what I have seen so far, moves around the pocket well and always attempts to get body square before throwing. Doesn't have a long wind up to throw, once he makes his decision on where to go with it, it comes out quick. May need work on mechanics but looks to have a pretty strong arm, and was fairly accurate while not having his feet completely set. With the "tape" we get to see, we don't have all the angles and complete breakdown so based on what I could see his decision making seems to be solid, he looks to be going through a progression and deciding on where to go with the ball. And twice I saw him switch hands and toss the ball out of bounds to prevent taking a sack. Seems to have savvy and keeps his head even when under pressure.

[Mikefive]

Mahomes would need longer to sit than that, at least a full season.

You and I seem to be on the same page with Mahomes in all of your comments.

Mahomes plays really SMART and doesn't do dumb stuff very often. Sometimes he makes dumb plays (like throwing back over the middle late) and they work out anyway. Yes, he has mechanical issues for sure and he'll be best served by sitting for a year. But he has a really strong, accurate arm, throws well on the run and most importantly, he thinks well on his feet. You can't coach most of that. But mechanics can be fixed.

[Boris13c]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders.

he had 88 pass attempts in 1 game?

damn .... so what were his final stats?

[Atkins&Rebel]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders.

he had 88 pass attempts in 1 game?

damn .... so what were his final stats?

Here's Mahomes' career stats:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... mes-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BamaBear09]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders.

he had 88 pass attempts in 1 game?

damn .... so what were his final stats?

Against Oklahoma, he finished 52 of 88, 731 yards, 5 tds to 1 int and 12 carried for 85 yards and 2 tds

I'm still waiting to see the Iowa State game video to hit youtube.

[Boris13c]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders.

he had 88 pass attempts in 1 game?

damn .... so what were his final stats?

Here's Mahomes' career stats:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... mes-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thanks for the link

his passing line in that Oklahoma game is surreal : 52 completions on 88 attempts, 734 yards, 5 TD's. 1 int

not sure how they are calculating QBR as it lists him having some games in 2016 in the 180's, 190's and over 200 ... I thought the max QBR was 158?

here's his 2016 game logs link - http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... elog/2016/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BamaBear09]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders.

he had 88 pass attempts in 1 game?

damn .... so what were his final stats?

Here's Mahomes' career stats:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... mes-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thanks for the link

his passing line in that Oklahoma game is surreal : 52 completions on 88 attempts, 734 yards, 5 TD's. 1 int

not sure how they are calculating QBR as it lists him having some games in 2016 in the 180's, 190's and over 200 ... I thought the max QBR was 158?

here's his 2016 game logs link - http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... elog/2016/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I believe they still use the old QB rating system on that site.

[bearsfaninaz]

After watching breakdown of his tape i say we go best cb or s at 3 grab him in 2nd. I think he can be real good as long as we stick with one system to learn.

[Atkins&Rebel]

He seems to have good placement on his deep throws, and watching him against Oklahoma (he threw it 88 times this game), he set his feet and ripped a couple of throws between defenders.

he had 88 pass attempts in 1 game?

damn .... so what were his final stats?

Here's Mahomes' career stats:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... mes-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thanks for the link

his passing line in that Oklahoma game is surreal : 52 completions on 88 attempts, 734 yards, 5 TD's. 1 int

not sure how they are calculating QBR as it lists him having some games in 2016 in the 180's, 190's and over 200 ... I thought the max QBR was 158?

here's his 2016 game logs link - http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... elog/2016/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They have their own formula for passer efficiency rate...hover over the rate at the top and it'll give you their formula

[wab]

If the Bears don't take Watson or Trubisky in R1, the only other QB I'd be ok with is Mahomes in R2.

I don't want anything to do with Kaaya or Kizer. And I don't think the Bears can afford to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to take someone like Nathan Peterman or Jerod Evans. (Although I like Evans a lot.)

[G08]

If the Bears don't take Watson or Trubisky in R1, the only other QB I'd be ok with is Mahomes in R2.

I don't want anything to do with Kaaya or Kizer. And I don't think the Bears can afford to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to take someone like Nathan Peterman or Jerod Evans. (Although I like Evans a lot.)

I'm on board with this line of thinking.

What do you like better:

A) Jonathan Allen / Patrick Mahomes II

B) Deshaun Watson / Desmond King